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At 7/26/07 01:15 PM, SuperDeagle wrote:

It's funny because it's not true. Oh well just another genuine I guess not much else to stamp it as.

wrong...thats about as accurate as you can get

At 7/26/07 12:48 PM, Sajberhippien wrote:

At 7/26/07 04:18 AM, Generate wrote: Another way to view it is, George W Bush, is hated by alot of people, and he hasnt started any of the wars hes in, they have all been somewhat provoked. So, considering Hitler started these wars, hes considered much more of a menace.

He has started wars on both Afghanistan and Iraq, and especially the latter was unprovoked. It was like:
Bush: Iraq has WMDs.
UN: Lets do an inspection.
Bush: But of course they do, we sold the WMDs to Iraq!
UN: Nope, we can't find any.
Bush: But they do.
UN: No, they don't. Don't start a war on them until you have proof.
Bush: FU, *starts war*
Bush: Dang, nabbit! They didn't have any WMDs! Oh well, Hussein was a bad guy, it's good to kill him. He's killed like 250 000 people.
UN: Well, that's what we said! And your war has killed 650 000 people now!
Bush: Bother! They were all potential terrorists!

You sir have stated nothing but misinformation. To start off with, Saddam said he had Nukes in 1998. The preveous administration (clinton) said he had WMD's. Tony Blair said he had WMD's. Only 60-70 thousand people have died in Iraq due to the americans : www.iraqbodycount.org Lastly U.N sanctions killed 500,000 people in Iraq and Sudam killed 50 thousand people not 250,000.

At 7/26/07 01:33 PM, public-enemy1 wrote:

At 7/26/07 01:15 PM, SuperDeagle wrote:

It's funny because it's not true. Oh well just another genuine I guess not much else to stamp it as.

wrong...thats about as accurate as you can get

ur wrong, he killed like 30,000 (its still a shit load)

You see..the media keeps biasing hitler as a terrible man , who slaughtered many people.

Wow, now why the hell would say that, I wonder?

At 7/26/07 03:57 AM, rithel wrote: I'm not pro nazi...or anti nazi for that matter.

You see..the media keeps biasing hitler as a terrible man , who slaughtered many people.
Agreed , it was terrible.But war is cruel , and innocent people do die.
At the end of the day , i want to know - why is hitler considored such a terrible man?

It was the concentration camps, prisons are one thing, death camps are another, and that's what the concentration camps were, that's why he keeps getting blasted to hell and back.

It is not my intention to start a flame war , or hurt the feelings of jews of NG(if any).
Side note - why do people hate jews?esp on 4chan?

I have no idea why people hate jews, maybe they're just jealous because the name of their race has more than one syllable and is harder to spell.

At 7/26/07 01:49 PM, TonyTostieno wrote:

It is not my intention to start a flame war , or hurt the feelings of jews of NG(if any).
Side note - why do people hate jews?esp on 4chan?

I have no idea why people hate jews, maybe they're just jealous because the name of their race has more than one syllable and is harder to spell.

Jew is one syllable and is three letters.

At 7/26/07 03:22 PM, public-enemy1 wrote:

At 7/26/07 01:49 PM, TonyTostieno wrote:

It is not my intention to start a flame war , or hurt the feelings of jews of NG(if any).
Side note - why do people hate jews?esp on 4chan?

I have no idea why people hate jews, maybe they're just jealous because the name of their race has more than one syllable and is harder to spell.

Jew is one syllable and is three letters.

If you read what he said, he said that the longer titles, such as Christians, or Muslims, would be Jealous of Jew, which is shorter, and a single syllable. Since it was all a joke in the first place, I don't think your reply was required. Neither is mine, come to think of it.

At 7/26/07 03:57 AM, rithel wrote:
At the end of the day , i want to know - why is hitler considored such a terrible man?

Oh I dont know? Maybe the whole concentration camp thing. Believing that Germans are super beings and everyone else is just scum, especially the jews for some reason. Starting the second world war. If I missed something please say so.

At 7/26/07 01:35 PM, NHT123 wrote:

At 7/26/07 12:48 PM, Sajberhippien wrote:

At 7/26/07 04:18 AM, Generate wrote: Another way to view it is, George W Bush, is hated by alot of people, and he hasnt started any of the wars hes in, they have all been somewhat provoked. So, considering Hitler started these wars, hes considered much more of a menace.

He has started wars on both Afghanistan and Iraq, and especially the latter was unprovoked. It was like:
Bush: Iraq has WMDs.
UN: Lets do an inspection.
Bush: But of course they do, we sold the WMDs to Iraq!
UN: Nope, we can't find any.
Bush: But they do.
UN: No, they don't. Don't start a war on them until you have proof.
Bush: FU, *starts war*
Bush: Dang, nabbit! They didn't have any WMDs! Oh well, Hussein was a bad guy, it's good to kill him. He's killed like 250 000 people.
UN: Well, that's what we said! And your war has killed 650 000 people now!
Bush: Bother! They were all potential terrorists!

You sir have stated nothing but misinformation. To start off with, Saddam said he had Nukes in 1998. The preveous administration (clinton) said he had WMD's. Tony Blair said he had WMD's. Only 60-70 thousand people have died in Iraq due to the americans : www.iraqbodycount.org Lastly U.N sanctions killed 500,000 people in Iraq and Sudam killed 50 thousand people not 250,000.

Yes, Saddam said so in 1998. But that doesn't contradict my statement: That the UN said that the US shouldn't attack until they knew for sure.
Secondly, I didn't say that the americans had directly killed 650 000. 650 000 has died due to the war. Many of these die from diseases, the increased terror in the country, starvation and so on. The link you gave only reflect the civilian deaths reported in media.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_surv eys_of_mortality_before_and_after_the_20 03_invasion_of_Iraq
The same goes for Saddam. Although he didn't actually murder more than 50 000 people, estimations has been that he was the prime cause of that many deaths.

You may not agree with what Adolf Hitler did, but he is not unusual. He was a brilliant genius, unlike what you may have heard of him being insane.

One. Adolf Hitler's rise to power wasn't legal, but it certainly wasn't anything unusual. He paid off people, brainwashed people, and had people killed so he could gain power. That is anything but unusual. U.S. citizens are sometimes under the impression that presidents and senators don't have people killed to gain and keep power. Wrong. Most great leaders are not or were no legit. President Kenedy was killed by the CIA so Lydon Johnson could assume power and keep america in the vietnam war. Illegal things happen all the time in order to keep power. A famous scene in the Godfather, Part I is Micheal's girlfriend saying, "But micheal, presidents and senators don't have people killed." It's quite humorous.

At 7/26/07 04:22 AM, darkgift1 wrote: lotsa people hate jews cause they killed Jesus.

As it has already been stated, Jesus was a Jew himself. Now, it isn't impossible for a people to kill one of their own, but in this case they DIDN'T. The Roman government had him executed because they thought the following he was gaining was potentially dangerous, and could destabilize their rule.

I consider Adolf Hitler more of a blundering fool than a terrible monster. Agreed, he committed a grave cruelty against the Jews of Europe, but that sprang more from political convenience than pure malice (He had a Jewish grandmother, mind you). I am convinced that his so-called "Final Solution" was but the largest out of a host of errors that drove Germany into a second, deeper round of humiliation.

On a crazier note, were Hitler to have escaped rather than commit suicide, I bet Israel's Mossad would've bagged him in Rio and had his rotting corpse on display in Tel Aviv by 1967...more likely earlier.

dude honestly would you hold something that their ancesters did 2000 years and countless generations ago against them and seriously i bet the bloodlines of the actual people who crucified jesus ran dry a long long time ago. now i'm friends with a jew. and he complains about everything and is a bit greedy money wise. but they can't be perfect after all they are just human and i'd be willing to wager that even the big guy himself (jesus) has long since forgivin them. i wouldn't be surprised if he had already forgiven them befor they even him on the cross

At 7/26/07 07:23 PM, kyte-airborne wrote: dude honestly would you hold something that their ancesters did 2000 years and countless generations ago against them and seriously i bet the bloodlines of the actual people who crucified jesus ran dry a long long time ago. now i'm friends with a jew. and he complains about everything and is a bit greedy money wise. but they can't be perfect after all they are just human and i'd be willing to wager that even the big guy himself (jesus) has long since forgivin them. i wouldn't be surprised if he had already forgiven them befor they even him on the cross

Jesus did forgive them, before he died on the cross, he said "Forgive them Father, for they do not know what they are doing!" so if anyone makes a racist comment ending with, they killed jesus, i would said what jesus say before his death.

Now for the topic, if the topic starter said that the people killed in the death camps had no right to live, he is probably a reincarnation of hitler, just without the brains, people let's hope this guy dies a really painful death for being a racist asshole.

At 7/26/07 03:57 AM, rithel wrote: I'm not pro nazi...or anti nazi for that matter.

You see..the media keeps biasing hitler as a terrible man , who slaughtered many people.

That's not bias, Hitler was a terrible man who slaughtered many people.

Agreed , it was terrible.But war is cruel , and innocent people do die.

Yes war is cruel, but are you proposing we accept the methodical slaughtering of Jewish and Nazi opponents as in someway acceptable?

At the end of the day , i want to know - why is hitler considored such a terrible man?

Hitler is considered a terrible man because he killed a lot of innocent people simply due to his deranged stereotypical views and belief of a pure Aryan race.

It is not my intention to start a flame war , or hurt the feelings of jews of NG(if any).

Well, with stupid commentary like this I'm sure you did. The fact that you can even justify the genocide of Jewish people as 'an act of war' is pathetic. Had you asked about what pre-existing conditions may have perhaps caused Hitler to rise to power and then commit such atrocities would have been a more appropriate question.

Side note - why do people hate jews?esp on 4chan?

Stereotyping, bigotry and racism towards Jewish people is somehow much more widely accepted then being extremely offensive towards another religion/ people. People justify this hate by saying Jewish killed Jesus' or 'Jewish people fail to accept Jesus as being the son of god'. Also, many Jewish people live within insular communities, possess a disproportionate amount of wealth or enjoy a lot of success. People have used these successful traits to create unfounded conspiracy-theories which lead to more asinine bigotry and hatred.

At 7/26/07 04:23 AM, public-enemy1 wrote: Go to hell, you know Bush started this bullshit war. Don't be a fool.

Can it with the off topic bitching!

At 7/26/07 08:46 PM, zambota wrote:

At 7/26/07 04:23 AM, public-enemy1 wrote: Go to hell, you know Bush started this bullshit war. Don't be a fool.

Can it with the off topic bitching!

ha ha ha I posted that last night

At 7/26/07 06:50 PM, SirSpankalicious wrote: You may not agree with what Adolf Hitler did, but he is not unusual.

I believe causing a world war, slaughtering people based on race/ religion, paranoia leading to killing generals and close allies is in fact unusual in that its an indifference not found in the norm.

He was a brilliant genius, unlike what you may have heard of him being insane.

Adolf Hitler was an incredibly intelligent man, he was also charismatic. But what you fail to realize is that intelligence and insanity are not necessarily exclusive of each other. Hitler was in fact insane and it was his paranoia that led to the biggest tactical err, an aggression towards the Russians before finishing on the European/ British front.

note; Sorry in advance for any typo's or the like, for some reason my computer lags a lot when i browse on NG now.

Hey guys, i just wanted to point out in regards to the palestine/ israel war now, way back in the 1940's , from what i've read the us and britain were the ones that "allocated" land for the jews, ie israel. They cut out a part of palestine and said the jews could have it, basically.

However wasn't the original topic "hitler"? In regards to him i would say he was a great leader, but not a great being. I think that maybe he could have used his influence for much better things, but thats beating a dead horse. If i saw him on the steet i wouldn't give him the time of day, but i wouldn't pelter him with tomatoes either. I just think it was a crazy time for germany, and fittingly, a crazy man took the reins. What i always find the most odd is that over the course of his career, stalin (the russian leader of the day) was responible for at least 20 million deaths, and he is cast in no light at all.

At 7/26/07 09:12 PM, Ropedgag12345 wrote: Hey guys, i just wanted to point out in regards to the palestine/ israel war now, way back in the 1940's , from what i've read the us and britain were the ones that "allocated" land for the jews, ie israel. They cut out a part of palestine and said the jews could have it, basically.

However wasn't the original topic "hitler"? In regards to him i would say he was a great leader, but not a great being. I think that maybe he could have used his influence for much better things, but thats beating a dead horse. If i saw him on the steet i wouldn't give him the time of day, but i wouldn't pelter him with tomatoes either. I just think it was a crazy time for germany, and fittingly, a crazy man took the reins. What i always find the most odd is that over the course of his career, stalin (the russian leader of the day) was responible for at least 20 million deaths, and he is cast in no light at all.

The reason people focus on hitler's bad deeds and not stalins is because hitler killed people out of biogtry, and they were killed in death camps, what he did was inhumane, i'm surprised he was even human, and plus if Stalin was responsbile for that many deaths, the best guess i'm giving is because the deaths were A: not gruesome or B: it wasn't out of racism, i don't know i'm just guessing

[i]I consider Adolf Hitler more of a blundering fool than a terrible monster.[/i]

Far from blundering; opportunistic and ruthless.
He didn't start a war in the name of killing jews; his initial advance was into the demilitarised Rhineland, testing the waters; had the British or French shown the slightest discomfort in the form of an army, it would have nipped it in the bud.

WW2 was caused as much by Hitler's intentions, namely the restore Germany to it's former glory, and to 'purify' the Arian race; I'll take this moment to point out that Jewish people were not the first on his list; anyone deemed to have a disability or a disorder of any sort were dealt with as coldly and efficently as the Jews.
WW2 was caused as much by his intentions and actions, as by our fear and inability to act; Britain sought to give in to Hitler's demands in the hope that he had set goals in mind and once achieved, would be satisifed. (This is speculation) but he had no master plan. Czechsolovakia had outer areas that once belonged to Germany; he initially took these, then thought 'fuck it', I'm having the whole thing.
As was previously, and correctly, posted, his decision to attack the Russians was his downfall; a frighteningly swift advance through Russia, halted by the even more frightening Russian winter. That's right; WW2 stopped by Russia being so damn cold? Seems like it (speculation/joke)

Oh, and Hitler drew inspiration from Mussolini, who tore apart the League of Nations (set up after the first world war), by exposing the Allies inability to stand up to true, raw aggression. Apologies for the long post, but the ignorance in this thread, with a few exceptions, is remarkable.

Hate is a worthless object that is known to cause health issues.

At 7/26/07 06:50 PM, SirSpankalicious wrote: You may not agree with what Adolf Hitler did, but he is not unusual. He was a brilliant genius, unlike what you may have heard of him being insane.

President Kenedy was killed by the CIA so Lydon Johnson could assume power and keep america in the vietnam war.

Can you prove that?

At 7/26/07 10:29 PM, Durin413 wrote:

At 7/26/07 06:50 PM, SirSpankalicious wrote: You may not agree with what Adolf Hitler did, but he is not unusual. He was a brilliant genius, unlike what you may have heard of him being insane.

President Kenedy was killed by the CIA so Lydon Johnson could assume power and keep america in the vietnam war.

Can you prove that?

that sir, is what you call a conspiracy theory, rarely do they get proven, but sometimes they do.

At 7/26/07 03:57 AM, rithel wrote: I'm not pro nazi...or anti nazi for that matter.

You see..the media keeps biasing hitler as a terrible man , who slaughtered many people.
Agreed , it was terrible.But war is cruel , and innocent people do die.
At the end of the day , i want to know - why is hitler considored such a terrible man?
It is not my intention to start a flame war , or hurt the feelings of jews of NG(if any).

Side note - why do people hate jews?esp on 4chan?

It is tricky to decide weather he was truely terrbile or not... I mean, he obviously did a terrbile thing, but his intentiones werent that bad (Make the world all one race/religion to ensure peace and superiority), and he was one of the worlds best leaders, even if it was for the wrong cause.

I would say, he is pretty dang bad, but it looks a --little-- better through his eyes.

Rithel fails at devil´s advocate...

*sigh*
Don't take this too personally (but you will), but the inside of your head is absolutely filled with cotton balls.

Okay, not a Nazi not a proponent of Hitler. Got you...

But the reasons to why people dislike Hitller should be very obvious. Even people such as David Duke admit to why people may not like Hitler (although he's still a pro-Hitler person...)

</eye rollie>

Hitler must be stopped!

At 7/26/07 11:37 AM, Cheekyvincent wrote:

At 7/26/07 03:57 AM, rithel wrote: Side note - why do people hate jews?esp on 4chan?

five reasons:
1) south park culture
2) they invaded palestine
3) they took away a country called palestine and named it israel
4) they make palestinians' lives a misery
5) they kill random palestinians

Those people are Zionists. You can't judge an entire people based on a fundamentalist group (even if its large and powerful). The international Jewish community by and large decry the existence of Israel.

Hitlers German Supremacy was wrong.

But he was a smart motherfucker. He encouraged, and probably scared too, Millions of people to follow him and his beliefs, and almost kicked the shit out of an entire Continent, until he got Betrayed and Overwhelmed.

It's true that he killed an incredible amount of people, but you have a point. War is cruel, and bad things happen during it.

I'd say Hitler was a pretty nasty guy, but he was pretty fucking brilliant.

I'm gonna read more about hitler and then comment..I will not reply to thisthread any more.It can be locked .