Chemtrails

[darkgift1]

Yup.... Those lines in the skies all sprayed from the nozzles of unmarked jets. If you see the earth from a sattellite, its littered with lines. The earth glows. In some places you can see a halo around the sun or the moon. What are these chemical lines, you ask? Lots of theories are floating around out there. Regardless, I doubt that breathing in chemicals for an extended period of time can be too healthy. Yet the government insists that millions of people are just "imagining it". Millions of people are just "imagining" jets forming X and tic-tac-toe shaped lines in the skies that leave a weird smell behind. Some things that have been found in these chemtrails are barium, aluminum, and even human pathogens. Theres a bunch more things that I cant remember, but I doubt that breathing all that in is very healthy at all. Sign this petition. You wont lose anything. http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeactio n/835318817

[Draconias]

How can you identify a specific spell in the jet trails when they are hundreds of feet up in the air? I live in an area with a very high density of jet trails, and I have never noticed a particular smell related to the trails. The way you phrased your post makes this sound like another conspiracy-theorist type attack, not really an honest and open topic.

Also, what exactly is the issue here? Are you trying to argue for the banning of jets and similar aircraft from urban airspace, or what?

[IllustriousPotentate]

At 7/25/07 07:02 AM, darkgift1 wrote: Yup.... Those lines in the skies all sprayed from the nozzles of unmarked jets.

Unmarked in this sense meaning "branded commercial airliners".

The earth glows.

It's called earthshine.

In some places you can see a halo around the sun or the moon.

Ice crystals. See?

What are these chemical lines, you ask?

No, I don't ask. Because any sane person with the least bit of scientific knowledge knows they are composed of water. THEY ARE FUCKING WATER.

Lots of theories are floating around out there.

All of them emanating from beneath tin foil hats, no doubt.

Regardless, I doubt that breathing in chemicals for an extended period of time can be too healthy.

That's why you need to laminate your tin foil hat so you don't come into contact with the metal.

Yet the government insists that millions of people are just "imagining it".

Because they are.

Millions of people are just "imagining" jets forming X and tic-tac-toe shaped lines in the skies that leave a weird smell behind.

You can smell things at 30,000 feet above you huh?

Some things that have been found in these chemtrails are barium, aluminum, and even human pathogens.

Source?

Theres a bunch more things that I cant remember, but I doubt that breathing all that in is very healthy at all.

If you're such an expert on "chemtrails" then you ought to be able to recite them.

Sign this petition. You wont lose anything.

Except your sanity in believing this nonsense.

[Elfer]

At 7/25/07 07:02 AM, darkgift1 wrote: Regardless, I doubt that breathing in chemicals for an extended period of time can be too healthy.

Oh god yeah, you wouldn't want to be breathing anything like oxygen or nitrogen or any number of chemicals that might be floating around there in the atmosphere.

[IllustriousPotentate]

At 7/25/07 08:50 AM, Elfer wrote:

At 7/25/07 07:02 AM, darkgift1 wrote: Regardless, I doubt that breathing in chemicals for an extended period of time can be too healthy.

Oh god yeah, you wouldn't want to be breathing anything like oxygen or nitrogen or any number of chemicals that might be floating around there in the atmosphere.

I tell ya, that dihydrogen monoxide will kill you!

[SmackBang]

At 7/25/07 08:50 AM, Elfer wrote:

Oh god yeah, you wouldn't want to be breathing anything like oxygen or nitrogen or any number of chemicals that might be floating around there in the atmosphere

I lol'd.

[Proteas]

... he's worried about "chemtrails" thousands of feet up in the sky, yet he's not worried about smog, brushfires, or the shit in secondhand smoke DOWN HERE on earth?

How many idiots can there be?
Some say that its one out of three,
If you don't know then take it from me,
You're the DEE DEE-DEE.

[darkgift1]

Oh sure. You guys call me crazy and shit. Expectced. Cant you at least keep an open mind? Plus, theres no need to insult me. Do some research on it at least.....

[NorseBeast]

I do keep an open mind, except when it comes to the matter of yet another "OH NOES! The government is out to get me!" conspiracy theory.

[AdamRice]

At 7/26/07 03:17 AM, darkgift1 wrote: Oh sure. You guys call me crazy and shit. Expectced. Cant you at least keep an open mind? Plus, theres no need to insult me. Do some research on it at least.....

An open mind or an intelligent mind? Because my mind is telling me that you're wrong, they are fucking water vapor, CO2, and the odd unburned hydrocarbon.

[darkgift1]

At 7/25/07 08:12 AM, Draconias wrote: How can you identify a specific spell in the jet trails when they are hundreds of feet up in the air? I live in an area with a very high density of jet trails, and I have never noticed a particular smell related to the trails. The way you phrased your post makes this sound like another conspiracy-theorist type attack, not really an honest and open topic.

Also, what exactly is the issue here? Are you trying to argue for the banning of jets and similar aircraft from urban airspace, or what?

Chemtrails are alot closer to the ground and thicker. What Im trying to tell you people is to recognize these things and to sign a petition to ban them.

[darkgift1]

At 7/25/07 08:15 AM, IllustriousPotentate wrote:

At 7/25/07 07:02 AM, darkgift1 wrote: Yup.... Those lines in the skies all sprayed from the nozzles of unmarked jets.

Unmarked in this sense meaning "branded commercial airliners".

The earth glows.

It's called earthshine.

In some places you can see a halo around the sun or the moon.

Ice crystals. See?

What are these chemical lines, you ask?

No, I don't ask. Because any sane person with the least bit of scientific knowledge knows they are composed of water. THEY ARE FUCKING WATER.

Lots of theories are floating around out there.

All of them emanating from beneath tin foil hats, no doubt.

Regardless, I doubt that breathing in chemicals for an extended period of time can be too healthy.

That's why you need to laminate your tin foil hat so you don't come into contact with the metal.

Yet the government insists that millions of people are just "imagining it".

Because they are.

Millions of people are just "imagining" jets forming X and tic-tac-toe shaped lines in the skies that leave a weird smell behind.

You can smell things at 30,000 feet above you huh?

Some things that have been found in these chemtrails are barium, aluminum, and even human pathogens.

Source?

Theres a bunch more things that I cant remember, but I doubt that breathing all that in is very healthy at all.

If you're such an expert on "chemtrails" then you ought to be able to recite them.

Sign this petition. You wont lose anything.

Except your sanity in believing this nonsense.

Thers always people like you that just loooooove to insult people. I doubt that youve researched any of this. Okay. Earthshine and ice crystals. Ill take your word for it. As far as the trails themselves, theres chemtrails and contrails. Contrails are really high in the sky and are water comning from behind the jet. Chemtrials, however, are closer to the ground and thicker. Sometimes they are formed in to X's or tic-tac-toe patterns. These patterns sometimes cover entire towns. No, I cant smell things that are thousands of feet up in the air, but I can smell them when the particles eventually descend down onto the earth. You can find a source for the contents of these chemicals if you just google "chemtrails". Also, I never said that I was an expert on these things.

The insults were uncalled for too v_v

[darkgift1]

At 7/25/07 12:42 PM, Proteas wrote: ... he's worried about "chemtrails" thousands of feet up in the sky, yet he's not worried about smog, brushfires, or the shit in secondhand smoke DOWN HERE on earth?

How many idiots can there be?
Some say that its one out of three,
If you don't know then take it from me,
You're the DEE DEE-DEE.

Good point. But what would make you think that I DONT worry about those things? People have been bitching about smog and shit for years and years. Not much has really been done about them.

Also, the insulting is uncalled for XD

[darkgift1]

Once again to everybody, do some research before you post.

[AdamRice]

At 7/26/07 03:59 AM, darkgift1 wrote: Once again to everybody, do some research before you post.

Really? Kinda like how you did right? With no linked sources to back up your argument?
What about those tic tac toe patterns, do you have some pictures of this?

You can't just ran headlong into the politics board with a crazy conspiricy theory if you don't have redundant sources and proof to backup your claim.

[darkgift1]

Well I think that people should get off their lazy asses and go do their own research instead of relying on me to provide them with it. You want a source? Fine.

[IllustriousPotentate]

Thers always people like you that just loooooove to insult people.

I only insult people that bring it upon themselves. People that are naive enough into paranoia

I doubt that youve researched any of this.

Every legitimate source of knowledge disagrees with the whole notion of chemtrails.

Okay. Earthshine and ice crystals. Ill take your word for it.

You don't have to take my word for it. You can ask just about any accredited scientist, or anybody that's not a tin-foil hat wearing nut job, for that matter, and they'll tell you the same.

As far as the trails themselves, theres chemtrails and contrails. Contrails are really high in the sky and are water comning from behind the jet. Chemtrials, however, are closer to the ground and thicker.

Really? Every photo I see described as a chemtrail is interchangable with those of contrails.

Sometimes they are formed in to X's or tic-tac-toe patterns.

As are contrails.

These patterns sometimes cover entire towns.

Show us some examples.

No, I cant smell things that are thousands of feet up in the air, but I can smell them when the particles eventually descend down onto the earth.

And what do they smell like?

You can find a source for the contents of these chemicals if you just google "chemtrails". Also, I never said that I was an expert on these things.

You want to convince us to sign a petition, you find them and show them.

[darkgift1]

Okay man. Just go here

And think outside the box for once, will you?

[IllustriousPotentate]

At 7/26/07 05:43 AM, darkgift1 wrote: Okay man. Just go here

And think outside the box for once, will you?

I'll think outside the box when I see a valid reason to.

All I see is a bunch of psuedoscience, unfounded assumptions, non-sequitur arguments, and a general ignorance of atmospheric dynamics.

The symptoms of "Chem-illness" include sore throat, "flu-like" feeling, diarrhea, itchy eyes, abdominal pain, joint aches and pain, headaches, fatigue and respiratory illnesses; upper respiratory and blood infections, severe asthma attacks, dizziness, inability to 'get a deep breath".

How convenient is it that all of these symptoms are caused by chemtrails? Everything from pollen and pet dander allergies, to indigestion, to joint pain--all of these common maladies that people have experienced for eons, well before the invention of the airplane, all of these have the same symptoms as chemtrails!

In order for me to think outside the box, I need hard evidence.
> I want a picture of the part of the plane that sprays the chemtrails.
> I want to see purchase orders where whoever is spraying this bought these chemicals--and where they were produced.
> I want to see a scientific, laboratory study where chemtrail air samples are compared to control samples. From different areas.
> I want to see numerical, statistically significant correlations.

Not what you've presented. Not pictures of contrails claimed to be chemtrails, not amateur speculation, not anecdotal evidence, and certainly not anonymous claims that they refill the chemical tanks when they empty the lavaoratory.

[Elfer]

At 7/26/07 05:43 AM, darkgift1 wrote: Okay man. Just go here

And think outside the box for once, will you?

I've got to tell you, these really, really seem to be ordinary contrails.

[Proteas]

At 7/26/07 05:19 AM, darkgift1 wrote: Well I think that people should get off their lazy asses and go do their own research instead of relying on me to provide them with it.

Why should we? You're the one making the claim, you're the one trying to convince us that yours is the right viewpoint on the matter. Wouldn't it make sense that YOU should have to present evidence that supports YOUR claims?

And what happened to being above the whole insults thing, hm?

[ShardStorm]

At 7/25/07 09:13 AM, IllustriousPotentate wrote:

At 7/25/07 08:50 AM, Elfer wrote:

At 7/25/07 07:02 AM, darkgift1 wrote:

I tell ya, that dihydrogen monoxide will kill you!

It's one of the most addictive chemicals out there: take it from me, I started at a really young age and now they say it would kill me to stop.

[NHT123]

At 7/26/07 01:48 PM, ShardStorm wrote:

At 7/25/07 09:13 AM, IllustriousPotentate wrote:

At 7/25/07 08:50 AM, Elfer wrote:

At 7/25/07 07:02 AM, darkgift1 wrote:

I tell ya, that dihydrogen monoxide will kill you!

It's one of the most addictive chemicals out there: take it from me, I started at a really young age and now they say it would kill me to stop.

yeah I know, you can't live with out it lol/

Just to tell all the idiots out there di means two so it's di hydrogen meaning 2 hydrogen mono oxide meaning 1 oxygen atom.

it is simply water. God I can't beleive how stupid people are sometimes, people were writing huge petitions to ban it; what retards they never looked up what it actually was.

[LightandDark]

the guy who started this is a retard the whole damn thing is just another conspiracy theory, and if you want proof this is another retarded conspiracy theroy Here you go hopefully this proves that this guy does not know what he is talking about.

[darkgift1]

At 7/26/07 12:41 PM, Proteas wrote:

And what happened to being above the whole insults thing, hm?

Well the insults that were thrown at me were uncalled for =P

As for all of this being called a conspiracy theory........

Not everything is a conspiracy, but let's face it, those who strive for power are also those most likely to abuse it. The correct use of power requires integrity and wisdom, virtues human nature doesn't come with by default. They are acquired virtues and thus quite rare. It follows that due to this rarity, of those who gain power the majority will lack the integrity and wisdom to use it correctly. And so conspiracies arise, for conspiracies are nothing more than underhanded schemes of self-serving individuals bent on gaining and maintaining power.

This basic observation has held true for thousands of years, and being that power hungry individuals are also ruthlessly intelligent and persevering, enough time has passed for the establishment of gargantuan conspiracies designed to eventually give these madmen ultimate power over mankind.

I dont know what else to tell you...... You all seem to not be open to any change whatsoever. Heh....Youre all men arent you? Well whatever.... Ill just give you MEN a couple of links and hope that SOMETHING positive comes from them.

http://educate-yourself.org/ct/

http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20060 704.htm

http://www.carnicom.com/bio1.htmhttp://i mageevent.com/firesat/strangedaysstrange skies?p=66&n=1&m=-1&c=4&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=3

http://imageevent.com/firesat/strangeday sstrangeskies?z=3&c=4&n=1&m=-1&w=4&x=0&p =14

[LightandDark]

ok, what about this, NYC has a large amount of planes coming in and out, if these so call "chemtrails" exist, why hasn't the population died from poisoning from these chemtrails?

[darkgift1]

At 7/26/07 07:31 PM, LightandDark wrote: ok, what about this, NYC has a large amount of planes coming in and out, if these so call "chemtrails" exist, why hasn't the population died from poisoning from these chemtrails?

Supposedly, they dont KILL you. They make you sick. Plus, their not all chemtrails.

[LightandDark]

then shouldn't be a sickness epidemic going on right there, if they don't kill, won't it be supsicous that 25 people in the same day come to the hospital for a unknown sickness all expericing the same symptoms??? has that ever happen?

[IllustriousPotentate]

At 7/26/07 06:50 PM, darkgift1 wrote: I dont know what else to tell you...... You all seem to not be open to any change whatsoever. Heh....Youre all men arent you? Well whatever.... Ill just give you MEN a couple of links and hope that SOMETHING positive comes from them.

I am open to change. However, I don't stupidly jump on bandwagons without good reason.
In order for me to change, I need to see facts. Research. Studies.

Again. You want people to change, GIVE THEM FACTS!

> Show controlled, laboratory studies of the chemical composition of these chemtrails.

> Show a diagram or picture of the part of the plane that does the spraying.

> Show where purchase orders were made for the chemicals allegedly used.

> Show numerical, statistically significant correlations between the symptoms caused by chemtrails and their number, for various areas around the country.

FACTS.

[darkgift1]

At 7/26/07 07:44 PM, LightandDark wrote: then shouldn't be a sickness epidemic going on right there, if they don't kill, won't it be supsicous that 25 people in the same day come to the hospital for a unknown sickness all expericing the same symptoms??? has that ever happen?

HIV, Morgellons, SARS...... Those are epidemics. Some people are more immune to them than others.