Brown says world owes US a debt

[Cheekyvincent]

lol the picture of them is funny...
"The world owes a debt to the United States for its leadership in the fight against international terrorism, Prime Minister Gordon Brown has said."

Well, what has the US done good to the world...
hmm...
- bombed iraq and Afghanistan and killed tonnes of civillians
- Help Israel with their massacre of the innocent Palestines
- Claimed credit for themselves for WW2
- opened Guantamino bay
- Secretly transported prisoners to torture camps...
how is this good? the US government is a terrorist government itsef. how is it helpful?

Discuss

[Syzyde]

Hey, tell that to all the overly-patriotic fat overweight mcdonald loving spoiled co2 pumping ignorents who say they're number 1.

I say Ireland should be numeral uno, seriously, their music is pretty damn good.

[cellardoor6]

At 7/30/07 06:57 AM, Cheekyvincent wrote: lol the picture of them is funny...
"The world owes a debt to the United States for its leadership in the fight against international terrorism, Prime Minister Gordon Brown has said."

Sounds about right. Even though many other countries have been attacked by terrorists, the US is the only country actually putting its full effort into stopping terrorism, all while countries benefit from it, yet have the cowardice and lack of integrity to criticize the US for it at the same time. If they had honesty, they'd thank the US.

But unfortunately, anti-Americanism is a mental disorder. The inferiority complex and the sheer ignorance of the facts causes people to ignore what is actually happening.

Well, what has the US done good to the world...
hmm...
- bombed iraq and Afghanistan and killed tonnes of civillians

Created a democracy in 2 countries where democracy never before existed, and in the process actually kept civilian casualties way lower than any other military endeavor of such a large magnitude.

- Help Israel with their massacre of the innocent Palestines

Assisted Israel, a democracy, against the blood thirsty Palestinians who are ACTUALLY the ones intentionally massacring innocent people. Helping Israel fight Palestinian terrorists who are guided by the same ideology adhered to by terrorists who attacked the US on 9/11, attacked the UK, attacked Spain, attacked several other countries in deliberate attacks killing innocents for the sole purpose of causing terror.

- Claimed credit for themselves for WW2

Yeah, because the US was the largest single contributor to allied victory in WWII. The US was the only country to fight in every theatre of war. The US was the only country to supply all the allies with things that had the US not provided it to them, they would have lost way before the US entered with troops. The US did the most overall. The war was being lost before the US entered the war, adn when the US entered the war, the US did the most tactically. The US single handedly defeated the Japanese, all while providing almost all of the war material used by the British and Russians who in turn, couldn't even fight Germany without the US leading the campaign in Europe as well.

- opened Guantamino bay

A legitimate military detention center in which mindless imbeciles created conspiracy theories about, and take it as a fact that it's some evil place, even though there is no proof of what they claim. See this is an example of the mental disorder that is anti-Americanism. You're so used to hearing things a certain way as a negative of the US, that you claim it as fact and use it as fact even though it's just opinions and theory.

You say "opened Guantanamo bay" as if this in and of itself can mean something else, even though it doesn't.

- Secretly transported prisoners to torture camps...

With the aid of several countries who were fully aware of it.

how is this good? the US government is a terrorist government itsef. how is it helpful?

Haha you're so fucking retarded.

Let's see what the US has done.

- Protected, and continues to protect several countries who are reliant on the US for assistance, including countries where morons like you bite the hand that feeds you.
- Is at the forefront of intelligence on terrorism, providing the intelligence that has lead the the capture of terrorists in several other countries.
- Established Democracies in 2 countries where democracy has never before existed.
- Assisted in an operation that liberated Somalia from Islamists.
- Has basically been the only country with the will and determination to actually stand up and do something, all while cowardly countries sit back and watch, yet benefit from the blanket of protection the US provides to them... all while criticizing the way the US provides it.

[Dark-Phire]

But they're fat.

[bcdemon]

At 7/30/07 07:31 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 7/30/07 06:57 AM, Cheekyvincent wrote: the US government is a terrorist government itsef. how is it helpful?

Haha you're so fucking retarded.

No, he's actually correct, Bush proved that before USA invaded Iraq, by threatening a sovereign nation with war in order to coerce the government. That's terrorism my friend.

[Cheekyvincent]

the US has turned into an even worse shithole (the link is evidence)

its WORSE now then it was before, how do we OWE the US?

[tony4moroney]

At 7/30/07 09:33 AM, Cheekyvincent wrote: the US has turned into an even worse shithole (the link is evidence)

its WORSE now then it was before, how do we OWE the US?

Don't forget that they hated the invasion wanted us out. After four years many still believe conditions and life hasn't improved. They're prime minister said he doesn't need us there/ doesn't want us there. But hey, Bush is the decider right?

[Proteas]

At 7/30/07 09:23 AM, bcdemon wrote: No, he's actually correct, Bush proved that before USA invaded Iraq, by threatening a sovereign nation with war in order to coerce the government. That's terrorism my friend.

How is us threatening a sovereign nation with war in order to coerce the government any worse than the UN not stepping up to make Saddam Hussein comply or answer for the 17 Un Security Council Resolutions that he violated?

OH, that's right, we actually followed through on our threat. Shame on us.

[JoS]

Newsflash, Iraq did comply with the UN resoltuion, he did disarm.

I am curious, how many international inspectors has the US allowed to come in to inspect their chemical and biological weapons stockpiles?

[Proteas]

At 7/30/07 01:16 PM, JoS wrote: Newsflash, Iraq did comply with the UN resoltuion, he did disarm.

I got three words for you, man; monday morning quarterback.

I am curious, how many international inspectors has the US allowed to come in to inspect their chemical and biological weapons stockpiles?

We're not the ones who jerked around the weapons inspectors about where they could go and when, remember?

[tony4moroney]

At 7/30/07 01:12 PM, Proteas wrote:

At 7/30/07 09:23 AM, bcdemon wrote: No, he's actually correct, Bush proved that before USA invaded Iraq, by threatening a sovereign nation with war in order to coerce the government. That's terrorism my friend.

How is us threatening a sovereign nation with war in order to coerce the government any worse than the UN not stepping up to make Saddam Hussein comply or answer for the 17 Un Security Council Resolutions that he violated?

Wwait wwait.. so youre saying non-compliance with a few sanctions is comparable to threatening to overthrow the government of a sovereign nation and waging war? A little far-fetched comparison you think?
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Anyway you did say U.N right? So they didn't comply with the U.N
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Is this the same U.N that that consistently told Bush not to invade Iraq
Is this the same U.N that said they found no WMDs and had no reason to find Iraq an imminent threat
Is this the same U.N that asked for more time but was refused that by Bush
Is this the same U.N whose key members including Europe, France, Russia voted and definitively said NO to the war
Is this the same U.N who believed Guantanamo Bay was illegal and should be shut down

Right, because for a second I thought you meant the other U.N.. the one that we totally complied with and Iraq didn't.

[Proteas]

At 7/30/07 01:26 PM, tony4moroney wrote: Right, because for a second I thought you meant the other U.N.. the one that we totally complied with and Iraq didn't.

Okay then, if you want to play it that way... show me the specific U.N. Security Council Resolution (or any other official UN Decree for that matter) we violated by going into Iraq.

[JoS]

At 7/30/07 01:25 PM, Proteas wrote:

At 7/30/07 01:16 PM, JoS wrote: Newsflash, Iraq did comply with the UN resoltuion, he did disarm.

I got three words for you, man; monday morning quarterback.

If I recall Iraq submitted over 7000 pages of documents before the deadline relating to the destruction of their weapons (which were edited by the US and UK before they went to the UNSC), and the weapons inspectors said they did nto believe Saddam had any weapons.

As for jerking around inspectors, how would you feel if the US was required to open up its most secret and secure military instalation to international inspectors, some of whom undoubtedly work for foriegn intelligence agencies.

[Memorize]

At 7/30/07 01:43 PM, JoS wrote:

As for jerking around inspectors, how would you feel if the US was required to open up its most secret and secure military instalation to international inspectors, some of whom undoubtedly work for foriegn intelligence agencies.

You actualy have the balls to compare the US to a dictator who used chemical agents on his civilians.

Congrats.

[public-enemy1]

At 7/30/07 01:52 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 7/30/07 01:43 PM, JoS wrote:

As for jerking around inspectors, how would you feel if the US was required to open up its most secret and secure military instalation to international inspectors, some of whom undoubtedly work for foriegn intelligence agencies.

You actualy have the balls to compare the US to a dictator who used chemical agents on his civilians.

Congrats.

What? He simply asked how we would feel if we had to under go a UN inspection.

[Proteas]

At 7/30/07 01:43 PM, JoS wrote: If I recall Iraq submitted over 7000 pages of documents before the deadline relating to the destruction of their weapons (which were edited by the US and UK before they went to the UNSC),

First time I've heard of it, care to elaborate?

As for jerking around inspectors, how would you feel if the US was required to open up its most secret and secure military instalation to international inspectors, some of whom undoubtedly work for foriegn intelligence agencies.

I'd want to jerk them around and stall for time too, but hey, my country's not the one UNSCR 1441 was aimed at to begin with.

[Memorize]

At 7/30/07 01:56 PM, public-enemy1 wrote:

What? He simply asked how we would feel if we had to under go a UN inspection.

There are so many things wrong with his question.

One of them being: What have we done or said that would warrant a UN inspection?

[bohligman]

At 7/30/07 01:52 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 7/30/07 01:43 PM, JoS wrote:

As for jerking around inspectors, how would you feel if the US was required to open up its most secret and secure military instalation to international inspectors, some of whom undoubtedly work for foriegn intelligence agencies.

You actualy have the balls to compare the US to a dictator who used chemical agents on his civilians.

Congrats.

The same US who armed Afghanistan when the USSR Invaded them?
who Armed Fidel Castro and Che Guevara and their revolutionaries when they overthrew Cuba's government? and then demonized them when they wouldn't let us create their new government?
the same US who destroyed the entire Native American population and then told them where they could live, after taking all of their land?

I could go on, but that would take waaaay too much time.

I'd say we're not that much better then Saddam.

[Proteas]

At 7/30/07 01:57 PM, Proteas wrote: First time I've heard of it, care to elaborate?

On December 7, 2002, Iraq filed its 12,000-page weapons declaration with the UN in order to meet requirements for this resolution. The five permanent members of the Security Council received unedited versions of the report, while an edited version was made available for other UN Member States. On December 19, Hans Blix reported before the United Nations and stated in regards to Iraq's December 7 report (unedited version): "During the period 1991-1998, Iraq submitted many declarations called full, final and complete. Regrettably, much in these declarations proved inaccurate or incomplete or was unsupported or contradicted by evidence. In such cases, no confidence can arise that proscribed programmes or items have been eliminated." By March, Blix declared that the December 7 report had not brought any new documentary evidence to light.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNSCR_1441#
Implementation_of_resolution

Nevermind....

[Memorize]

At 7/30/07 02:00 PM, bohligman wrote:

The same US who armed Afghanistan when the USSR Invaded them?

Yeah...

Ever heard of the COLD WAR?

The threat of nuclear war mean anything to you?

The Soviets did basically the same with North Vietnam by supplying them to fight against the US allied South Vietnam.

who Armed Fidel Castro and Che Guevara and their revolutionaries when they overthrew Cuba's government? and then demonized them when they wouldn't let us create their new government?

See above.

the same US who destroyed the entire Native American population and then told them where they could live, after taking all of their land?

I'm Indian, and how dare you bring up a 300 year old topic to bitch about the US.

No one today is responsible for what happend back then.

I'd say we're not that much better then Saddam.

Well... that is a very stupid opinion.

[JoS]

At 7/30/07 01:57 PM, Memorize wrote: One of them being: What have we done or said that would warrant a UN inspection?

Giving Saddam chemical weapons and intelligence during the war with Iran. You gave Saddam the weapons, and you just wanted them back. You knew full well what the weapons were going to be used for, gassing and killing thousands of Iranians.

What about the fact the US is th eonly country to have been found guilty of terrorism relating to the mining of civilian harbours in Nicarauga?

What about the fact that you invaded Iraq without UN consent, actually in defiance of the UN.

Or just simply the fact that you maintina the worlds largest stockpile of chemical and biological weapons as well as nuclear weapons, as well as are actively pursuing the creation of smaller nuclear weapons that you can actually use without destroying a whole city.

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 7/30/07 01:56 PM, public-enemy1 wrote:

At 7/30/07 01:52 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 7/30/07 01:43 PM, JoS wrote:

What? He simply asked how we would feel if we had to under go a UN inspection.

Probally not as bad as the UN does when they lose our tax support, technology and troops.

[JoS]

Also, in 1999 Scott Ritter, the chief UN Weapons Inspector for Iraq from 1991-1998 and former USMC IO said Iraq had not only destroyed its weapons stockpile, but also had no capacity to rebuild them.

Linky

Also, in March of 2003, Hans Blix told the UNSC that he and his team were mere months away from being able to provide absolute confirmation of the destruction of all the prohibited weapons in Iraq. The US waited 12 years to do anything, couldn't they have given another few months? Or were the worried that hans would report that the weapons were all gone and they woudl lose all pre-texts for the war?

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 7/30/07 02:27 PM, JoS wrote:

At 7/30/07 01:57 PM, Memorize wrote:

Giving Saddam chemical weapons and intelligence during the war with Iran. You gave Saddam the weapons, and you just wanted them back. You knew full well what the weapons were going to be used for, gassing and killing thousands of Iranians.

Well, yeah see thats what war is.
The object of the game is to kill as many enemy troops as possible.

What about the fact the US is th eonly country to have been found guilty of terrorism relating to the mining of civilian harbours in Nicarauga?

Really, well thats interesting.

What about the fact that you invaded Iraq without UN consent, actually in defiance of the UN.

Last time I checked, our nation doesn't swear loyalty to a corrupt, innefficient organisation that could do a thing without US help.

Or just simply the fact that you maintina the worlds largest stockpile of chemical and biological weapons as well as nuclear weapons, as well as are actively pursuing the creation of smaller nuclear weapons that you can actually use without destroying a whole city.

What, you mean a neutron bomb? Those things are actually real. Now thats cool.

[Memorize]

At 7/30/07 02:27 PM, JoS wrote:

Giving Saddam chemical weapons and intelligence during the war with Iran. You gave Saddam the weapons, and you just wanted them back. You knew full well what the weapons were going to be used for, gassing and killing thousands of Iranians.

You really need to pick up a history book there, JoS.

As I already explained, we were fighting the Soviets in an arms race and there were multiple instances where the cold war got "hot".

Honestly. Brush up on your history, young one.

Of course, I could do the same thing you're doing and blame Europe for the mid-east's situation as well since WWI.

Just a thought.

What about the fact the US is th eonly country to have been found guilty of terrorism relating to the mining of civilian harbours in Nicarauga?

Awww, someone going to cry?

All it was was to protect American interests. Once again, Cold War.

What about the fact that you invaded Iraq without UN consent, actually in defiance of the UN.

We didn't need UN consent.

Funny how one of the founding members of the UN, no... THE practically founding member of the UN would need UN consent.

Anywho, since Saddam violated several UN resolutions, including the PeaceFire treaty, which meant we didn't need their "consent".

We don't need their consent if it is for self-defense. And considering Saddam's record on trying to assassinate the former president and attacking US allies, their consent is not needed.

Or just simply the fact that you maintina the worlds largest stockpile of chemical and biological weapons as well as nuclear weapons, as well as are actively pursuing the creation of smaller nuclear weapons that you can actually use without destroying a whole city.

Because, you know, we use them.

[tony4moroney]

At 7/30/07 01:43 PM, Proteas wrote:

At 7/30/07 01:26 PM, tony4moroney wrote: Right, because for a second I thought you meant the other U.N.. the one that we totally complied with and Iraq didn't.

Okay then, if you want to play it that way... show me the specific U.N. Security Council Resolution (or any other official UN Decree for that matter) we violated by going into Iraq.

well you know theyre a walking u.s blowjob of course they're not going to start making any impositions on us. the best they can do is have a sulk.

the thing is though -- you made a comparison between non-compliance with a few sanctions to threatening to wage war and overthrow a government.

way too far-fetched

i just said hey? pot meet kettle its not like we were the virgin mary. put bush's admin under even half the sanctions and i bet they'd refuse to comply with one and its not like saying fuck you we're complying just don't look in my underpants is somehow comparable to saying 'im going to overthrow your govt. wage war on you and eat your children!'

[JoS]

I also believe under the original disarmerment treaty if Iraq gave up its weapons the sanctions would be lifted. The UN confirmed that they gave them up, but the sanctions never went away, and the list grew.

Iraq could not import ambulances and pencils for god's sakes.

[Proteas]

At 7/30/07 02:27 PM, JoS wrote: Giving Saddam chemical weapons and intelligence during the war with Iran. You gave Saddam the weapons, and you just wanted them back. You knew full well what the weapons were going to be used for, gassing and killing thousands of Iranians.

The French are just as guilty as we are in this instance, yet no one ever gives them shit over it. Why is that?

Oh that's right, I forgot this topic wasn't meant to shed light on anything, just another chance for dems on this forum to collectively circle jerk while bashing the United States. My bad.

What about the fact the US is th eonly country to have been found guilty of terrorism relating to the mining of civilian harbours in Nicarauga?

Case in point...

What about the fact that you invaded Iraq without UN consent, actually in defiance of the UN.

I'm still waiting for that UNSCR #, if anyone wishes to provide it for me.

Or just simply the fact that you maintina the worlds largest stockpile of chemical and biological weapons as well as nuclear weapons, as well as are actively pursuing the creation of smaller nuclear weapons that you can actually use without destroying a whole city.

Memorize took the words right out of my mouth on this one.

At 7/30/07 02:46 PM, tony4moroney wrote: well you know theyre a walking u.s blowjob of course they're not going to start making any impositions on us. the best they can do is have a sulk.

That's what I thought.

way too far-fetched

Oh really? What exactly was going to happen if Saddam didn't comply with the resolutions given him? MORE resolutions? Economic sanctions? UNSCR #1441 was IT for him, the last chance he had to comply and it wasn't issued by us, it was issued by the UN, so all of you can sit back and say now that he wasn't a threat then but we weren't the only ones guilty of thinking he was up to no good.

[Demosthenez]

HOLY SHIT.

Why dont all you fags just blame the USA for AIDS, killing the Lindbergh baby, and starting WWI while we are at it. I mean, we are the current incarnation of evil on the planet, worse than Saddam, worse than Iran, worse than al Qaeda, worse than Hizbullah, worse than Hitler probably to if he was still alive. Ohh, cant forget Genghis Khan, he was probably better than us too.

Hey JoS, did you know that Canada has virtually no military because the USA does all the heavy lifting for you? Did you know France has virtually no military because the USA does all the heavy lifting for them? Did you know the UK has virtually no military because the USA does all the heavy lifting for them? Did you know the US Coast Guard has the 4th largest navy in the world?

But again, lets continue on this naive line of discussion. Lets continue blasting the USA for things that happened 30 years in the past and that have absolutely no reference to today. Lets continue pretending like the world is built upon sunshine and lollipops and that blood doesnt need to be shed to protect what we have and that blood didnt need to be shed to get what we enjoy now.

You fucking idiots should be happy the USA doesnt extract tribute from your nations like Athens did of their supposed "allies" of old. We dont even ask your nations to do much of anything yet we get shit on all over by you fags anyways.

[Tri-Nitro-Toluene]

At 7/30/07 03:05 PM, Demosthenez wrote: Why dont all you fags just blame the USA for AIDS, killing the Lindbergh baby, and starting WWI while we are at it. I mean, we are the current incarnation of evil on the planet, worse than Saddam, worse than Iran, worse than al Qaeda, worse than Hizbullah, worse than Hitler probably to if he was still alive. Ohh, cant forget Genghis Khan, he was probably better than us too.

Did you know that you blowing off like this only makes you look like an idiot?

Did you know the UK has virtually no military because the USA does all the heavy lifting for them?

Did you know that our troops actually go over to America to train yours? You have more troops, and you have better technology, that doesn't make them superior though as training in any form of combat is paramount.

Testament to this is the fact that Iraq has adopted the British model of training officers from Sandhurst and not America's

Or perhaps that despite the US being the backbone behind NATO, the Afghan forces are being trained by the British, not the US.

Get off your high horse, America has a good army, it may even be the best in the world, but your rant about how every other army sucks because the US does everything for them is complete crap. Every nation does something with their military, yes the US does a lot, and actually 99% of us are actually grateful for what you do, so quite your whining as though everyone of us is going ' Waaaaah! US sucks!'

You fucking idiots should be happy the USA doesnt extract tribute from your nations like Athens did of their supposed "allies" of old. We dont even ask your nations to do much of anything yet we get shit on all over by you fags anyways.

Over reaction much?

If you don't like how people are acting towards you then go vote for a politician that's going to go isolationist and withdraw America from the world, go campaign for that Politician. Its a much better use of your time than whining at us for being ungrateful, cause quite frankly. those of us that do realise the US isn't the big bad wolf, think you look idiotic for doing something like this. Those of us who are stupid enough to believe the US is the devil incarnate won't pay attention to you, so quite your whining and do something useful.

Btw, good job on fulfilling the stereotype of the arrogant, borderline xenophobic American. I suggest if you want people to stop bitchign at America you do your bit to not live up to the stereotypes.