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http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/reviews /250037/15/score
Reviewers: coling729, dark-k9, Flare-Angel

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/reviews /274223/62/score
Reviewers: SasukeUchiha1111, micheljackson (these two are the contradictory kinds)


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At 5/13/08 07:52 PM, PinballWizard976 wrote:
I disagree. If you spent 4 hours drawing a picture, trying to make everything perfect, shading, everything. And all of a sudden, someone comes up, and says "Wow, that completely sucks". Wouldn't you get kinda angry? It's your work, and when somebody criticizes it, they're criticizing you. Also, when you review something, it says:
If you are giving this submission a low score, please offer constructive criticism that will be useful to the artist. The review space is not a place for you to act like a total asshole. If your review is found to be mean, offensive, or generally not helpful, you will be banned and your account may be terminated

I want to add a point to your argument. In terms of reviews that say.. "Wow, that completely sucks", you're correct that it doesn't help the author in anyway but its not acting against the author, just his work. Sure, your likely to get angry at these type of remarks, but artists shouldn't see these comments as "insults", no in some cases, the reviewer might say what about it "sucks" and that would in term could be considered helpful while in the other case, if the review offers no reason as to why it "sucks" it would be absolutely pointless thus unhelpful.

In terms of the review guideline stating...
If your review is found to be mean, offensive, or generally not helpful, you will be banned and your account may be terminated in my opinion, thats very strongly worded to ward off abusive reviews. Reviewers that are running amok and completely abusing the review system is more likely to be banned & account terminated. The Bans will be determine by the review moderator's judgment, depending on the severity of the review abuse.

Making a pointless review versus a criticizing review is two completely different ideas. When someone criticizes a submission, (not in this case) they are offereing their opioion on what they didn't like, or what can be improved. When criticizing you, they are questioning your abilities and judgment, and depending on the context, can be considered abusive.

*A note on spam submissions, if a review is found to accuse them rightfully as spammers, don't flag them as abusive. Read Bob's Newspost for more info.

Mind you, reviews that are born of pure idiocy will be considered abusive.. i.e. one-worded spam reviews, reviews that doesn't relate to the submission in any form, flooding, etc. Well, I'm just speaking my mind. :-)

At 5/14/08 02:43 AM, omegafinal wrote: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/reviews /250037/15/score
Reviewers: coling729, dark-k9, Flare-Angel

Flare-Angel's review is completely pointless, but I don't believe its within grounds of the abusive guidelines.


http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/reviews /274223/62/score
Reviewers: SasukeUchiha1111, micheljackson (these two are the contradictory kinds)

Alright regarding these two reviews, it's just a harmless mistake on their part. Some reviewers make that mistake of accidentally giving a 0, and there is absolutely nothing abusive about these reviews. Thanks for your efforts though.

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At 5/14/08 12:49 PM, Aevo300 wrote: Plenty here...
<a>http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/revi ews/396271

Make sure to get the couple in there that say BLAM.


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At 5/14/08 02:14 PM, BR wrote: extremedood (spam again...)

Every time I see you write "spam" I think "oh shit, chain letter" but am sorely disappointed to find basic spammy reviews. ^_^

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At 5/14/08 07:04 AM, BR wrote:

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/reviews /274223/62/score
Reviewers: SasukeUchiha1111, micheljackson (these two are the contradictory kinds)
Alright regarding these two reviews, it's just a harmless mistake on their part. Some reviewers make that mistake of accidentally giving a 0, and there is absolutely nothing abusive about these reviews. Thanks for your efforts though.

Yeah, in some ways I wished NG added a Digg-style editing system at least to have them make last minute changes to their reviews, thus keeping these good reviews/zero score types to a minimal.


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Since when were reviews like "HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA" abusive?

Sure, if the reviewer is consistently writing reviews like that (leaving a low score and all that), then throw the book at him. But I don't see why one or two of the aforementioned reviews are so bad.

I've had a couple of reviews like that deleted off my submissions (albeit my submissions are crap), and I was a little annoyed. Ok, they're not constructive, but I don't care, and I bet your arse other authors don't care, either.

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At 5/14/08 03:32 PM, deckheadtottie wrote: Since when were reviews like "HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA" abusive?

It's in the faqs...

Do not post TONS and TONS of crappy reviews just to get high in the rankings. If we catch someone doing this we will delete all their reviews - wouldn't that be a pain in the ass? Take your time and write a sincere review for every movie you wish to critique. Make sure your review is relative to the submission. Reviews that are found to offer no benefit to the author may be deleted

And also

Do not flood the review title or body. Examples would be long strings of characters or words with no breaks or repeating words or phrases over and over. Do not submit images made from text and characters, as this will also get you banned

Basically it's spam and some review mods consider spam reviews abusive...

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Alright. Could this be flagged?:

There's this guy that posts hentai on his userpage so he wants to get more hits and he goes to hentai games and movies and reviews them saying: "that was good! check out my page for hentai pics!"

Could that be flaggable?

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At 5/14/08 04:22 PM, Phantox wrote: Alright. Could this be flagged?:

There's this guy that posts hentai on his userpage so he wants to get more hits and he goes to hentai games and movies and reviews them saying: "that was good! check out my page for hentai pics!"

Could that be flaggable?

Yes only if he does not provide further insight about the flash movie/game. Also, it's promoting his userpage which is totally irrelevant to the review.

Do not use the review space for the purpose of promoting things. Stick to reviewing the movies - we don't want to hear about how great your website is. Also, posting links to websites that reward you for sending hits is prohibited; we will delete your account for the first offense with no warning. Posting unrelated links is also prohibited and will result in a ban.

Otherwise stay off it.

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At 5/14/08 03:48 PM, Eli216AkAMcdoAddict wrote: Do not post TONS and TONS of crappy reviews just to get high in the rankings.

Posting one or two reviews like "HAHAHAHA" does not make someone a stat whore.

Do not flood the review title or body. Examples would be long strings of characters or words with no breaks or repeating words or phrases over and over.

Again, why penalise someone for posting a review like that? Are you trying to scare new users away? If a user is consistently and deliberately reviewing in that style, then yeah, ban him. Otherwise, I honestly don't see the problem here.

Basically it's spam and some review mods consider spam reviews abusive...

So now it's up to the reviews mods if they don't like reviews on MY submissions? Not that I blame the review mods, I blame you guys for being a bunch of stat whores who care for nothing else other than a shiny whistle.

Besides, if it's only "some", why take the risk flagging it? You guys cry enough about having, horrors of horrors, a garbage whistle.

Please, don't give me that BS about "trying to clean up the site".

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Here you go!

Link

We've got two reviewers saying that the guy below them is an asshole and retarded, respectively. I'm pretty sure that's against the rules...

Oh, the list is moving fast as it's a new submission, so you might want to click on the "reviews" link and scroll down a bit.


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At 5/14/08 07:14 PM, pigeonmaster88 wrote: The traveler
Reason: unconstructive (and stupid) review.

Nope. Just useless.

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At 5/14/08 02:24 PM, Malachy wrote:
At 5/14/08 02:14 PM, BR wrote: extremedood (spam again...)
Every time I see you write "spam" I think "oh shit, chain letter" but am sorely disappointed to find basic spammy reviews. ^_^

Ha, sorry Mal, I guess I'm not superstitious enough to finding these review; and replacing "flooding title" with "spam" is just too irresistible. ;-)

At 5/14/08 03:06 PM, omegafinal wrote:
Yeah, in some ways I wished NG added a Digg-style editing system at least to have them make last minute changes to their reviews, thus keeping these good reviews/zero score types to a minimal.

That would be a godsend! It has worked wonders with the userpages, but its possible it won't be implemented due to a score's factor on choosing Review Crew Pick / Underdog submissions. Just a guess.

At 5/14/08 03:32 PM, deckheadtottie wrote:
I've had a couple of reviews like that deleted off my submissions (albeit my submissions are crap), and I was a little annoyed. Ok, they're not constructive, but I don't care, and I bet your arse other authors don't care, either.

You're right, authors may not care, but review mods will. These type of deleted reviews is likely to spur again in another submission, and through deletion of the reviews and being notified by m-bot or a mod, will the reviewer realize his mistake(s).

At 5/14/08 05:30 PM, deckheadtottie wrote:
At 5/14/08 03:48 PM, Eli216AkAMcdoAddict wrote: Do not post TONS and TONS of crappy reviews just to get high in the rankings.
Posting one or two reviews like "HAHAHAHA" does not make someone a stat whore.

No, but writing loads of shitty reviews do. The guideline is just stating to avoid this kind of behavior.


Do not flood the review title or body. Examples would be long strings of characters or words with no breaks or repeating words or phrases over and over.
Again, why penalise someone for posting a review like that? Are you trying to scare new users away? If a user is consistently and deliberately reviewing in that style, then yeah, ban him. Otherwise, I honestly don't see the problem here.

Personally, I wouldn't find reviews that say "HAHAHAH" as abusive unless they extend it to some spam nature say... "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH... etc" though technically it falls as a one word review. These kind of review would be penalized because its spam. It's not hard to write a single sentence. Not to mention it can just continue to carry on in other reviews. The bans isn't necessary permanent, it all depends on the context of the abusive review and a review moderator's judgment.

So now it's up to the reviews mods if they don't like reviews on MY submissions? Not that I blame the review mods, I blame you guys for being a bunch of stat whores who care for nothing else other than a shiny whistle.

The review mods responsibility is to look over any alerted/otherwise abusive reviews, often found by flaggers. If the reviews is deemed abusive or breaking a guideline, it's deleted. It doesn't matter if its on your submission.

Who are you generalizing as stats whores? I certainly haven't seen anybody comment "I want a Deity whistle!!". You yourself have a deity whistle.... You should know well what it took to get your "shiny whistle". Lot of guys here are working in the same course of actions as you probably may have but in some cases, the review mods will find abusive reviews outside from this thread. I don't understand why your trying to blame anyone for reviews, you didn't give a shit about.

Besides, if it's only "some", why take the risk flagging it? You guys cry enough about having, horrors of horrors, a garbage whistle.

Who's crying? The people here with garbage whistle are working to renew that, and perhaps they have learned what is abusive or what is not so that flagging no longer becomes a risk.

Please, don't give me that BS about "trying to clean up the site".

We all have different objectives in mind in this thread, maybe to just dig oneself out of garbage whistle, or maybe by off-hand, spotted a abusive review / stolen submission that needed to be reported. Whatever the case may be, it'll always lend to "cleaning up the site".

I do respect your opinion in this but don't take out your "annoyance" on the flaggers from this thread.

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http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/43 9596 - Dodoman1er //more or less saying it's stolen
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/reviews /439606 - Jawdyn //" you are gay"
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At 5/14/08 07:25 PM, HeavyTank wrote: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/40 8967
Krono69er promotes a site from the review space...

All his reviews are ads.


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At 5/14/08 04:27 PM, Eli216AkAMcdoAddict wrote:
Yes only if he does not provide further insight about the flash movie/game. Also, it's promoting his userpage which is totally irrelevant to the review.

Do not use the review space for the purpose of promoting things. Stick to reviewing the movies - we don't want to hear about how great your website is. Also, posting links to websites that reward you for sending hits is prohibited; we will delete your account for the first offense with no warning. Posting unrelated links is also prohibited and will result in a ban.
Otherwise stay off it.

Alright then. Here's the link

Starfire Hentai Parody, Hentai - 50 pics, Bleach Hentai Quiz, Bowser & Peach (Hentai), Raven TeenTitans Hentai 2, Raven Teen Titans Hentai, Aisha Outlaw Star Hentai

All those can be flagged because he promotes his userpage.

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