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At 8/3/07 02:56 PM, GaiusIuliusTaberna wrote: At 8/3/07 02:53 PM,
The conmen sense is that having sex with a dog even if the dam thing could speak and give consent for free is still screwed up. That has nothing to do with anything stay on topic!

Way to compare your fellow human beings to dogs, and there was nothing wrong with my argument. let me put it in a simple little story why prostitution should be legal.

If I were to say to you rake all the leaves in my yard, you would most likely say No, go to hell, something along those lines
And If I were to ask you to suck my dick, you would most likely say No, go to hell, something along those lines, but
If I said you you rake the leaves for 30$ and you agree than all is well we both get something we needed and capitalism keeps rolling along. But if the same happens with the hummer than, Oh MY GOD STOP THE PRESSES capitalism solved another problem for an ugly desperate lonly man.

At 8/2/07 10:22 PM, Me-Patch wrote: Prostitution, gambling, and drugs aren't necesseraly illegal because of ancient jewish laws.

After all drugs caused major problems in cities.

At 8/7/07 07:37 PM, Joe67 wrote:

At 8/2/07 10:22 PM, Me-Patch wrote: Prostitution, gambling, and drugs aren't necesseraly illegal because of ancient jewish laws.

After all drugs caused major problems in cities.

Actually it was people that caused all the problems in the cities. When you criminalize people for doing what they chose with thier money freedom is curbed. Besides who has ever been hurt by someone smoking a joint in his basement, having sex with a woman whose been to a doctor or laying down money on a dice game? I can garentee you it is far fewer than those hurt by alcohol or tobbaco.

At 8/5/07 02:02 AM, Dr-Worm wrote:

At 8/2/07 10:29 PM, HighlyIllogical wrote:

Although legalizing and regulating could clean up those industries a little, it would give off the idea that things like gambling and drugs aren't bad. So I'm not sure if legalization of those things throughout the entire country would be the best idea. You want vice? That's what Vegas is for. So people can still do these things, but contained.

What if you can't afford Vegas? What if all you want after a hard day of work is a resonably priced peace of ass, smoke a joint and go to sleep. What's wrong with that? Are you saying that only wealthy people should have access to these thing because they can afford the flight and hotel room?

At 8/7/07 03:14 PM, Darkside-void wrote:

Or we could just reach a relative consensus on the fetus issue and move past it. What are your values/beliefs about when it becomes human? I'd be interested in knowing what you think of it.

I think that once the fetus forms, the potential for human life begins. Once you kill said fetus the potential disappears and you kill a human life.

If we need abortions so badly why not try and explain to the world that Fetus's are inorganic? nonliving? non feeling or something to that effect.

First off, sorry about the mega-bump, but I have to defend myself.

Second, I fixed the previous post, so am I allowed to do this bump?

At 8/7/07 12:45 PM, GaiusIuliusTaberna wrote:

At 8/5/07 10:52 PM, TheThing wrote

"But the problem is that any person can roam the streets and ask for money in exchange for sex. Having the government giving them a card is pointless; it costs us tax money to track down every hooker and print out a card for them. Also, what you're suggesting is that when the card runs out and they're caught with it, is when they should be tested for diseases; it should be monthly test."

Well when they made alcohol legal crime didn't touch it. Why any one can make a bottle of boozes in there basement and sell it on the street. I'll tell you why when you're given the choice between some shady guy with a bottle of bathtub gin and a legit store with good booze which do you think people would choose?

But if they would like it cheaper because of the lack of taxes and standard prices, they would go with the illegal stuff. And think of all the people complaining of the morality of brothels. There would be riots in the street.

Like wise the prostitute with proof she's clean will succeed where the questionable one will not. The revenue from taxes will be more than enough to deal with illegitimate hookers and then some. On top of that the hooker would pay for her own monthly check up just like you buy a new drivers license every year.

But then who would become a legal hooker? If I had to pay for a monthly check-up (costing me thousands of dollars), I'd go illegal. The brothel hooker would have to build in the check-up and taxes into her prices, while the illegal hooker, who we assume is just as good, will be half the cost, if not more.

"Also, I have no clue what you're talking about with the mob bosses."

Mob bosses, crime?! Have you ever heard of a pimp, drug lord, or casino skimer?

Yeah. And like I said, I'd rather become an illegal hooker than a legal one, which means pimps will still have a job. Think of it like fighting; yeah, there's UFC, but there's still a lucrative career is Fight Club-style underground fights.

"What I said was I was refuting what I could understand. The way you set up your sentences made it, as a reader, hard to understand. You rarely used commas, and had a lot of run-on sentences. And I'm not even going to address the sentence before that."

If you can argue with me, you can obviously understand me, so give it a rest. So my grammar sucks I'm a scientist /historian/ politician not a writer and I am at least trying. I you disagree, disagree. Don't criticize my grammar in place of a legitimate argument this topic isn't about English.

If you call yourself a scientist /historian/ politician, then you should be able to write like one. Have you ever see a medical/science journal? They all have perfect grammar and use complete sentences. All because they want to be taken seriously. No ones going to believe some one's new theory if their thesis is written like this "w3 evovld fr0m aothre r4c3 thy r aliens"

At 8/2/07 10:00 PM, GaiusIuliusTaberna wrote:

Prostitution: it's illegal and taboo, why? In the ancient world civilizations practiced legally as a taxable business a sign of hospitality and even as a form of worship fertility cults around the world practiced ritual prostitution Greece Rome Persia and Mesopotamia all did. The fact is by making it illegal we fund pimps, by not regulating it we spread STD's, and by not tolerating it we publicly ostracize people who despite being good citizens in most respects for personal reasons use prostitutes and are unlucky enough to get caught.

In a democracy, laws are made by people, not governments. Most people do not like prostitution due to religion, therefore, our leaders make it illegal. By the way, you have a point. Vegas has a very good regulatory system.

Gambling: some state's have legalized it like Nevada and as a result there economy is ridiculously high wile others allow Indians to open casinos at the cost of tax money. There rational is that people with gambling problems would be hurt if it were legal. Foolish the fact is if people want to gamble they will. We can't stop them. If it's not legalized tax and restricted, how can we regulate it? Its better to have the state and legitimate business profit than to have criminal organizations and quasi nation groups like native American tribes (and I say this because these Indian casino's aren't regulated we don't know where the money goes dose it really go to the tribe or to non Indian shareholders and crooks I'm not saying there all corrupt but I imagine that quite a few of them are but I digress from my point)

The legalize drugs people use the same argument. If they want to, they will.

Drugs: history has proven that prohibition doesn't work we tried it during the twenties and all it did was take the multi-billion dollar industry of alcohol and give it to Al Capone. Now we are doing the same thing. I always say it till I'm blue in the face learn from history. This was 80 years ago 1920AD history started around 3,000 BC (the time in which Egyptians began to write down written language on papyrus) this is pretty resent yet we already have forgotten the lesson. Tax and regulate it then you could take the tax money and use it to educate people to not use drugs. That way if there stubborn or foolish enough to still take them, they won't be poisoned with embalming fluid, battery acid, and the other ungodly things cartels mix with drugs to make them cheaper.

Have you ever read Go Ask Alice? It's a book. Google it.

Also holding back scientific or medical progress for religious reasons is barbaric ignorance that belonged in the dark ages. What ever god or god's you believe in I'm sure he/they don't mind you saving lives and making the world a better place. And if you're an atheist then you really don't have any reason to complain.

I am an athiest, and I realize that prostitution is a religious taboo. I also recognize that drugs and gambling are too dangerous to be left legal.