Hitler was a horrible leader

[TehChahlesh]

I'm so fucking sick of topics popping up saying "Yeah sure hitler caused a war that claimed more than 50,000,000 lives and he was responsible for the Holocaust but he did great things for Germany!"

If you believe that any of the supposed positive things hitler did for Germany made up for the attrocities commited under him, you deserve to be smacked in the face with a trout.

Hitler was possibly the worst leader Germany ever had. Why he holds this presitigious position is obvious: HE MURDERED 12 MILLION INNOCENT PEOPLE AND STARTED A WAR THAT CLAIMED 54,000,000 LIVES

God, you're all idiots. I need a tylenol.

[LightandDark]

don't you mean 6,000,000? innocent lives? or did that include people Hitler had killed that weren't Jews?

[TehChahlesh]

At 7/28/07 11:48 AM, LightandDark wrote: don't you mean 6,000,000? innocent lives? or did that include people Hitler had killed that weren't Jews?

Jews weren't hitlers only victims.

[viceman]

he was an very good leader but a evil person

i hope we will never have to follow an person like him

[nutrumpet]

At 7/28/07 11:46 AM, TehChahlesh wrote: I'm so fucking sick of topics popping up saying "Yeah sure hitler caused a war that claimed more than 50,000,000 lives and he was responsible for the Holocaust but he did great things for Germany!"

If you believe that any of the supposed positive things hitler did for Germany made up for the attrocities commited under him, you deserve to be smacked in the face with a trout.

Hitler was possibly the worst leader Germany ever had. Why he holds this presitigious position is obvious: HE MURDERED 12 MILLION INNOCENT PEOPLE AND STARTED A WAR THAT CLAIMED 54,000,000 LIVES

God, you're all idiots. I need a tylenol.

Dude, firstly Hitler didn't kill 54,000,000 people. That many died in WWII. More people were actually killed by Stalin but historians kind of glance over that. He did pull Germany out of the Great Depression, make a great highway system ad improve the standards of living for his country even if he was giant dickhead. I don't understand why people don't hate Stalin as much as Hitler though....

[fahrenheit]

your right, leading germany out of the depression to become one of the most powerful countries in the world doesnt count for shit

[TehChahlesh]

At 7/28/07 12:21 PM, nutrumpet wrote: . He did pull Germany out of the Great Depression, make a great highway system ad improve the standards of living for his country even if he was giant dickhead.

So what? None of that makes up for the horific attorcities he comitted.

[raizankiller]

At 7/28/07 12:28 PM, TehChahlesh wrote:

At 7/28/07 12:21 PM, nutrumpet wrote: . He did pull Germany out of the Great Depression, make a great highway system ad improve the standards of living for his country even if he was giant dickhead.

So what? None of that makes up for the horific attorcities he comitted.

how about you shoot yourself and go cry to him instead?

[wallpaperman]

actually hitler did many great things for germany liek start a moustache trend which is incredibly romantic and handsome.

[LightandDark]

just because that doesn't cover up for his horrible attrocites doesn't mean that he was a bad leader in terms of did he help his country to an acceptable standard of living.

[D2Kvirus]

Without Hitler we wouldn't have Volkswagen, and who are we to deprive valley girls of their mode of transport?

[homor]

At 7/28/07 12:30 PM, wallpaperman wrote: liek

the second someone uses that word seriouly there polictical opinon is no longer valid.

[homor]

At 7/28/07 12:36 PM, homor wrote:

At 7/28/07 12:30 PM, wallpaperman wrote: liek

the second someone uses that word seriouly there polictical opinon is no longer valid.

oh....wait.

DAMNIT!

[wallpaperman]

At 7/28/07 12:38 PM, homor wrote:

At 7/28/07 12:36 PM, homor wrote:

At 7/28/07 12:30 PM, wallpaperman wrote: liek

the second someone uses that word seriouly there polictical opinon is no longer valid.

oh....wait.

DAMNIT!

lol. thanks for fucking yourself up for me. (=

[homor]

but yeah, fuck he was great leader,

well, as long as you ignore the fact that the only way he took over germany because it was the in such a poor state, and that after he lost and died germany wouldhave been better off in the state it was in before hitler, and that he stragedys were shit, he attack russia way too eraly, got 3 empires pissed at im at the same time, only made his people love him thru lies and sterotypes, forced many people to die for a cause almost all of them didnt belive in, and died a pitiful meaningless death as a virgin.

but if you ignore all that, he was a great leader.

[public-enemy1]

When it comes down to it, Hitler was actually a great leader, whether you, or anyone else choose to believe it. The way he united Germany, created jobs that both fixed the economy and built the army, and brought a sense of national pride to the German people was astounding.

But when you look at the facts, it's easy to see how he could have been stopped. After WW1, the Treaty of Versailles put so many sanctions or limits on Germany, you can find all of them in the wikipedia article. When Hitler came to power, he began to break these sanctions. They went unnoticed and he we unpunished.

Hitler's rise to power can be blamed on Europe's own unwillingness to follow through on the Treaty.

[BeFell]

At 7/28/07 12:21 PM, nutrumpet wrote: Dude, firstly Hitler didn't kill 54,000,000 people. That many died in WWII. More people were actually killed by Stalin but historians kind of glance over that. He did pull Germany out of the Great Depression, make a great highway system ad improve the standards of living for his country even if he was giant dickhead. I don't understand why people don't hate Stalin as much as Hitler though....

Nobody glances over the fact that Stalin killed more people than Hitler, if you find anyone older than nine (that actually knows who Hitler and Stalin are) who doesn't know this little tidbit, I'd be a little surprised. It's kind of a pet peeve of mine when people spew this fact in a pseudo-intellectual matter of fact way because they don't get the fucking point. Stalin was a paranoid nutcase asshole who killed out of random ignorant paranoia. Hitler (who was by no means stable) set up a methodic beurocracy of murder. If Hitler had been in power as long as Stalin his numbers would have far exceeded the latter's because he was the God damn Henry Ford of genocide.

That is why Hitler gets more recognition, Stalin pointed a finger and said, "um... them" while Hitler built an assembly line.

[Nylo]

Hitler was a horrible leader, but for none of the reasons I've heard so far. He was a great speaker and a great strategy engineer, but he was lazy, increadibly mentally unstable, and heavily addicted in the last years of the war. Hitler built up the economy by turning over it's functioning to the nazis and doing enough illegal shit to make Enron look like cakewalk.

It's like saying lemmings are good leaders because they can get everyone else to jump off the damn cliff.

[Schmut]

At 7/28/07 12:02 PM, viceman wrote: he was an very good leader but a evil person

i hope we will never have to follow an person like him

You fucking sheep! If a leader as bad as Hitler were to take over your country, you don't have to follow them. You can easily die before following an evil bastard like that. If you don't have the backbone to die before following evil, you're nothing!

[Gamerguy95]

Well, hitler did make the land rich, and helped the people in their land and built autobahn, But he SUCKED why did he have to kill the jews? i dont know. To much war. im happy he killed himself.
he attacked whole scandinavia, brithish, russian and i think he started second world war...
-Twice

[SmilezRoyale]

At 7/28/07 11:46 AM, TehChahlesh wrote:

HE MURDERED 12 MILLION INNOCENT PEOPLE AND STARTED A WAR THAT CLAIMED 54,000,000 LIVES

And prince albert's in the can.

[Tancrisism]

Truly, the consensus is that he did some great things for Germany and pulled them out of a horrendous situation in the thirties. The Holocaust doesn't weigh against his leadership ability, if anything it even makes it stronger: He never gave an order to carry out the Holocaust, history tends to say, but he made it very clear what he wanted and he was such a strong, influential leader that the horrendous, long event was carried out. Then he successfully came close to conquering much of the world. This is where his leadership abilities end.

He made some terrible mistakes. Firstly, and not to act as though the US is the best country or anything like that, but he did declare war on the US, which harmed him greatly in the end. Also, he invaded Russia, which was a pain in the ass, and he trusted Italy, which could be considered to have caused his invasion of Russia to fail. Italy had been invading the Balkans, but was failing, causing Hitler to then invade and set back his Russian campaign a few precious weeks closer to winter.

The fact that he was mentally instable and a drug addict are other reasons that I'd agree that he wasn't a great, or capable leader, throughout his days.

Anyone who tries the argument though that he was a great leader due to the restoration of Germany needs to read something about the history of Germany from 1944-1989. It is directly Hitler's fault for the terrible mess that the Germans faced, and the oppression that they felt. After the war was over, many Germans were forced out of most countries in the area (the late Czechoslovakia comes to mind) in a Trail of Tears like fashion, entire cities were flattened (Dresden especially comes to mind) causing thousands upon thousands of innocent Germans to die, and the economy was then set back fifty years due to communist rule.

So in the thirties, yes, he was a competent leader, but historically? Not in the least.

[tony4moroney]

At 7/28/07 11:46 AM, TehChahlesh wrote: I'm so fucking sick of topics popping up saying "Yeah sure hitler caused a war that claimed more than 50,000,000 lives and he was responsible for the Holocaust but he did great things for Germany!"

If you believe that any of the supposed positive things hitler did for Germany made up for the attrocities commited under him, you deserve to be smacked in the face with a trout.

First of all nobody in here is making the suggestion that hitler's achievements justify the atrocities he committed, you pulled that out of your arse.

Secondly he was actually a great leader, Germany was in a depression, they already lost world war one had their industry taken by us, had to comply with a lot of resolutions and impositions and despite almost the entire world standing against them he blazed through europe like a hot knife through butter. The only problem was he started going insane along the way, had he not fought the russians he probably well could've won the war even with american intervention.

Seriously, he and his generals were some of the most intelligent military minds in modern history, he also did great things for Germany economically, and for their infrastructure and without world war 2 today Germany may well have lived in stricken poverty like many countries in eastern europe because of all the ridiculous impositions we had in place after WWI.

So yes he was a fuckwit but not as much as Stalin. and no, his achievements don't outweigh his atrocities, its just that when people become more observant of him we begin to realize that behind all the propaganda we've been fed maybe hitler wasn't necessarily the embodiment of pure evil afterall.

[SolInvictus]

tehchahlesh is a great and original topic maker.

[colalol]

YOU ARE RIGHT! GOD DAMN IT! NOW CAN THIS PLEASE END FOR HITTLER WAS EVIL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! bottom line HE WAS EVIL AND KILLED THEM ALL

[LordJaric]

At 7/28/07 04:02 PM, Gamerguy95 wrote: But he SUCKED why did he have to kill the jews?

The reason is that he was pissed, the Jews were very rich, if I remember right they didn't help much with WW1.

It is no hard to belivie that germany was treated so badly for a war they did not start, if germany was not put into the state it was after WW1 Hitler would of never gained power.

I personally think that overlooking his horrendous war crimes or the prejuidice and racism he did prior to 1939 (not the topic at hand here), he did a "good" job of leading Germany between 1933 and 1939, but obviously did it in the wrong way, being an extremist fascist. After the depression, he did manage to get Germany back on it's feet, but I don't think he's the only person that could've done it. He just managed to manipulate the government.

[SlithVampir]

God, you're all idiots. I need a tylenol.

You: Hitler Sucked.

Me: CAPTIAN OBVIOUS

[Jizzlebang]

WW2 was a huge technological boom thought.

Can't argue with that.

[animehater]

At 7/28/07 11:46 AM, TehChahlesh wrote: God, you're all idiots. I need a tylenol.

Not our fault we want to play devils advocate and think a bit more while stay in your "omg hitlar waz teh evilz" one-dimensional thinking. Open your mind man!