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You all should remember that private corporations have a certain right to Exclusivity; even though modern western society should and does veiw it as wrong.

People of course don't deem what a person might say against a caucasian as rascist because they're not used to that kind of thing, plus you have people like the KKK, an organization for the 'so called' protection of white people's rights making any attempt at pointing the finger of acused rascism at people who arn't white... rather.... Earie.

At 7/23/07 04:26 PM, TheDreamingMan wrote:

Well thats a nice list there, but it's not like they were installed for nothing. Just as theres a black history month and if you somehow, someway believe those were put in to discriminate against whites is crazy to me, they were put in to level the playing field, look at Equality and Equity. So you can understand the difference.

hmm, well there is no Asian history month, and they've been discriminated against, there is no mexican history month and they suffer much the same problems as blacks.

All I'm going to say is blacks word gladly trade all their "advantages" to swap places with whties and I think that explains it all right there. So complain all you want about what they have and what whites don't, only realize whites have so much more than you could even imagine.

you say "the whites have" as if we all live in mansions with 50 inch color television and sleep in beds lined with money. I'm no better off than many blacks, I live in a shoddy 1 room apartment, I work at Waffle House, with many black folk as well, even the manager is black. However, despite my current lowly state, I am working on an online college course in order to improve myself. To escape that "black position of nothingness" that you so feverishly preach about, you need an education! I went to a public school, a pretty shitty one at that. The teachers didn't too much care and would pass anyone, and I looked around, and I'll tell you EXACTLY why the blacks are in such a lowly position, they don't care. The parents need to push their children to learn all they can, and not to do drugs and try to fit into the whole "rapper lifestyle" that seems so prevalent, because that is destroying black society. I see many blacks in the trailer park across the street from me living in a ratty rundown trailer, "In the ghetto" basically, driving around brand new vehicles, cars so nice that the car note would pay for a much better apartment. they wear piles of gold jewelry, some of them even somehow manages to afford some diamonds. How can you possibly blame the white man for holding you down, when you live a rapper lifestyle that emphasizes luxury over necessity?

A good education trumps any social problems, problem is, many people don't WANT a good education. My manager is as black as coal, but I don't hear HIM screaming "Racist" every 5 minutes.

huh? err, could I get a mod to remove my last message? somehow I managed to post it...twice.

At 7/23/07 07:38 PM, Korriken wrote:

At 7/23/07 04:26 PM, TheDreamingMan wrote:

Well thats a nice list there, but it's not like they were installed for nothing. Just as theres a black history month and if you somehow, someway believe those were put in to discriminate against whites is crazy to me, they were put in to level the playing field, look at Equality and Equity. So you can understand the difference.

hmm, well there is no Asian history month, and they've been discriminated against, there is no mexican history month and they suffer much the same problems as blacks.

True they have been discriminated against but no where on the level or as long as blacks have been in the united states. I do agree they suffer many of the same problems although.

All I'm going to say is blacks word gladly trade all their "advantages" to swap places with whties and I think that explains it all right there. So complain all you want about what they have and what whites don't, only realize whites have so much more than you could even imagine.

you say "the whites have" as if we all live in mansions with 50 inch color television and sleep in beds lined with money. I'm no better off than many blacks, I live in a shoddy 1 room apartment, I work at Waffle House, with many black folk as well, even the manager is black. However, despite my current lowly state, I am working on an online college course in order to improve myself. To escape that "black position of nothingness" that you so feverishly preach about, you need an education! I went to a public school, a pretty shitty one at that. The teachers didn't too much care and would pass anyone, and I looked around, and I'll tell you EXACTLY why the blacks are in such a lowly position, they don't care. The parents need to push their children to learn all they can, and not to do drugs and try to fit into the whole "rapper lifestyle" that seems so prevalent, because that is destroying black society. I see many blacks in the trailer park across the street from me living in a ratty rundown trailer, "In the ghetto" basically, driving around brand new vehicles, cars so nice that the car note would pay for a much better apartment. they wear piles of gold jewelry, some of them even somehow manages to afford some diamonds. How can you possibly blame the white man for holding you down, when you live a rapper lifestyle that emphasizes luxury over necessity?

A good education trumps any social problems, problem is, many people don't WANT a good education. My manager is as black as coal, but I don't hear HIM screaming "Racist" every 5 minutes.

Not only education, but poverty ( which plays the biggest role) play big roles into the social problems of today. Education isn't free. That list you made earlier with the United Negro College & Affirmative action and etc, what do you think they're there for? Well its to better them selfs financially and educationally. Theres inequalities in both educational and poverty.

Middle Class White Americans probably share just as many financial problems as minorities do, but collectively as group, which is the way you must look at it as, whites have far less hardships than blacks.

At 7/23/07 04:31 AM, Jerconjake wrote: Begin your attacks on my reasoning... now!

Your name is Jerconjake.

At 7/23/07 09:11 AM, Begoner wrote:

You can't kill a father and say you don't owe the son anything.

So if the murderer is dead too, his completely innocent descendents should be put in prison? Please.

At 7/23/07 10:59 PM, MundaneSoul wrote:

At 7/23/07 04:31 AM, Jerconjake wrote: Begin your attacks on my reasoning... now!

Your name is Jerconjake.

I must concede that point.

If anybody here doesn't owe minorites anything here, it's me. My ancestors didn't own slaves, they came here from italy, 80+ years ago, long after we got rid of the indians.

Now, I'm not going to yell, not going to get my tomahawk ready to scalp you, nor am I gonna dance around a sacred circle, try and get my ancestors to raise from the dead, and kill you and your family, No I won't do that. But, please, try to get into our shoes, we didn't kill or steal this land from anyone, when my ancestors came over, they had to cross a land bridge of ice, with nothing but a few warm blankets, and some food, they came, and migrated south, and southeast and west, we didn't kill anyone.

Now, my OTHER ancestors, On my moms side, came over, and decided nice land, lets get it. What the settlers did was far worse then what most assume happened, not only did they do genocide, spred disease like peanut butter, and kill off the main supply of food for the Natives, they gave them whiskey, alcohol, which of course, they soon became quickly addicted.

You talk as if, the only bad thing that happened was a quick death but my people, were slowly corrupted, and assimilated into white society, which is worse then genocide, do you know how hard it must have been for them to swallow their pride and take food rations because the hunting grounds they lived on for so long was not theirs anymore? Their culture was and is better then ours.

But, and sorry for double posting, but if your ancestors were like Irish, or not English or Spanish, then yes you probably don't owe minorities much because, if i'm wrong, it was the English that stole Native Americans land first, and took black slaves first. The Rest of Europe was content with their stuff they had. So Jerconjake, if you are mostly of Scotish, Irish, German, or any other Nationality, then yeah, you don't owe us, wait, I'm mostly Italian, THEM, much at all, but I'm sure you'd help them if they really needed something right?

Your reasoning is nothing compared to mine.(see below)
They've both been re-payed for all the injustices done to them already, for the ones who are still behind it isn't our fault anymore. Sorry but it's true, slavery is bad and the native americans basically getting their asses kicked all the way to the west coast really isn't cool at all, but the ones who were alive when the US woke up and knocked it off ((completely)) they were payed back as much as was possible. So if you're still at a disadvantage DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!! It's completely possible feasible and realistic.

At 7/23/07 07:23 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: You all should remember that private corporations have a certain right to Exclusivity; even though modern western society should and does veiw it as wrong.

People of course don't deem what a person might say against a caucasian as rascist because they're not used to that kind of thing, plus you have people like the KKK, an organization for the 'so called' protection of white people's rights making any attempt at pointing the finger of acused rascism at people who arn't white... rather.... Earie.

Well the KKK isn't pro-white it's anti everyone else, it sure as hell didn't start that way but it is that way now. Rascism is a universal problems, there's rascist in every single race. Simple as that.

Also, while private corporations have a right to be exclusive it often gets them in trouble for rascism when all they are really doing is choosing the more qualified candidate. Want an example? Two students wanted to get into a college, one was black and the other was white. The white one had better grades and should have gotten it because she was more qualified, they gave the last slot to the black one because she was black and they'd had problems with rascism in the past.

:hmm, well there is no Asian history month, and they've been discriminated against, there is no :mexican history month and they suffer much the same problems as blacks.

there's also no Irish history month and they were enslaved too, the only race (in the united states) with a history month is african americans.
Acknowledging past mistakes is all well and good but don't make a bigger deal of it than you need to, otherwise you'll just go overboard and freak a whole bunch of people out.

At 7/23/07 11:21 PM, Jerconjake wrote:

At 7/23/07 09:11 AM, Begoner wrote:

You can't kill a father and say you don't owe the son anything.

That's a good point you raised, unfortunately it was rewarded with this answer below.

So if the murderer is dead too, his completely innocent descendents should be put in prison? Please.

Yes.

At 7/24/07 03:46 PM, TonyTostieno wrote:

Want an example? Two students wanted to get into a college, one was black and the other was white. The white one had better grades and should have gotten it because she was more qualified, they gave the last slot to the black one because she was black and they'd had problems with rascism in the past.

Do you remember where you saw that?

Immigrants that came in the 1920s had it much worse than blacks today. Don't expect me to pity them because they hold themselves back.

At 7/23/07 08:25 PM, TheDreamingMan wrote: whites have far less hardships than blacks.

wow thats one of the single most unintelligent things ive ever heard.
i didnt know it was a hardship to get scholarships because of race. i didnt know it was a hardship to get jobs that you dont deserve just because youre black.
man, sounds real tough huh?
any man in the united states can become wealthy regardless of race. its about will. if you dont work hard you live in poverty.
so since you say poverty is a hardship for minorities maybe they should:
1. get a valid USA id.
2. get a job.
3. work.
4. dont do drugs.
5. dont get involved in gangs.
6. dont do any illegal things.

if any man does that he can live a wealthy life.

At 7/24/07 08:25 PM, The-JefFlet wrote: if any man does that he can live a wealthy life.

Don't forget an education. Can't get anywhere without those.

At 7/23/07 09:15 AM, AfroJustice wrote: good generalization u racist. most blak ppl dont think much bout slavery b/c its in the past, but wut we do think bout is today. we r still poor, still sufferin, and such.

God damn you are such a prickish sterotypical racist.
Shut the hell up already. You're not poor. You're not suffering. If your poor where'd you get your computer from, hm? Go on, say you stole or something stupid along those lines, because then your following your sterotype.
If you're suffering then go on and say how your suffering.
C'mon now. The only racists now are in detroit in and in the south.
Jesus fucking christ. I'm not even sure if your really black OR above the age or 12 yet alone 24.
Now, go on you little prick. Call me a racist. I'd say the same thing if you were white.
Honestly. It's YOU not your race, so stop falling back to racism.

Back on topic..
I agree fully with the OP.
There are no slaves, no slavery anymore.
Any race can do whatever any other race can.
From FaggotJustice's point a white person can be poor and live in the 'ghetto.'
A black person or indian can invent something and get rich.
It's all the same, almost everybody is on a level playing field now, I don't know why every problem or fault must fall back to racists and racism.

At 7/24/07 08:25 PM, The-JefFlet wrote:

At 7/23/07 08:25 PM, TheDreamingMan wrote: whites have far less hardships than blacks.

wow thats one of the single most unintelligent things ive ever heard.
i didnt know it was a hardship to get scholarships because of race. i didnt know it was a hardship to get jobs that you dont deserve just because youre black.
man, sounds real tough huh?
any man in the united states can become wealthy regardless of race. its about will. if you dont work hard you live in poverty.
so since you say poverty is a hardship for minorities maybe they should:
1. get a valid USA id.
2. get a job.
3. work.
4. dont do drugs.
5. dont get involved in gangs.
6. dont do any illegal things.

if any man does that he can live a wealthy life.

http://www.ala.org/ala/oif/iftoolkits/to olkitrelatedlinks/equalityequity.htm

At 7/24/07 09:40 PM, TheDreamingMan wrote:

http://www.ala.org/ala/oif/iftoolkits/to olkitrelatedlinks/equalityequity.htm

while that is a problem with minorities, its not the biggest problem. THIS is the biggest problem concerning blacks and mexicans.

At 7/23/07 04:09 PM, Begoner wrote: However, the US government did support slavery and thus owes something to those who were affected by it.

Something similar should be provided for those who were victims of slavery or the Native American genocide.

So you're going to cut checks to the people effected by those injustices and then do... what? Leave them on their gravestones?

Amd you never answered my question; what about folks like me? I'm a middle class white American Male, you KNOW I've never been effected by slavery, yet I still have African American Slaves in my family tree. How do you rationalize reperations being fair and just when you know folks like me (and my dozens of relatives) will all get in on this reperations mone, hm?

At 7/24/07 09:08 AM, Inferno42 wrote: If anybody here doesn't owe minorites anything here, it's me. My ancestors didn't own slaves, they came here from italy, 80+ years ago, long after we got rid of the indians.

And yet (as someone so astutely pointed out earlier), in order to pay for reperations to white descendants of slaves like me, it would come out of YOUR TAX MONEY.

Now ain't that just a BITCH?

At 7/24/07 10:11 PM, Proteas wrote:

At 7/23/07 04:09 PM, Begoner wrote:

Now ain't that just a BITCH?

Well, if it makes you feel anybetter.

Slave holding families like mine would still have to pay.

And if the Indians want money, I would still have to pay.

So, I'm fucked either way.

At 7/24/07 10:06 PM, Korriken wrote:

At 7/24/07 09:40 PM, TheDreamingMan wrote:

http://www.ala.org/ala/oif/iftoolkits/to olkitrelatedlinks/equalityequity.htm

while that is a problem with minorities, its not the biggest problem. THIS is the biggest problem concerning blacks and mexicans.

Nope, I agree that is indeed a problem. That is another form of exploitation I'd like to say though. The biggest problems are education and poverty, no doubt about it.

At 7/24/07 10:17 PM, TheDreamingMan wrote: The biggest problems are education and poverty, no doubt about it.

I thought there were libraries in the ghetto?

At 7/24/07 10:22 PM, zambota wrote:

At 7/24/07 10:17 PM, TheDreamingMan wrote:

I thought there were libraries in the ghetto?

When was the last time you went to the library?

At 7/24/07 10:17 PM, TheDreamingMan wrote:

Nope, I agree that is indeed a problem. That is another form of exploitation I'd like to say though. The biggest problems are education and poverty, no doubt about it.

well, considering that very few of ANY race get to go to a private school, I would say we're all in the same boat, I went to a small town school that pretty much let everyone pass, and everyone did, except those who got killed or expelled. Many of the students, also many of them black, made the most out of their education and are in college and well on their way to being successful. School, no matter how good the school is, can only teach the willing. Those who WANT to learn WILL learn, those only interested in who's pussy they're gonna pound on saturday night won't be successful.

A good education begins at home, parents aren't pushing their kids to learn. Instead, they allow the kids to do whatever they please, which is a problem. Consider this, many people come from places that are WORSE than an american ghetto, and become successful.

As was said before, to be successful a minority only has to do this.
1. pay attention in school, all this takes is some discipline and self motivation. Even if the school is a seriously shitty school, making good grades can still get you father than saying "to hell with it"

2. stay away from the rap/gang culture, this will kill your education faster than anything else. This is a hard one for anyone, not just for minorities, People tried to pressure me, a white guy, into the whole rap culture, however I knew that was a 1 way ticket to a shitty life.

3. stay off drugs, this is a no brainer.

4. STUDY! you have to study.

5. to hell with what the "cool" kids think and say about you, if it becomes a problem, learn to fight and kick their asses! I did! they picked on me for being the fat kid, and I beat em down.

6. talk to the teacher, teachers can help you on any problem you may have in school... unless they are complete morons, but then you got the Internet, which IS AVAILABLE TO ALL, thanks to libraries. Go to the local library and use their PCs, its 100% paid for by taxes! if you can't walk, get a parent to take you, if the parent won't take you, find someone else who can! The library is a goldmine of information, you simply have to make use of it. if all else fails, most schools have a computer lab with an internet connection, if your school doesn't, bitch out the school board until they DO. I didn't have the internet until AFTER I graduated high school, but I made downright liberal use of the school and public library's internet.

Parents should also stay on top of their kid's education, if they are failing the parents need to know, if they don't know, then they fail as parents. Sending a kid to school and assuming they are doing good is no way to do it. a monthly trip to the school to speak with the teachers will help more than you think, the teacher and parent(s) can let each other in on information that could alter a kid's entire life for the better.

At 7/24/07 10:23 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: When was the last time you went to the library?

Bout a decade. But that's what that guy said in Chapelles block party something alot the lines of " stop blaming the white man for all your problems and make something of yourself, cause theres libraries in the ghetto and if not call your local politician" yea.

At 7/24/07 11:05 PM, zambota wrote:

At 7/24/07 10:23 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

Bout a decade. But that's what that guy said in Chapelles block party something alot the lines of " stop blaming the white man for all your problems and make something of yourself, cause theres libraries in the ghetto and if not call your local politician" yea.

See, thats a good idea.

Helping oneself is also a very good thing, because most people won't help you.

But have you seen some of the innercity libraries.

It's about equality of opportunity, not equality of outcomes, but, naturally, outcomes must only be no lower than a base standard of living. Everyone is owed at least that.

Libraries and so forth are just examples of things that ought be equal...

At 7/24/07 11:13 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

See, thats a good idea.

Helping oneself is also a very good thing, because most people won't help you.

But have you seen some of the innercity libraries.

helping oneself is the ONLY way to get anywhere, no one will help you very much. Yes, I have seen some of the inner city libraries, they had Pcs connected to the internet, which in turn, is the greatest source of information in the world. Even if you have to set up appointments to use a computer, do so. you must whatever it takes to get an education.