How did Life begin?

[cableshaft]

Okay God-lovers who hate athiests and athiests who hate God-lovers, I have a question for you (and anyone else who wants to tackle it)...how did Life begin?

Now Christians have 'God did it' for an answer, so I don't want them to just state that, instead I want them to theorize whether God is a living being or not and how he could be around in the first place in order to create life.

Athiests, you beat your chests proudly thinking you've got Christians beat because you have 'evidence' to support your claims, but I've NEVER heard an athiest tackle how life began... I don't mean on this planet, I don't mean when or that it started with bacteria, I want to know how you think the inanimate, inorganic material somehow turned into animate, organic material (or perhaps is completely separate from it entirely)...

So...go at it... I'm not wanting proofs, or answers, because I don't think we can figure it out for certain, but I would like to hear your theories.

[Slizor]

Have you ever read a hitchhikers guide to the galaxy? I am not going to pretend that I have proof or anything, but say that the earth was around for about 500 million years without life, then surely a highly improabably event would occur in that time. For instance today, I have been rained on, I have been to hot for comfort and I have been in between, now times that by 352(is it?) then times that by 500 million and you should get a good chance of something highly improbable happening.

[reddeadrevolver]

At 6/14/01 10:45 PM, cableshaft wrote: Okay God-lovers who hate athiests and athiests who hate God-lovers, I have a question for you (and anyone else who wants to tackle it)...how did Life begin?

Now Christians have 'God did it' for an answer, so I don't want them to just state that, instead I want them to theorize whether God is a living being or not and how he could be around in the first place in order to create life.

Athiests, you beat your chests proudly thinking you've got Christians beat because you have 'evidence' to support your claims, but I've NEVER heard an athiest tackle how life began... I don't mean on this planet, I don't mean when or that it started with bacteria, I want to know how you think the inanimate, inorganic material somehow turned into animate, organic material (or perhaps is completely separate from it entirely)...

So...go at it... I'm not wanting proofs, or answers, because I don't think we can figure it out for certain, but I would like to hear your theories.

I don't think many people could give a legitimate answer to that question. I don't have any real theory, but I don't believe in the Big Bang Theory. The idea of this little ball of energy exploding makes no sense. Where did that little ball come from? Another thing, if energy cannot be created nor destroyed, then where did that come from?

[Freakapotimus]

Cable! Good to see you here. I don't have the time nor the energy to tackle this right now, but I may like to ponder this over the weekend, debate with some friends and report to the BBS on Monday.

I am neither athiest nor Christian, so this may get interesting ;)

[Ahimsa138]

At 6/14/01 10:45 PM, cableshaft wrote: Okay God-lovers who hate athiests and athiests who hate God-lovers, I have a question for you (and anyone else who wants to tackle it)...how did Life begin?

Now Christians have 'God did it' for an answer, so I don't want them to just state that, instead I want them to theorize whether God is a living being or not and how he could be around in the first place in order to create life.

Athiests, you beat your chests proudly thinking you've got Christians beat because you have 'evidence' to support your claims, but I've NEVER heard an athiest tackle how life began... I don't mean on this planet, I don't mean when or that it started with bacteria, I want to know how you think the inanimate, inorganic material somehow turned into animate, organic material (or perhaps is completely separate from it entirely)...

So...go at it... I'm not wanting proofs, or answers, because I don't think we can figure it out for certain, but I would like to hear your theories.

[Ahimsa138]

At 6/14/01 10:45 PM, cableshaft wrote:

I grew up a christian believing that god made everything, but as i got older i started asking questions and wasn't satisfied with blind faith.
I've thought about this some and came to the conclusion that maybe life never began, perhaps it always has been. Why do we need to create things like religion or outlandish scientific theories to explain why we are what we are? Why can't we just be happy to be alive? Some things don't need to be known.

[Low-Budget-Superhero]

At 6/14/01 10:45 PM, cableshaft wrote: Okay God-lovers who hate athiests and athiests who hate God-lovers, I have a question for you (and anyone else who wants to tackle it)...how did Life begin?

I do not know... in fact no one does... next question!

[Mowkloo]

Huge explosion in space, god's will, being a character in someone else's dream. Ok, so we dont know for sure conclusively. I dont think it matters that much. Either way, we exist. Knowledge of the origin of everything wont change that we're here and that we should live our lives well and do good things.

[Mowkloo]

There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another which states that this has already happened.

(Since the HHG2TG was mentioned, had to add that)

[PrincePeasley]

At 6/16/01 03:09 AM, Mowkloo wrote: There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another which states that this has already happened.

(Since the HHG2TG was mentioned, had to add that)

there is one thory i heard as a joke by Billy Conley. he was saying about how an atom and a soler system look so much alike that maybe the universe as we know it is nothing more then part of a chair, a spark of fire or maybe another living being (not meaning God of course). it's kinda dumb but it does make u wonder if we're nothing but one little spak in a much bigger universe that itself is just a spak in a bigger one (repeat for all enterity) and the other way round.

not a answer. just a dumb thory

[Raptorman]

there is one thory i heard as a joke by Billy Conley. he was saying about how an atom and a soler system look so much alike that maybe the universe as we know it is nothing more then part of a chair, a spark of fire or maybe another living being (not meaning God of course). it's kinda dumb but it does make u wonder if we're nothing but one little spak in a much bigger universe that itself is just a spak in a bigger one (repeat for all enterity) and the other way round.

That theory was fist stated by a 1950's scinece fiction author who's name escapes me. Back then, it was still believed that atoms resembled nanoscopic (real little bitty) solar systems. We now know that atoms and solar system bear no real resemblence to each other. The atomic solar system model is used to help visualize atoms. Something that, due to the uncertaity principal and the nature of light, is not possible to do. Electrons do not "orbit" they are in "eighstates". In other words, they just kind of hand out there but can only hang out in certain places. Electrons do not rotate, they exibit a charactaristic called "spin" but that is used to represent a phenonemon that we have no other way of describing or imagining.

Less this discussion become a physics class I think I will leave it at that.

As for the origional question. I have put a lot of thought into it and have came to the conclusion that can be spelled out briefly as "I can't figure." I may go into a loger version of that train of thought if future time allows.