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At 7/23/07 05:45 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: then I wonder why instead of upholding their traditions and keeping their land unspoiled, they build gigantic Casinos, resorts, and other developments on their reservations?

Unspoiled? I thought you would know this. They desecrated the land, not respected it. Sure they prayed thanks to the animals and tree's but they fucking wiped out small areas. But they were inbreeds, so thriving children was a hard thing to come by since things such as diabetes and genetic abnormalities thrived in a tribe. So the numbers were low. And they migrated in a sort of massive circle, so when they get back to the start again, the land has grown back. That's only if you near sea level. Things 2000, 3000 etc feet high took decades to recover. And the ones that lived near a river all year long killed so many salmon species dwindled because they couldn't reproduce.

After reading the post in this thread, it seems to me that most of you are diluting how long ago racism was prominent in the united states.

You can't put a stamp on when racism ended, but as far as putting on stamp on where it became less prominent I would say that was during the end of the African-American \Civil Rights Movement which ended in 1968.

You guys know how long ago that was? 2007 - 1968 = 39. It's only been 39 years. And no 39 years isn't a long time. I feel blacks have come a long way in that short amount of time and will only go further in the years to follow.

Now I agree with you guys when you say, black people must move on because but, there are still 2 generations of people who where born into a time where racism was prominent in the united states and telling them to just simply move on is ignorant, because it something that you just don't move on with you have to live with it.

The original poster is right about not owing "minorities" anything, but that doesn't change the fact the effects racism still exist, and I think you'd have to be naive to think all of that has passed already, remember it hasn't been that long.

At 7/23/07 03:05 PM, TheDreamingMan wrote: After reading the post in this thread, it seems to me that most of you are diluting how long ago racism was prominent in the united states.

You can't put a stamp on when racism ended, but as far as putting on stamp on where it became less prominent I would say that was during the end of the African-American \Civil Rights Movement which ended in 1968.

still, racism is all but dead, get over it. blacks screaming "racist America!" is about as the same level as a southerner screaming "The south will rise again!" blacks are not systematically discriminated against and the south will not rise again.

At 7/23/07 03:16 PM, Korriken wrote:

At 7/23/07 03:05 PM, TheDreamingMan wrote: After reading the post in this thread, it seems to me that most of you are diluting how long ago racism was prominent in the united states.

You can't put a stamp on when racism ended, but as far as putting on stamp on where it became less prominent I would say that was during the end of the African-American \Civil Rights Movement which ended in 1968.

still, racism is all but dead, get over it. blacks screaming "racist America!" is about as the same level as a southerner screaming "The south will rise again!" blacks are not systematically discriminated against and the south will not rise again.

Well there is Institutional racism whether you believe so or not. Sure, it's not very prominent, almost dead = dead, racism can never die because its more or less an idea. Theres still things we can improve on, I don't know how you can honestly believe that the effects left from when racism was prominent have all just passed in this short amount of time.

I'm not saying that it has passed, however, it will never pass as long as people refuse to let it go. its like a child, if you never let your grown child go to pursue their own life, then they will remain at home forever and will never be rid of it. sure, racism still exists, but minorities, except asians, who don't need them, have the tools and even the laws in place to succeed.

Don't believe me? Here's a small and incomplete list of things that blacks get that whites do not.

United Negro College Fund (there are no whites only college funds, I have looked. well there is one that awarded to a single person for $50, whoopy. also it is considered racist and some colleges won't accept it, ironic.)
Racial quotas in college
Affirmative action

that lists only a tiny tiny handful of things that blacks and other minorities get that whites not only don't get, but some things that even hamper them. Racial Quotas in college means that no matter how good the whites score, there will be a certain percentage of whatever minorities in the school, no matter how high or low they score, which last time I checked is discrimination.

Wait oooh, I have a thought! Let's see what happens if we apply the stupid concept that people should be repayed for what happened long ago, to my own personal case.

Now, in addition to my Arab and German ancestry, I have a very, very small portion of my ancestry consisting of Phoenician Jews who lived in the region that is now northern Lebanon and Southwest Syria. It's pretty well established that they descended from the Jewish migrants who fled from their slavery in Egypt.

Now if we apply the logic that blacks should be repayed for their ancestors being slaves to MY case just for fun, we can see how stupid it is:

Since I descended from people who were oppressed and enslaved by Egypt, in accordance with the wacky logic exuded by some blacks, I should be able to DEMAND that modern Egypt give me reparations, even though the oppressors (ancient Egyptians) and oppressees (ancient Jews I partially descended from) are NOT ALIVE TODAY, and the implications and result of the oppression have absolutely zero effect on my life today. I'm going to move to Egypt and demand that they enact affirmative action in my case, and give me special treatment, and allow me to live off of their social services. Oh, and I'm going to commit a shitload of crime and when I get arrested, I'm going to blame the current leaders of Egypt for what the Pharaoh did 4000 years ago.

At 7/23/07 02:32 PM, Korriken wrote: I want MY check Because I'm irish and the irish were discriminated against during the potato famine.

The discrimination was not sponsored by the state (except in preventing Irish migration); thus, you should not expect the state's support in dealing with its extant effects. However, the US government did support slavery and thus owes something to those who were affected by it.

The Japanese were put in interment camps during WW2, but you don't hear THEM bitching now do you?

Actually, they were compensated for their suffering, albeit much later on -- in 1988, a law was passed granting all those who were subjected to internment $20,000 dollars. Something similar should be provided for those who were victims of slavery or the Native American genocide.

http://www.internmentarchives.com/showdo c.php?docid=00055&search_id=19269

well, you shouldn't give someone something for something they didn't suffer.

Yes, you should. It's the next best thing to do. You can't simply sweep slavery under the rug and pretend it didn't happen -- the government must pay for condoning it.

If nothing else, with Affirmative action, blacks get priority over whites!

No, they most certainly do not. There is subtle discrimination targeted against blacks everywhere -- sometimes it's even quite overt. Only the extremely ignorant and cloistered can actually believe that blacks are favored over whites -- it's absurd.

At 7/23/07 04:09 PM, Begoner wrote:

The discrimination was not sponsored by the state (except in preventing Irish migration); thus, you should not expect the state's support in dealing with its extant effects. However, the US government did support slavery and thus owes something to those who were affected by it.

If the generations 150 years after the abolishment of slavery are still in poverty, that's their own damn fault.

Actually, they were compensated for their suffering, albeit much later on -- in 1988, a law was passed granting all those who were subjected to internment $20,000 dollars. Something similar should be provided for those who were victims of slavery or the Native American genocide.

No!

Take this from an Indian when I say:

We natives should not be rewarded with anything. We have been rewarded enough.

Like I said, I got a $20,000 grant (plus others). Kind of like those Japs receiving their $20,000. Only I still get more money than them off of the government.

Yes, you should. It's the next best thing to do. You can't simply sweep slavery under the rug and pretend it didn't happen -- the government must pay for condoning it.

No, it should not.

No, they most certainly do not.

Yes. Today, in this age, it certainly does. Why should anyone be hired based on skin color rather than work eithic?

There is subtle discrimination targeted against blacks everywhere -- sometimes it's even quite overt. Only the extremely ignorant and cloistered can actually believe that blacks are favored over whites -- it's absurd.

There is stupidity in what you say.

At 7/23/07 03:39 PM, Korriken wrote: I'm not saying that it has passed, however, it will never pass as long as people refuse to let it go. its like a child, if you never let your grown child go to pursue their own life, then they will remain at home forever and will never be rid of it. sure, racism still exists, but minorities, except asians, who don't need them, have the tools and even the laws in place to succeed.

Don't believe me? Here's a small and incomplete list of things that blacks get that whites do not.

United Negro College Fund (there are no whites only college funds, I have looked. well there is one that awarded to a single person for $50, whoopy. also it is considered racist and some colleges won't accept it, ironic.)
Racial quotas in college
Affirmative action

that lists only a tiny tiny handful of things that blacks and other minorities get that whites not only don't get, but some things that even hamper them. Racial Quotas in college means that no matter how good the whites score, there will be a certain percentage of whatever minorities in the school, no matter how high or low they score, which last time I checked is discrimination.

lol@ racism passing. Again, its not something that can be erased it will always exist. Just as we can't rid the world terrorism we just have to keep fighting it. They're ideologies. We have to live with it. That doesn't mean just sit there and take it.

Well thats a nice list there, but it's not like they were installed for nothing. Just as theres a black history month and if you somehow, someway believe those were put in to discriminate against whites is crazy to me, they were put in to level the playing field, look at Equality and Equity. So you can understand the difference.

All I'm going to say is blacks word gladly trade all their "advantages" to swap places with whties and I think that explains it all right there. So complain all you want about what they have and what whites don't, only realize whites have so much more than you could even imagine.

At 7/23/07 04:26 PM, TheDreamingMan wrote:

All I'm going to say is blacks word gladly trade all their "advantages" to swap places with whties and I think that explains it all right there. So complain all you want about what they have and what whites don't, only realize whites have so much more than you could even imagine.

I have a question for you then.

Is there still discrimination against Indians?

At 7/23/07 04:28 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 7/23/07 04:26 PM, TheDreamingMan wrote:

All I'm going to say is blacks word gladly trade all their "advantages" to swap places with whties and I think that explains it all right there. So complain all you want about what they have and what whites don't, only realize whites have so much more than you could even imagine.

I have a question for you then.

Is there still discrimination against Indians?

Indian Mascots? Perhaps the casino stereotypes but, not much more comes to mind at the moment.

At 7/23/07 04:31 PM, TheDreamingMan wrote:

Indian Mascots? Perhaps the casino stereotypes but, not much more comes to mind at the moment.

Yep.

So I just want to know that anyone would think that in this day and age, why discrimination against blacks would still be such an epidemic?

At 7/23/07 04:33 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 7/23/07 04:31 PM, TheDreamingMan wrote:

Indian Mascots? Perhaps the casino stereotypes but, not much more comes to mind at the moment.

Yep.

So I just want to know that anyone would think that in this day and age, why discrimination against blacks would still be such an epidemic?

It's not an epidemic, but it exist on very small levels, yet a alot higher than that Indian example. Everyone can discriminate. I think I needs to be stated. I just feel that people who say "discrimination doesn't against" are ignorant. Of course its not like "No Colors Allowed" discrimination. It's much more institutionalized like I have said before.

At 7/23/07 03:39 PM, Korriken wrote: United Negro College Fund (there are no whites only college funds, I have looked. well there is one that awarded to a single person for $50, whoopy. also it is considered racist and some colleges won't accept it, ironic.)
Racial quotas in college

hey wait a minute wasn't there a supreme court case that made those quotas unconstituional? I thought it was califrnia vs. bakke or something like that, i demand a likn for college quotas.

At 7/23/07 02:32 PM, Korriken wrote:

I tell you what begoner, you give me ONE solid reason for handing a paycheck to every black in america and I will give you FIVE reasons not to! Let's have a test of wits, Sheeple Vs Average Lower-middle class white guy.

hypocrisy isn't cool and reverse discrimination is just that. Racism is never good and using racism to make amends? that won't work. I agree with you korriken.

At 7/23/07 04:09 PM, Begoner wrote:

At 7/23/07 02:32 PM, Korriken wrote: I want MY check Because I'm irish and the irish were discriminated against during the potato famine.

The discrimination was not sponsored by the state (except in preventing Irish migration); thus, you should not expect the state's support in dealing with its extant effects. However, the US government did support slavery and thus owes something to those who were affected by it.

Really? I thought they just allowed slavery, not actually benefited from it (yes i know individual plantations obviously benefited but not the governemtn itself)

The Japanese were put in interment camps during WW2, but you don't hear THEM bitching now do you?

Actually, they were compensated for their suffering, albeit much later on -- in 1988, a law was passed granting all those who were subjected to internment $20,000 dollars. Something similar should be provided for those who were victims of slavery or the Native American genocide.

http://www.internmentarchives.com/showdo c.php?docid=00055&search_id=19269

well, you shouldn't give someone something for something they didn't suffer.

Yes, you should. It's the next best thing to do. You can't simply sweep slavery under the rug and pretend it didn't happen -- the government must pay for condoning it.

We're not pretending it didn't happen, we're jsut saying that we should not pay money to people who were not slaves, if you can find me a 200 something year old black man who was a slave and is still alive then sure let's give him a check, everyone else who only has dead ancestors who were slaves won't get anything. If we really wanted to pretend slavery did not exist we would get rid of black history month (which we should anyway for other reasons I don't want to get into), but evne if, if we wanted to delete slavery from our history books, we would've done so by now, and evne if we still wanted to not giving reperations won't do it.

If nothing else, with Affirmative action, blacks get priority over whites!

No, they most certainly do not. There is subtle discrimination targeted against blacks everywhere -- sometimes it's even quite overt. Only the extremely ignorant and cloistered can actually believe that blacks are favored over whites -- it's absurd.

It's different on a school to school basis, some blacks receive 'subtle discriminaton' and in other places where affirmitice action exist, blacks have an advantage over whites. The very nature of affirmitive action is giving black people an advantage over whites in certain places, it has been here long enough, and it is reverse discrimination no matter how you look at it.

At 7/23/07 04:41 PM, TheDreamingMan wrote:

It's not an epidemic, but it exist on very small levels, yet a alot higher than that Indian example.

Yep.

So why is it that we still have affirmative action if it only exists on very small levels. Even if those who own business would discriminate against blacks, why would they now risk it?

And I actually enjoy seeing indian mascots.

At 7/23/07 04:55 PM, FatherTime89 wrote:

, and it is reverse discrimination no matter how you look at it.

Sorry Father Time, just a point of order.
There is no such thing as "reverse discrimination"

There is only discrimination. Unfortunately it goes on all the time & effects everyone of all races .

At 7/23/07 05:21 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

At 7/23/07 04:55 PM, FatherTime89 wrote:

, and it is reverse discrimination no matter how you look at it.

Sorry Father Time, just a point of order.
There is no such thing as "reverse discrimination"

There is only discrimination. Unfortunately it goes on all the time & effects everyone of all races .

by that I mean stuff that favors black over whites as a way to pay back discriminaiton against blacks, I thought that was the name for it.

At 7/23/07 05:21 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

At 7/23/07 04:55 PM, FatherTime89 wrote:

, and it is reverse discrimination no matter how you look at it.

Sorry Father Time, just a point of order.
There is no such thing as "reverse discrimination"

There is only discrimination. Unfortunately it goes on all the time & effects everyone of all races .

I agree. This is a good article on affirmative action aka reverse discrimination.

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-reversed iscrimination.htm

At 7/23/07 05:30 PM, FatherTime89 wrote:
by that I mean stuff that favors black over whites as a way to pay back discriminaiton against blacks, I thought that was the name for it.

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You are correct , people esp. the news agencies use it all the time.
Its just incorrect.
Discrimination in any way, is just that ,discrimination.

Whya re there no major figures trying to distroy the myth of race rather than promoting it?

Politically incorrect way to put it, but sure, why not.

At 7/23/07 04:09 PM, Begoner wrote: No, they most certainly do not. There is subtle discrimination targeted against blacks everywhere -- sometimes it's even quite overt. Only the extremely ignorant and cloistered can actually believe that blacks are favored over whites -- it's absurd.

Lame, Begoner. I'm Mexican-American and how do you think the Amnesty (failed) legislation colors me at work and in school. People assume that I want all "my relatives" to come on over and throw one big fuckin' party (although that would be pretty cool).

I could honestly care less about discrimination, because at the end of the day no one's looking out for me but my family and myself. Government handouts cripple more than they help.

At 7/23/07 04:09 PM, Begoner wrote:

Actually, they were compensated for their suffering, albeit much later on -- in 1988, a law was passed granting all those who were subjected to internment $20,000 dollars. Something similar should be provided for those who were victims of slavery or the Native American genocide.

yeah, the tiny tiny handful that were still alive got something. I agree, all who were in slavery should... oh wait, THEY'RE ALL DEAD! problem solved! also, you would have to prove that the person was in fact descended from a slave, and that would have to be descendants of ALL slaves, including non blacks who had a slave in the family tree.

http://www.internmentarchives.com/showdo c.php?docid=00055&search_id=19269

well, you shouldn't give someone something for something they didn't suffer.

Yes, you should. It's the next best thing to do. You can't simply sweep slavery under the rug and pretend it didn't happen -- the government must pay for condoning it.

I have to roflcopter on this statement. if the government paid reparations, where do you think the money would come from? Taxes. Taxed paid by everyone, they would have to impose a new tax in order to pay for reparations, which would be wrong, because when everyone would suffer for the black man's greed, and Why should I have to suffer? my ancestors were all in ireland and france when slavery was around. MY family did nothing wrong. Also, you can't punish someone for something their ancestors did.

If nothing else, with Affirmative action, blacks get priority over whites!

No, they most certainly do not. There is subtle discrimination targeted against blacks everywhere -- sometimes it's even quite overt. Only the extremely ignorant and cloistered can actually believe that blacks are favored over whites -- it's absurd.

Perhaps if you stopped pretending to be an ostrich and looked around, you could see that you are deluded, considering all the benefits blacks get, and the fact they get all the same educational opportunities that whites get. you keep saying "discrimination" and "racist" when there is no cause for it. you speak as if there are signs on the doors of schools and businesses that explicitly say "No blacks need apply." or "Darkies not welcome" you say that there are "subtle discrimination" well shit, I can point out discrimination against whites in almost everything myself. Watch this..

Black Entertainment Television is racist against whites because they only show movies about blacks.
The United Negro college fund is racist against whites because whites cannot partake of the benefits.
Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are racist because they only speak of helping blacks, never whites.
the NAACP are racist for only helping blacks, never whites.
The Women's Help Network is sexist because it doesn't help men.
the NBA, and NFL are racist because the majority of its players are black, they should ensure as 50/50 black white split on every team, regardless of how bad it would harm the teams.

See my point? probably not...

Oh man, it is both painful and sad to read some of these posts. It think that many people would change their minds about this thread if they were to take a few sociology classes and actually did some serious research into these matters instead of repeating sound bytes they heard from somewhere else. If this is not the case then forgive my presumptiveness but I've heard all these arguments all the time.

Most of what is being talked about here is the reproduction of inequality. Success in life essentially takes two things, personal motivation and life chances (i.e. opportunities). One of the biggest (not the end all be all but most significant) determining factors as to how well one will be off in life is the family they grew up in. Simple example, a richer family can provide more opportunities for their children (learning materials, private schools, ACT/SAT prep classes, pay for college) than a poorer family. Fact of the matter is Black people and Native Americans started off poor due to deprivation of resources from the US Government. Thus it is a generational depravity that continues for almost all of the people in these race categories. Yes, there are some exceptions, but the

Because guess what? In this life and in this part of the world we've all started on a more or less level playing field.

Actually we haven't if you check out the poverty statistics, Native Americans, Blacks, and Hispanics rank some of the highest.

Secondly, most Indians weren't "butchered", disease killed almost all of them, the actual "butchering" wasn't that often, and the Indians had their fair share of murderous rampages as well. The diseases were introduced by Europeans for the most part, but the vast majority of Indians weren't killed intentionally. It sucks that a lot of the unique Native American cultures were destroyed, but that wasn't an intentional thing (except for what Spanish conquistadors did).

This could not be farther from the truth. Many Native Americans died defending their right to live on their land. Much of which was out right taken from them by force or stolen by broken treaties. Yes, many died of disease but there are also instances of white "settlers" purposely giving Native Americans blankets infected with diseases. Some religious leaders are even documented as saying that the deaths of the Natives is a blessing from God so they can now claim their land. If you want to argue a Social Darwinist perspective on how countries are made then you should check into the facts that make Social Darwinism wrong.

I always find it funny when people say something like that. Indian reservations are all over, in every state. They have desert where their ancestors lived in desert, tropical areas, alpine areas, grasslands... all over.

I don't know show many reservations you have been to or studies but the vast majority of them are not what you would call desirable.

Also, Indian's aren't confined to their reservations, they are US citizens, they can go anywhere, PLUS they have reservations. They have more privileges than non-natives do.

Poverty has a lot to do with access to transportation. Access to transportation has a lot to do with getting a job. Getting a job has a lot to do with getting out of poverty/staying out of poverty. Oh noes, a cycle! If you don't have the first it is a lot harder to have the ones that follow.

Wtf are you talking about? They are still US citizens, they can go anywhere and do anything any other American can. It appears as if you think they are locked away in their reservations...

If only it were that easy do you think they would purposely choose to live in poverty? Racial discrimination still exists in hiring and other aspects of life be it personal or systemic discrimination. An example is that a Black man making $75,000 a year is still more likely to be turned down for a home mortgage than a white man making between $45,000 and $60,000. They also get paid less on average than their White counterparts.

Furthermore, just because official slavery was outlawed doesn't mean that all of a sudden Black people had the same living conditions as white people. There were the Jim Crow laws that prevented any sort of equality. To call people in these groups lazy is also wrong, seeing as how many studies show that if you give them the opportunity to work for a better life they more than likely will. A lot of theft crimes are done out of a deemed sense of necessity and tied into poverty. Yes, there are deviant that will do it regardless, but far less crime rates in areas of less poverty.

Finally, people should not have to be told to "get the fuck out" of a place where they grew sup just because they want to improve it and have the same opportunities and lifestyles that others are enjoying.

At 7/23/07 07:25 AM, andrease wrote: So what youre saying is that the capture of slaves and transporting them from africa was good, just because their now living relatives lives a better life? And that the extermination ( ok, i know there is some still living) of the native population of Northen america?
That means that russia can invade the usa and capture alot of people and transport them back to russia. Because maybe russia will be the richest and most powerful country in the world in 50 years. Who knows? I doubt that the slave owners thought they were doing the slaves a big favor..

1) That's a straw man argument; he's saying that he's angry at blacks [which you shouldn't be, try to be more specific because i HATE generalizations; ["I'm angry at certain African americans who state that..."] Because they're Rants about events that occured 200 years ago are taking large sums of money from Citizens who have no dirrect connection to slavery at all. And that modern african americans are slightly lucker then african families who were never en-slaved; as modern day africa has severe problems of it's own.

2) like i said again; he probably wasn't considering the point you made about russia and slavery when he made the post

3) And i beleive the poster already acknowledges that whites didn't enslave blacks in hopes of giving them more opportunity when they were free'd.

At 7/23/07 09:15 AM, AfroJustice wrote:
good generalization u racist. most blak ppl dont think much bout slavery b/c its in the past, but wut we do think bout is today. we r still poor, still suffering, and such.

Before this I say that it sucks that black people have had to work so hard up until the 60's just to get equal rights and even then it was hard. I believe they are valued members of American culture. I believe they should get equal opportunity in jobs and just life in general.

Now that I've said that I'm going to say this.

SHUT UP! As extreme as his post was (It's stupid to tell people to go back to africa) he's not far from the truth. I think people, even black people, are getting quite sick of the black culture exploiting all the problems in the past as an excuse to do get special treatment currently. You literally can't say anything close to offensive without being labeled as a racist.

I am not a bigot or a racist, but when you talk "generalizations" and you instantly call you call him a racist. Did he call you "Boy" or "Monkey" or *GASP* did he use the N-word? That dreaded word that is a bane on this culture and still the black race continue to use it.

I'm not saying a majority of black people use racism as an excuse to get what they want, but the ones who do are completely selfish and despicable. It's a kind of racism on its own to blame the white man for all the problems. Hey, I admit that we suck, but I didn't crap myself. I don't judge on race or color I judge the person by the content of their character.

It seems everyone has forgotten Martain Luther King Jr.

At 7/23/07 07:04 PM, Korriken wrote:

Perhaps if you stopped pretending to be an ostrich and looked around, you could see that you are deluded, considering all the benefits blacks get, and the fact they get all the same educational opportunities that whites get. you keep saying "discrimination" and "racist" when there is no cause for it. you speak as if there are signs on the doors of schools and businesses that explicitly say "No blacks need apply." or "Darkies not welcome" you say that there are "subtle discrimination" well shit, I can point out discrimination against whites in almost everything myself. Watch this..

You know what is really funny is the reason Affirmative Action is around is because generally speaking many minority students go to secondary schools in poverty neighborhoods which are underfunded. Thus, they don't get the same quality of education that other students in richer (and coincidentally predominantly white) neighborhoods do. This seriously affects their chances to get into college and break out of poverty. Hence, affirmative action. What is interesting to consider is that a parents alumni status gets more kids into college than Affirmative Action.

Black Entertainment Television is racist against whites because they only show movies about blacks.
The United Negro college fund is racist against whites because whites cannot partake of the benefits.
Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are racist because they only speak of helping blacks, never whites.
the NAACP are racist for only helping blacks, never whites.
The Women's Help Network is sexist because it doesn't help men.
the NBA, and NFL are racist because the majority of its players are black, they should ensure as 50/50 black white split on every team, regardless of how bad it would harm the teams.

See my point? probably not...

The thing that sucks is that there are also poor white students and people as well. Poverty is a bitch. Proportionally speaking, minorities have a higher rate. Still fact of the matter is that minorities have more against them than whites such as individual and systemic discrimination. Does this negate or diminish the struggle of the poor white people? Absolutely not.

At 7/23/07 04:26 PM, TheDreamingMan wrote:

Well thats a nice list there, but it's not like they were installed for nothing. Just as theres a black history month and if you somehow, someway believe those were put in to discriminate against whites is crazy to me, they were put in to level the playing field, look at Equality and Equity. So you can understand the difference.

hmm, well there is no Asian history month, and they've been discriminated against, there is no mexican history month and they suffer much the same problems as blacks.

All I'm going to say is blacks word gladly trade all their "advantages" to swap places with whties and I think that explains it all right there. So complain all you want about what they have and what whites don't, only realize whites have so much more than you could even imagine.

you say "the whites have" as if we all live in mansions with 50 inch color television and sleep in beds lined with money. I'm no better off than many blacks, I live in a shoddy 1 room apartment, I work at Waffle House, with many black folk as well, even the manager is black. However, despite my current lowly state, I am working on an online college course in order to improve myself. To escape that "black position of nothingness" that you so feverishly preach about, you need an education! I went to a public school, a pretty shitty one at that. The teachers didn't too much care and would pass anyone, and I looked around, and I'll tell you EXACTLY why the blacks are in such a lowly position, they don't care. The parents need to push their children to learn all they can, and not to do drugs and try to fit into the whole "rapper lifestyle" that seems so prevalent, because that is destroying black society. I see many blacks in the trailer park across the street from me living in a ratty rundown trailer, "In the ghetto" basically, driving around brand new vehicles, cars so nice that the car note would pay for a much better apartment. they wear piles of gold jewelry, some of them even somehow manages to afford some diamonds. How can you possibly blame the white man for holding you down, when you live a rapper lifestyle that emphasizes luxury over necessity?

A good education trumps any social problems, problem is, many people don't WANT a good education. My manager is as black as coal, but I don't hear HIM screaming "Racist" every 5 minutes.