I, too, will miss the list - but not because of my name in the ranks, but for the conversation, wit and debate that your posts brought to this thread. It is (was?) a labor of love, and even with the stat tool to help, that just isn't enough to counter the fact that things are just not the same anymore.

Even after the latest redesign, daily portal volumes have dropped and we are constantly besieged by cookie-cutter crap, spam and just plain garbage. We no longer can wield our votes and blow a whistle - everything requires a mod. Not sure if that's good or bad, but it didn't seem to help matters too much.

I think that if Tom and Wade want to bring this site back to it's glory, they should focus not just on advertising it, but completely rethinking the voting and points structure - and adding the logic to monitor voting patterns, along with bots that can temporarily (or permanently) ban a user from voting if they are profiled as "always voting up", "always blamming" or "voting on every submission every day" - or if they have too many submitted flashes being deleted by the admins / mods.

Also, there should be penalties for users that upvote a flash that later get blammed or deleted by the mods / admins. In that case, the user would lose 1 protection point - and if multiple instances occurred on the same day, maybe even more. User that upvote a flash that gets blammed only by other user votes are not penalized. Again, more stats can be accrued to see which users habitually upvote flashes that are administratively deleted - and these users can be disabled from voting as well.

Most of these ideas require some one-time coding on the NG site to capture all of the raw voting information , and then a handful of analysis tools combined with a parameter file that will sift through it all and determine who needs to be warned, temporarily shut down, or perma-banned. They could call it V-Bot.

I have plenty of ideas, and I am willing tovolunteer my time, effort , programming and database analysis skills to Tom, Wade, PsychoGoldfish or anyone else here who thinks there's some merit to my concepts, but doesn't have the time or resources. I would rather spend my time helping things get better here than watching this site continue to lose ground. This is a serious offer - and yes, it is pro bono!

As for you, Bahamut, my friend - I will bid the list adieu, but not you. I hope you stick around for a little while longer - maybe, just maybe, there's still time to turn this ship around.

*Salutes*

Oh, the new level icons are ugly, too.
How low will you sink, NG?

At 4/3/13 10:26 AM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: Oh, the new level icons are ugly, too.
How low will you sink, NG?

I'm gonna be honest, the only reason I started voting again was because I want my icon to be a shark with a laser beam attached to its head.

I hate to see the list go, but I can totally understand the reasons. I too find myself spending less and less time here. I just stopped B/Ping for now (hell, I voted 0 on so many flashes and still they passed. I don't want to be a Don Quixote fighting against windmills...), since I didn't enjoy it enough to carry on. So, that's less time I spent in the portal. And with that, I spent less time on the BBS as well (not that I spent too much time here to begin with...). Also, the thought of leaving the BBS has crossed my mind as well... Newgrounds has played a quite important part in my "online life" in the past few years. But since things seem to become worse and worse every day, I don't know for how long I can carry on coming here every day.

At 4/3/13 02:19 PM, DiMono wrote: I'm gonna be honest, the only reason I started voting again was because I want my icon to be a shark with a laser beam attached to its head.

But will you have enough time to enjoy it, before another redesign comes and changes all the icons again? :P

At 4/3/13 11:53 PM, Cootie wrote: Maybe you guys should start working on getting more of these...

I got 9 of them today! D:

At 4/3/13 02:19 PM, DiMono wrote:

At 4/3/13 10:26 AM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: Oh, the new level icons are ugly, too.
How low will you sink, NG?

I'm gonna be honest, the only reason I started voting again was because I want my icon to be a shark with a laser beam attached to its head.

The new icons are so tiny and so ugly. It saddens me that NG has sunk that low. The old ones were much better, I miss the golden icons which were designed for users above level 46.

At 4/4/13 12:17 AM, Metal-Therapy wrote:

At 4/3/13 11:53 PM, Cootie wrote: Maybe you guys should start working on getting more of these...

I got 9 of them today! D:

Most of them happened when I wasn't online yesterday. Sour about that.

So here's an idea for fixing the portal that I think is clever: if you don't get any blams in a given day, then you only receive credit for half the number of saves, and if you don't get any saves, then you only receive credit for half the number of blams. So for instance, if you voted 5 on 50 submissions that all pass judgment, but you don't vote 0 or 1 on any that fail, then you'd only get credit for 25 saves rather than the 50 you contributed to. So you can still only vote to save if you want to, but each save is only worth half that of someone who votes honestly.

I think this would allow for direct punishment on those who only vote to save, while not interfering with their ability to do so. The people who only vote 5 are doing it because it's statistically more likely to get them the point, but once it benefits them to vote to blam I think they'll start voting more fairly because it is in their best interest to do so. That's the thing that always seems to be looked over in solutions to this problem: people will vote fairly if it's in their best interest; right now it's in their best interest to always vote 5, so the way to stop that is to redirect the maximum benefit.

At 4/5/13 09:32 AM, DiMono wrote: So here's an idea for fixing the portal that I think is clever:...(etc)

Very interesting idea. Combine this idea with "if you upvote a flash and it is blammed / removed after initial passing (admin/mod removal - stolen, rule breaking, spam, etc), you lose 2 protect points" and that will also make people think twice before clicking "5". (If you upvote a flash but it is blammed by the rest of the community and never passes, you don't get penalized).

I agree with you - the current system is flawed to the point where it condones passing everything. The ideas we've kicked around shouldn't require massive programming changes - just some nightly analytical logic programming to check the voting and administrative processes and adjust points accordingly.

I wonder if Tom or Wade have any opinion on this?

At 4/3/13 11:53 PM, Cootie wrote: Maybe you guys should start working on getting more of these...

I only deposit my EXP now however when I do vote I vote 0-1 on flash that deserves to get blammed. But what is really sad is I barely touch the portal yet I get more blam points then some of the people who vote on almost every single flash.

At 4/5/13 09:32 AM, DiMono wrote: So here's an idea for fixing the portal

What about people who actually only vote to do one, but at the same time avoid flash movies that they feel would give them the result they wanted? Take toocool for example. He only votes to save flash movies yet he is known to avoid aka not vote on movies he knows will give him blam points.

I can also use myself in this one as well. Since most of the time I avoid protect point flash movies when I deposit and only go for things I think will get blammed. Should people like us who purposely avoid a certain type of point be penalized for this when we aren't pushing stuff to either pass or get blammed that doesn't deserve it?

At 4/6/13 10:40 PM, jaxxDS wrote: I think there's nothing wrong with voting on only a certain amount of flashes a day, and the system DiMino suggests, will punish these voters unfairly.

I totally disagree. Why should I be punished for being an extremely dedicated user? I rarely miss voting on a Flash movie/game that's Under Judgement these days and I consider myself to be one of the fairest voters on Newgrounds, so my question to you is, If I vote fairly and I vote on every Flash, every day, why the hell should I be punished for that? That's just ridiculous. It makes absolutely no sense at all, to punish those users that go out of their way for the betterment of this site does it?

Also if you were restricted to the amount of votes you could make on any given day, then the lists would become irrelevant and useless because if everyone was voting on a maximum of (let's say) 50 flashes a day and getting most of, if not all of their picks correct, then no-one would ever be able to pass anyone on the lists. Eg: (example only) Coop 100,000 -- gamejunkie 50,000 next week Coop 100,050 -- gamejunkie 50,050 next week Coop 100,100 -- gamejunkie 50,100 etc, etc, etc. You would have to rely solely on the users above you on the list leaving Newgrounds if you were hoping to gain a spot on the list and even then it would take forever.

At 4/7/13 12:24 AM, gamejunkie wrote: Also if you were restricted to the amount of votes you could make on any given day, then the lists would become irrelevant and useless because if everyone was voting on a maximum of (let's say) 50 flashes a day and getting most of, if not all of their picks correct, then no-one would ever be able to pass anyone on the lists. Eg: (example only) Coop 100,000 -- gamejunkie 50,000 next week Coop 100,050 -- gamejunkie 50,050 next week Coop 100,100 -- gamejunkie 50,100 etc, etc, etc. You would have to rely solely on the users above you on the list leaving Newgrounds if you were hoping to gain a spot on the list and even then it would take forever.

I interpreted jaxxDS message as: a user only voting on a few submissions in a specific day, and not voting on anything blamworthy on that particular day, would be unjustly punished if points were only given in full for users that actually receive a blam. Hope I understood that right...

As for the innovative idea above, I like the idea of righteous voting required to be fully rewarded, but instead of halfing points for users who don't both blam and save in a single day, how about giving a bonus percentage to the users who do? That way nobody would be on unjustly punished but dedicated users would still be rewarded.

At 4/5/13 09:32 AM, DiMono wrote: So here's an idea for fixing the portal that I think is clever: if you don't get any blams in a given day, then you only receive credit for half the number of saves, and if you don't get any saves, then you only receive credit for half the number of blams. So for instance, if you voted 5 on 50 submissions that all pass judgment, but you don't vote 0 or 1 on any that fail, then you'd only get credit for 25 saves rather than the 50 you contributed to. So you can still only vote to save if you want to, but each save is only worth half that of someone who votes honestly.

That is a stupid idea - you know why? Because I am a Blammer and getting zero blams in a day happened 14 times in the past month. I don't want to be penalised for a lack of Blams on my account, because a) Blammable content has not been submitted or b) not enough people have voted to blam as well as me.

You would be punishing fair voters like myself and I would view that as a gross miscarriage of justice.

At 4/5/13 09:32 AM, DiMono wrote: So here's an idea for fixing the portal that I think is clever: if you don't get any blams in a given day, then you only receive credit for half the number of saves, and if you don't get any saves, then you only receive credit for half the number of blams. So for instance, if you voted 5 on 50 submissions that all pass judgment, but you don't vote 0 or 1 on any that fail, then you'd only get credit for 25 saves rather than the 50 you contributed to. So you can still only vote to save if you want to, but each save is only worth half that of someone who votes honestly.

What Coop said. I regularly have days where I don't get any blam points and it's not because I'm not trying. I just vote blam on stuff that passes and don't catch any of the really bad ones.

I still think raising the minimum score for passing judgement would be the most effective and fair method of battling the problem.

At 4/7/13 02:29 PM, Auz wrote: I still think raising the minimum score for passing judgement would be the most effective and fair method of battling the problem.

Yeah, that's the best way, as pieces would need to reach a higher score after a number of votes to get through. Either that, or roll B/P out to Audio and Art as well, to get more people using the portal...

This is the end... My only friend, the end...

UPDATE 7th April 2013

Days to 100k B/P

Gagsy - 124.23
Pokemonpoeguygcn - 511.18
Idiot-Finder - 568.85
Auz - 569.94
Sentio - 577.21
MessiaH - 588.72
iscrulz - 631.85
DoctorStrongbad - 652.77
Cyberdevil - 956.71
ixfd64 - 981.12

Days to 50k B/P

Venom23 - 65.25
ThisAccountIsEpic - 104.18
Semaphore - 136.56
Jolly - 142.47
Metal-Therapy - 162.16
anubite13 - 226.54
Blitz-Mage - 271.78
staphita - 292.4
Exedor - 296.14
sushi13 - 297.92

Days to Supreme Commander

LiquidFire - 6.52
Tribal - 46.4
MatthewF - 53.1
DarKsidE555 - 60.85
Fleischmond - 66.09
SFS1313 - 68.41
jamesrules - 68.52
Psychopath - 84.9
Teach - 94.66
Crazylegend - 96.33

B/P Milestones

Commander - Psychopath; Teach

150,000 B/P - Toocool100
100,000 B/P - byteslinger. Congrats!
75,000 B/P - Idiot-Finder
55,000 B/P - ixfd64
45,000 B/P - ThisAccountIsEpic
25,000 B/P - Alkador; la-vitesse; ohbombuh; Teach; VampireTico666

Rank milestones

Special mentions

Pokemonpoeguygcn - Top 20
skatin-andy - Top 50
Cyberdevil - Top 60
Venom23 - Top 90

Top 100

Joining: Jolly
Leaving: Deleted user

Top 150

Joining: Cootie; DiMono
Leaving: Sonucais; Deleted user

Top 200

Joining: dx5231
Leaving: Deleted user

Top 250

Joining: MatthewF; Tribal
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Joining: Sirtroymoon
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288) 24431 0570 020.4 scipioafricanus 6
289) 24310 0037 001.3 LevelOneAccount -3
290) 24302 1010 036.1 Sirtroymoon 11
291) 24272 0000 000.0 Aci6 -4
292) 24240 0678 024.2 virturalrift 7
293) 24204 0178 006.4 final14 -3
294) 23986 0000 000.0 hongkongexpress -2
295) 23945 0022 000.8 Dent0n -2
296) 23777 0000 000.0 Lord-Darkaos -1
297) 23769 0011 000.4 jaded-snow -1
298) 23608 0000 000.0 sabosh
299) 23378 0000 000.0 lilhunter03 1
300) 23314 0115 004.1 jonthomson 3

At 4/7/13 04:17 PM, Bahamut wrote:

100,000 B/P - byteslinger. Congrats!

Nicely done!

103) 42953 0871 031.1 anubite13 5

Slowly creeping up on anubite still. It shouldn't be more than a month before I overtake him, at this rate. Lets see who makes the top 100 first. :P

104) 42755 1251 044.7 Metal-Therapy 6

Boy, it almost feels like Clock Day, seeing these kind of numbers on a b/p update. :P Anyway, I'm still chugging away, gaining over 1,000 b/p a month. I think I can smell the top 100 now.

Thanks for the update, Bahamut. It's really sad to see you go! :(

At 4/7/13 04:16 PM, Bahamut wrote: This is the end... My only friend, the end...

UPDATE 7th April 2013

Thanks for the final update!

049) 62136 0483 017.3 Haggard 2
050) 62015 0000 000.0 Seamonky -2

I'm glad I could go two up on the final update. I am also happy to finally have entered the top 50 in B/P (on this list as well as on the NG stat page). But that's just it. I won't go any further than that. At least not for the time being.

Maybe I will start B/Ping again once I get passed and thus get kicked out of the top 50. That was a retirement goal I thought about before... so I guess I'll give it a try. :)

At 4/1/13 10:11 PM, Bahamut wrote: It's funny, this time two years ago I set up an April Fools joke on the B/P update saying I was done with making the updates and was sick of feeding savewhores. Now we've just gone past April Fools for this year and here I am having thoughts to give it up for the same reasons. After two years and a redesign that really should have shaped up the portal's standards, we're still stuck with the same problems and they've hardly improved. If anything, it's worse as a few have established already.

What a way to ruin my birthday. You suck.

But seriously, thank you so much for all that you've done stats wise over the various lists that you've maintained. I've been there, done that and collected T-Shirts, but we are mere disciples of gfoxcook and Denvish, with their lists... well, maybe I am more of a disciple, whereas you probably have transcended to their level, keeping this baby going for as long as you did, after all...

At 4/7/13 04:16 PM, Bahamut wrote: 006) 136724 0006 000.2 Wylo
007) 132340 0500 017.9 ViceFullbuster
008) 116331 0803 028.7 Coop

9th on the all time list and no real sign of when I'll take another step up. Oh well, I'll keep plugging away and hopefully get somewhere, before I'm done on Newgrounds, but with lists falling off, there seems to be less and less of an incentive to continue, which is a real shame.

Thank you Bahamut. So long and thanks for all the fish, as the Douglas Adams saying goes. It's been great fun, but please carry on with the Exp list, as it's all we have left of yours now...

Hmm... I'm wondering who that deleted user is. Does anyone know?

At 4/7/13 04:16 PM, Bahamut wrote: UPDATE 7th April 2013

Thanks for this most memorable of updates! Shame to see the list fall into an abyss of abandonment, but it was fun while it lasted. If this gets picked up and updated I'm bound to have made some extraordinary progress, so I'll be looking forward to that, whenever ifever it happens.

At 4/7/13 01:33 PM, Coop wrote: That is a stupid idea - you know why? Because I am a Blammer and getting zero blams in a day happened 14 times in the past month. I don't want to be penalised for a lack of Blams on my account, because a) Blammable content has not been submitted or b) not enough people have voted to blam as well as me.

You would be punishing fair voters like myself and I would view that as a gross miscarriage of justice.

Oh for sure there would be a period of a week or two where we fair voters (I'm one too) would get penalized. But once the 5-whores figure out that they need blams to get the most out of the portal, they'll start looking for submissions to vote 0 or 1 on, and things will even out. I don't know about you, but I'm willing to give up a couple hundred points for the good of the site.

At 4/8/13 08:49 AM, DiMono wrote: Oh for sure there would be a period of a week or two where we fair voters (I'm one too) would get penalized. But once the 5-whores figure out that they need blams to get the most out of the portal, they'll start looking for submissions to vote 0 or 1 on, and things will even out. I don't know about you, but I'm willing to give up a couple hundred points for the good of the site.

No, you wouldn't - you'd find that the save whores would start hunting in packs and submissions that don't deserve to be destroyed get blammed, just to give them all a daily blam. That makes the system worse.

At 4/7/13 04:16 PM, Bahamut wrote: This is the end... My only friend, the end...

Sad but understandable... can't say I blame you. I will miss the witty repartee and social commentaries of this fine thread - unless someone else picks up the list. I'll just have to stalk you on the EXP forum....hehehe...

UPDATE 7th April 2013

Days to 100k B/P

Gagsy - 124.23

Soon....

B/P Milestones

Commander - Psychopath; Teach

150,000 B/P - Toocool100
100,000 B/P - byteslinger. Congrats!
75,000 B/P - Idiot-Finder
55,000 B/P - ixfd64
45,000 B/P - ThisAccountIsEpic
25,000 B/P - Alkador; la-vitesse; ohbombuh; Teach; VampireTico666

Well done by all...and it was quite serendipitous that I breached the 100K barrier on this last update. Looks like I'll be at #12 (real rank) for a long time...

The LIST

001) 193794 0961 034.3 AfroUnderscoreStud
002) 176863 0824 029.4 DrJam
003) 174303 1193 042.6 Punisher
004) 164909 0004 000.1 harryjarry
005) 151046 1183 042.3 Toocool100
006) 136724 0006 000.2 Wylo
007) 132340 0500 017.9 ViceFullbuster
008) 116331 0803 028.7 Coop
009) 115479 0000 000.0 courtday
010) 112943 0757 027.0 Ehwaz003
011) 100150 0828 029.6 byteslinger 2
012) 100017 0000 000.0 ramagi -1
013) 100014 0000 000.0 Denvish -1
014) 96251 0000 000.0 ReconRebel
015) 96211 0854 030.5 Gagsy

Looks like Coop is not going anywhere for a while, either...but Gagsy has three idle accounts above her, so all she has to do is keep fighting the good fight and soon she'll be the 13th user to break 100K. You go, girl!

Even if Ehwaz were to stop B/Ping altogether (yeah, right) at 200 pts. per week it would take me 14-15 months to pass him. But since he's active, I'll probably never pass him in my lifetime. That's okay - I think I'm going to focus more on blams - be a bit more critical of everything coming through the portal. I don't need the points, so maybe it's time for a change...

With that, I bid you a final thank you, Bahamut - your efforts, time and conversation has always been appreciated.

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At 4/8/13 08:49 AM, DiMono wrote:

At 4/7/13 01:33 PM, Coop wrote: That is a stupid idea - you know why? Because I am a Blammer and getting zero blams in a day happened 14 times in the past month. I don't want to be penalised for a lack of Blams on my account, because a) Blammable content has not been submitted or b) not enough people have voted to blam as well as me.

You would be punishing fair voters like myself and I would view that as a gross miscarriage of justice.

Oh for sure there would be a period of a week or two where we fair voters (I'm one too) would get penalized. But once the 5-whores figure out that they need blams to get the most out of the portal, they'll start looking for submissions to vote 0 or 1 on, and things will even out. I don't know about you, but I'm willing to give up a couple hundred points for the good of the site.

Gentlemen, I think we have all touched upon different partial solutions to this problem, and there may not be a clear-cut answer. The voting system can be programmed to be more intelligent, to look for patterns in voting, to determine who's constantly up-voting regardless of outcome or who's voting on every flash 24/7/365, and to have a set of rules that penalizes those users who don't seem to be playing fair in the long run. But here's the rub: what is the best way to implement these changes?

If it hasn't been done so already (I haven't checked) there should be a thread for "Fix The Voting System" where we can post our ideas and comments on what may help make and keep the voting process fair for all. Some will be good, and others not, but it will be place where PsychoGoldfish, Tom and the rest of the NG Programmers can read through it, get ideas and work out a plan to bring balance back to Newgrounds.

I do know this - if it's not changed soon, this place will become a dump for any trash uploaded. The mods and admins are fighting the fight, but they are people, and they get tired and frustrated over everything that's not working right. Some back off - and some leave altogether. I have seen the ranks of the EGB dwindle, and the NGPD disappear altogether. Yes, users get older, go to university or get jobs and wind up busy IRL - that's normal. But usually, as some leave, new users join and work up the ranks. We're not seeing that anymore - the user pool is becoming stagnant. There are plenty of new users submitting flash and voting - but no one seems to be interested in keeping the balance anymore.

The site layout is nice - but how can we get the word out to all the up-and-coming flash / audio / etc. artists that this is the place to not only upload and showcase your work, but to see what others are doing and help them along with constructive criticism and fair voting?

How does Newgrounds become "NEW" again?

Sorry about the rant - but it's these underlying issues that need to be answered before we all chew each other up in frustration.

As for me - I'm still going to fight the good fight, and help any way I can. It's not an easy job - but it's what I signed up to do!

*Salutes*

At 4/8/13 11:01 AM, byteslinger wrote: or who's voting on every flash 24/7/365

I hit almost every single flash, give or take a couple a day. It's not how many submissions a day you vote on, it's how you vote on them. Putting a couple of your ideas together though, people who vote on 80%+ of submissions and vote 5 on all of them would be a valid target, I think.

At 4/7/13 04:16 PM, Bahamut wrote: This is the end... My only friend, the end...

Aw man :(

I thought this was going to be an April's fools joke, but I guess it's for real then. It's sad to see this list go, but on the other hand it is understandable.

014) 96251 0000 000.0 ReconRebel
015) 96211 0854 030.5 Gagsy
016) 91161 0223 008.0 FattyWhale
017) 90881 0448 016.0 Auz
018) 87590 0602 021.5 Sentio
019) 83572 0728 026.0 iscrulz
020) 82565 0955 034.1 Pokemonpoeguygcn 3

I'm starting to lag behind. I just can't find the time to watch the portal as closely anymore these days. With 16.0 a day I feel like I'm still doing fairly well, considering.

Thanks for the update Bahamut, and thank you very much for keeping this list up for so long.

I'll make some comments later; I don't have enough room right now. ^^;

UPDATE #1: APRIL 15, 2013

Top 5 Pacers

001) 0388 048.5 Venom23
002) 0386 048.3 Teach
003) 0384 048.0 EventHorizon
004) 0383 047.9 Metal-Therapy
005) 0382 047.8 MessiaH

Top 300/List entry

Joining: None.
Leaving: Dent0n, Lord-Darkaos, jaded-snow, sabosh, lilhunter03, jonthomson.

Badge & B/P Milestones

Supreme Commander - LiquidFire
Commander - vampireTico666

Rank Milestones

dx5231 - Top 200

Enjoy the update!

The LIST

40+ per day BPers are bolded, 8+ rank climbers are italicised.

001) 194088 0294 036.8 AfroUnderscoreStud
002) 177065 0202 025.3 DrJam
003) 174668 0365 045.6 Punisher
004) 164914 0005 000.6 harryjarry
005) 154756 0000 000.0 Armissea
006) 151398 0352 044.0 Toocool100
007) 136727 0003 000.4 Wylo
008) 132666 0326 040.8 ViceFullbuster
009) 116604 0273 034.1 Coop
010) 115479 0000 000.0 courtday
011) 113173 0230 028.8 Ehwaz003
012) 100412 0262 032.8 byteslinger
013) 100017 0000 000.0 ramagi
014) 100014 0000 000.0 Denvish
015) 96367 0156 019.5 Gagsy (+1)
016) 96251 0000 000.0 ReconRebel (-1)
017) 91192 0031 003.9 FattyWhale
018) 90991 0110 013.8 Auz
019) 87889 0299 037.4 Sentio
020) 83817 0245 030.6 iscrulz
021) 82854 0289 036.1 Pokemonpoeguygcn
022) 82332 0000 000.0 schneelocke
023) 82321 0000 000.0 MPA
024) 81752 0000 000.0 RemRulzz
025) 80294 0000 000.0 Phantom
026) 77777 0000 000.0 Bahamut
027) 77622 0000 000.0 Rule
028) 76929 0312 039.0 DoctorStrongbad
029) 76563 0048 006.0 Patcoola
030) 76110 0000 000.0 bila
031) 75808 0370 046.3 Idiot-Finder
032) 74899 0382 047.8 MessiaH
033) 72962 0012 001.5 XwaynecoltX
034) 72061 0000 000.0 Nightforce666
035) 70761 0000 000.0 azteca89
036) 70406 0000 000.0 gfoxcook
037) 68603 0000 000.0 BonusStage
038) 68547 0035 004.4 BlueHippo
039) 68539 0035 004.4 DonDoli
040) 68257 0000 000.0 Qwoxyl
041) 66491 0022 002.8 leeboy105
042) 66073 0000 000.0 Rabindarath
043) 64539 0292 036.5 Martin (+1)
044) 64360 0000 000.0 Newgrundling (-1)
045) 64227 0215 026.9 Dream-of-Duke
046) 63808 0030 003.8 Voidist
047) 63449 0000 000.0 ouandyoi
048) 63391 0254 031.8 georgeproject
049) 63045 0275 034.4 skatin-andy
050) 62143 0007 000.9 Haggard
051) 62015 0000 000.0 Seamonky