Tax cuts across the board = bad...

[SmilezRoyale]

Because....

Finish my sentence. I could imagine that reduced revenue would make creating a deficite easy. But i want to know why tax cuts across the board:

- raise oil prices
- cause international economic mass hysteria
- Make the poor poorer
- Make the rich richer
- Reduce jobs [I'm serious]
- create crime
- bring about the white riders of nazgul. [You can ignore that one]

Are liberals afraid that money given back to the lower class can't be spent wisely by them so any hope of them being able to invest [Which isn't restricted to the stock market, investment is a broad term] is none existant.

[K-RadPie]

Well, white riders of nazgul are sexually attracted to low taxes, therefore bringing them into America, where they kill and steal from the poor, give to the rich, and take everyone else's jobs. It's that simple.

[Elfer]

At 8/3/07 07:19 AM, SmilezRoyale wrote: Are liberals afraid that money given back to the lower class can't be spent wisely by them so any hope of them being able to invest [Which isn't restricted to the stock market, investment is a broad term] is none existant.

It's hard to invest the $17 or whatever chump change those sorts of tax cuts bring to the lower class.

[tony4moroney]

At 8/3/07 07:19 AM, SmilezRoyale wrote: Because....

Finish my sentence. I could imagine that reduced revenue would make creating a deficite easy. But i want to know why tax cuts across the board:

- raise oil prices
- cause international economic mass hysteria
- Make the poor poorer
- Make the rich richer
- Reduce jobs [I'm serious]
- create crime

Given that these tax cuts that have been introduced for the past 7 years have only served to benefit the upper-class and have become such a severe endemic problem statisticians are comparing the disproportionate wealth-share to the depression era. I can understand why it causes these dilemmas.

- bring about the white riders of nazgul. [You can ignore that one]

Yes Republicans are serving the interests of the eye of Sauron, if Sauron was corporate interests.

Are liberals afraid that money given back to the lower class can't be spent wisely by them so any hope of them being able to invest [Which isn't restricted to the stock market, investment is a broad term] is none existant.

I'm sorry what? Uhh no we're not worried about that we're more concerned about the fact that Bush can't handle the economy at all. You can't rack up enormous debts, blow your budget forecasts and then propose tax cuts and expect no repercussions.

You know what's hapening?
The Federal Reserve Printers are running out of ink.
The dollar value is worth almost as much as the CAD now, which we know is < dirt.

Whilst Clinton's administration worked a surplus Bush's administration has managed to negate that and welcome more compounding debt weighing on our future shoulders.

Oh yeah Elfer's comment was spot on, I don't think you can do much with that $20 tax cut which given the drastically depreciating dollar value by the end of the year itd equate to 20 pesos.

[GaiusIuliusTaberna]

I hate to break it to you guys but the rich people you are talking about are the ones handing out jobs. Giving money to the poor dose nothing to benefit the economy. I myself am middle class and as much as I resent scull N bones elitists republican stereotype's I recognize that me having more money doesn't help every one because I can't hand out jobs, (At least not yet). People just need to focus on the essential to avoid getting into debt. Buying a plasma screen and a PS3 might be awesome but if you get by on minimum wage you shouldn't even be thinking about it. Do what I did take that money and put it in a high yield savings account or better yet invest it.

Also president Clinton had nothing to do with the economic boom in the 90's that credid should go to bill gates for coming up with or at least using the internet. Why liberals must give Clinton credit for being lucky is beyond me. That's like blaming Bush for Hurricanes, Oh wait you did that too.

[tony4moroney]

At 8/3/07 11:55 AM, GaiusIuliusTaberna wrote: I hate to break it to you guys but the rich people you are talking about are the ones handing out jobs. Giving money to the poor dose nothing to benefit the economy.
No I'm talking about the growing income disparity between the elite and middle-class that's been expanding to depression era proportions.

Ever hear that lyric 'give a dog a bone' well that's what we're being treated to here, they're acquiring an extreme amount of wealth at a growth rate that's rapidly outpacing our economy growth rate. They receive alot of tax breaks whilst we receive minimal tax cuts, our incomes and wealth are growing a lot more slower then their's

i.e we're getting poorer and the rich are getting richer.

Also president Clinton had nothing to do with the economic boom in the 90's that credid should go to bill gates for coming up with or at least using the internet. Why liberals must give Clinton credit for being lucky is beyond me. That's like blaming Bush for Hurricanes, Oh wait you did that too.

I don't even think the internet was worth $137B back in the 90s

[GaiusIuliusTaberna]

The poor don't get poorer you make it sound like people are taking there money.
And of cores the rich are going to get richer. People who became rich know how to increase there wealth so obviously they aren't going to stop. But if business pay les tax they can one increase wages 2 expand there business which generates more jobs and 3 offer better benefits. I personally believe that if you work hard any one can become rich and if you're lazy and stupid you will most likely end up homeless. I will even go so far as to sat that most (not all) people barring incredible misfortune are homeless because of stupid mistakes they made like not finishing school using drugs having unprotected sex at a very young age. Why should we give people a bone who can only blame themselves for there station in life ever here the old saying you made your bed now sleep in it.
Also don't underestimate the fanatical impact of the internet it affected every aspect of life you really think about. Hell if not for that we wouldn't be having this debate in the first place. However Bill Clinton had nothing to do with it so you can't give him credit.

[Elfer]

He doesn't just mean that people are continuing to make money, he means that the gap between the rich and poor is increasing, and the middle class is disappearing.

[GaiusIuliusTaberna]

At 8/3/07 03:45 PM, Elfer wrote: He doesn't just mean that people are continuing to make money, he means that the gap between the rich and poor is increasing, and the middle class is disappearing.

Then what am I? I'm not poor and I'm not rich (yet).

[Elfer]

At 8/3/07 03:52 PM, GaiusIuliusTaberna wrote:

At 8/3/07 03:45 PM, Elfer wrote: He doesn't just mean that people are continuing to make money, he means that the gap between the rich and poor is increasing, and the middle class is disappearing.

Then what am I? I'm not poor and I'm not rich (yet).

I said it's disappearing, as in it's growing smaller. I didn't say that it was gone.

[BeFell]

Most experts agree that the Bush tax cuts made the 2001 recession one the most mild in history.

As far as job creation, let's look at the spikes in the 1980s then again in the early 2000s and ponder. http://www.bls.gov/web/cpseea1.pdf

I know you guys like to make stuff up to make it seem like your point of view is the correct one but contradicting well known fact just makes you look kind of silly.

[GaiusIuliusTaberna]

At 8/3/07 03:55 PM, Elfer wrote:

At 8/3/07 03:52 PM, GaiusIuliusTaberna wrote:

At 8/3/07 03:45 PM, Elfer wrote: He doesn't just mean that people are continuing to make money, he means that the gap between the rich and poor is increasing, and the middle class is disappearing.

Then what am I? I'm not poor and I'm not rich (yet).

I said it's disappearing, as in it's growing smaller. I didn't say that it was gone.

So by your logic in about twenty years assuming nothing changes I'll either be poor or rich no offence But I don't think it's possible for the middle class to disappear simply by virtue of the fact that a place holder is needed between rich and poor. The rich are going to get richer regardless and homeless people with no money can't get any poorer as there ate rock bottom and trash and cardboard boxes are free. So in other words there are limits to this.

[SmilezRoyale]

When you say that the middle class is disapearing.... how does is disapear?

lets say a group of people are of the middle class. --> They're taxes decrease.

Now since it's irrefutable fact that tax reductions [Across the board] kill the middle class... We have to asume that the 'middle class' [Notice how in our care for equality and pluralism, as well as lacking of steriotypes; use terms like upper lower and middle class] is either gaining money or losing money.

Tax cuts causing the loss of money? possible... but not likely. obviously, leave this option open. If somone wants to read onto it then please do so. Unless increase in revenue results in excessive spending of the middle class which puts them in a state of poverty; and in which case i hope the left doesn't think americans are that stupid.

Tax cuts causing an increase in money? it makes sense initially; but once again i'll leave the option open for a leftist intellectual to enlighten me on how this is false, short term or long term either way.

My own theory is that you have people in the middle class making enough money to start making even more money. [Yes, it happens, ever played a game where a 'level 1' can only produce so many game currency, where as a level 10 can make more, and a level 20 can make even more and so on so forth. ] And thus, you have the 'middle class' going upper class.

or just simply, the left's idea of the middle class is a group of people who have upper class gross revenue, and are taxed enough so that they're brought to a middle class revenue. If so... that's highly ironic, considering that's how peasants were kept in the peasantry; high taxes.

[Elfer]

Simple: The middle class loses the same amount of public services that get cut due to reduced tax revenue, which they have to pick up the tab for themselves, but they don't get the same amount of money back as the upper classes do.

See how that goes?

Also, tax cuts aren't the sole reason for the increasing income gap, it's just exacerbating the situation.

[SmilezRoyale]

At 8/3/07 05:28 PM, Elfer wrote: Simple: The middle class loses the same amount of public services that get cut due to reduced tax revenue, which they have to pick up the tab for themselves, but they don't get the same amount of money back as the upper classes do.

Why is independence a bad thing? are people really that stupid?

[GaiusIuliusTaberna]

Absolutely 100% correct! That's an excellent point.
Universal tax breaks mean more money for every one upper, middle, and lower class. I fail to see a problem.

[SmilezRoyale]

Also... with picking up the tab for themselfs...

For emergencies there's something called insurance. Is the fear that the insurance companies are corrupt a reason to insist that people use 'trustworthy' government assistance instead of creating buisness opportunities which do the same thing?

Since when... did a leftist think that the government was trusted with anything:

"Question all authority"
"The government cannot be trusted, we must fight for our freedoms"

is there an exception to this rule?

despite it's incredible costs on US citizens basic government assistance should exist as an auxillary for those who need it. [Ei the poor and unfortunate who have no means absolutely what so ever to acheive the sucess that the various other americans have done because they are being 'held down' by an evil force called 'The upper class'] But anyone who can afford to save they're own butt with they're own money and proper investment shouldn't be forced to accept a cheap government providing while paying the same price.

I've read about the 14th century and how social mobility was purposely facilitated to be impossible and defiance of such was a sin. But the idea of increasing individual revenue for commercial profit was foreign to the supersticious boobs of the middle ages. The world is NOT divived into revolutionaries and noble gentry.

[animehater]

At 8/3/07 05:44 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: is there an exception to this rule?

Yes, when they're the ones in charge.

[Elfer]

At 8/3/07 05:44 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: "Question all authority"
"The government cannot be trusted, we must fight for our freedoms"

is there an exception to this rule?

No, that's why we gots to keep an eye on them when they're doing what we tell them to.

The basic idea is that the government should be there to work for the people, not the other way around.

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

It certainly does make the rich richer, but considering that theres no finite amount of cash, I have no clue how they are supposed to make the poor poorer.

Conclusive studies made by Air America HAVE, however, proven that Tax Returns will undoubtedly cause Mannoroth The Destroyer to lead the Orcish Horde on a deadly campaign of Blood-lust throughout the plains of Azeroth, A.K.A Southern Dakota.

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

At 8/3/07 05:33 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote:

Why is independence a bad thing? are people really that stupid?

Of course. So feel free to cease using all forms of Electricity, and start using a well for all your water needs.

[SmilezRoyale]

At 8/4/07 07:21 AM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote:

At 8/3/07 05:33 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote:

Why is independence a bad thing? are people really that stupid?

Of course. So feel free to cease using all forms of Electricity, and start using a well for all your water needs.

The government has been providing Water and electricity for people for as long as there has been water and electricity; it's become a necessity.

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

At 8/4/07 09:16 AM, SmilezRoyale wrote:

The government has been providing Water and electricity for people for as long as there has been water and electricity; it's become a necessity.

So when it comes to the thing that allows you to power up your T.V and Video games, the thing that is COMPLETELY un-related to your ability to survive, it's "ZOMG, THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD GIVE IT TO US!!", yet when it comes to Healthcare, Welfare, OSHA, and After School programs that keep kids off the streets, it's "Pffffffffffft, fend for yourself".