Piracy, ARRR

[DarkCyrstal]

Due to a new law coming in California the laws are gonna be tougher on Piracy. And if California passes most states will follow there example. This law will make it a felony to trade or sell or make a profit of any way on burnt or downloaded songs software or documents. Look at Kazaa, anyone participating would or trading(sharing) over 100 files would be convicted(if found).

I hope this Post doesn't get me booted. *gulp*

[Freakapotimus]

The bbs rule doesn't apply to that kind of piracy discussion, although I believe there is another current topic about this.

[aviewaskewed]

At 6/19/03 02:47 AM, DarkCyrstal wrote: This law will make it a felony to trade or sell or make a profit of any way on burnt or downloaded songs software or documents. Look at Kazaa, anyone participating would or trading(sharing) over 100 files would be convicted(if found).

Time destroy the evidence again....damn it...

[Dobio]

Well, apparently, it won't really affect Canadians, such as myself, but it will decrease the amount of sources, who share files, so, it will decrease the effectiveness of p2p file sharing programs.

I mean, this is for the sake of the artists, who I figure are losing money over these programs. But, at the same token, it's advertising, since normally only singles are downloaded on these programs. If a user likes a song, they could either search for more, or they could go and buy the artists album.

I try to purchase albums to support the artists that I enjoy listening to. Not everyone goes by this standard, but I feel it's a good way to go.

[DarkCyrstal]

At 6/19/03 05:44 PM, aviewaskewed wrote:

At 6/19/03 02:47 AM, DarkCyrstal wrote: This law will make it a felony to trade or sell or make a profit of any way on burnt or downloaded songs software or documents. Look at Kazaa, anyone participating would or trading(sharing) over 100 files would be convicted(if found).

Time destroy the evidence again....damn it...

Exactly you j00

[aviewaskewed]

At 6/19/03 05:59 PM, Dobio wrote:

I mean, this is for the sake of the artists, who I figure are losing money over these programs. But, at the same token, it's advertising, since normally only singles are downloaded on these programs. If a user likes a song, they could either search for more, or they could go and buy the artists album.

Some artists don't care though...Dave Grell has been vocal in his support of programs like Napster, I remember his qoute on the subject from and episode of Dennis Miller Live: "I understand the guys who say 'Napster takes food from my fridge, because I can't get my demo tape played because it's all over the net' but when it's a bunch of fucking millionares arguing over pennies, there's no point". Fact is, a lot of the artists who have gotten pissed are millionares who can sell t-shirts and sell out concerts, and do lots of other things to make some money...and yes, I understand it can be viewed as an artist's rights issue...but get real, most of these guys are just pissed and scared that it's royalties off a 20 dollar CD they potentially won't get.

I try to purchase albums to support the artists that I enjoy listening to. Not everyone goes by this standard, but I feel it's a good way to go.

Yeah, I agree, I don't think it's fair to have someones whole album, especially new material, all over the net for free, but one or two songs, especially off some new stuff, I think it can be helpful advertising, cause not everyone is gonna run out and buy the album, some people might be "well, I wanna hear a song of it before it's out and than I'll make a decision". I don't know, tricky issue, for right now, I'm livin in Jersey, so this shouldn't be a major issue to me for a little while yet. I think though maybe the services giving the artists some kind of one time royalty payment or something for the rights to use it would be fair too.

[karasz]

i would like to see the californian bill they are trying to pass...

because honestly, if i choose to GIVE something to someone i cant be stopped for it...

but the bill may be worded oddly so as to stop me from sharing...

and then of course the bill if passed and signed will be sent to the courts because kazaa will sue...

should be interesting...

oh wait heres how you get around it...

get a website, state heres a list of all my files... if you would like it feel free to email me and i will send it to you...

[antiqkk]

Well, I wish I could say that I understand the feelings of those artists that argue against file sharing, as it results in a loss of some of their roaylties. But I can't, because I am not a millionaire and my work is not enjoyed by anyone, save some friends. There is always a double sided argument to this issue. Some artists argue that free p2p sharing simply results in income losses, while ignoring the beneficial side of advertising. Note, that bands that are so against it are usually famous and rich enough to bribe God into playing with their willies all their lives. They do not advertisement anymore. These bands are well known and their major concern is $*,***,*** they recieve. On the other hand, there are so many small bands that use p2p sharing as a way of breaking through to the people and becoming more popular. These bands see their main concern ina chieving popularity, not just the money they receive for their work.
I have studied some of the copyright issues as part of my course at the university so I know a few details. The thing that troubles me, is that the individuals/organisations arguing against p2p sharing are mainly loaded with money and all they wish to know is an increase in profits this year. These include the artists and all others involved in the production of the work.
As I said I am not a millionaire and I cannot afford to buy every CD that looks attractive to me without knowing what's on it. The stuff that I like, I go buy in original, to respect the artists hard efforts. The stuff that looks more like horse shit, even if produced by some legendary band, I will not buy. Therefore, I believe internet file sharing is a great way for advertising, because I assure you that if I couldn't have a listen of what I am buying in advance I would have about 10 CDS now instead of over 200.
If the music industry decides to ban all internet file sharing, they will have to invent something new to reach the people. Fuck knows, they could sell a weekly ticket for £1 to allow those who purchase the pass to have a trial listen somehow.
It's all a double sided issue as I said, but if bands like Metallica argue against p2p sharing then produce a goat-blowing new labum and rant everywhere on the Internet that it is so great, just to promote it, then I won't buy it.
I currently have £30 in my bank account and had to look for some cash reserves at home in order to buy 3 books from Amazon. Being quite new those books cost me like £35+. Once the copyright period expires in some 30 years, those books will be £2 each.

Ahh and forgive my insults and such. I am tired, always swear a lot when I am. Haven't slept in ages again, been packing and cleaning all night and the airport awaits for me tomorrow morning.

TA TA

[bumcheekcity]

At 6/21/03 03:47 PM, karasz wrote: because honestly, if i choose to GIVE something to someone i cant be stopped for it...

I think theyre trying to stop the TAKERS of the files. And they can stop you under copyright law.

[misterx2000]

Just burn all your music onto a CD and delete it from your HDD if you're paranoid. =)

[aviewaskewed]

At 6/22/03 10:33 AM, misterx2000 wrote: Just burn all your music onto a CD and delete it from your HDD if you're paranoid. =)

true...and that to me is a big point too...okay, maybe they'll stop people from getting anything else but...how are they gonna stop people from keeping what they already have? I mean...they can't just break in...the way I see it as, the p2p sharing folks can watch this unfold, get the names of the bands who lobbied the hardest to shut p2p down, and than boycott them, I think this may be one of those issues where nobody's wins.

[JudgeDredd]

At 6/22/03 10:33 AM, misterx2000 wrote: Just burn all your music onto a CD and delete it from your HDD if you're paranoid. =)

you missed the point.

It's not focused on ppl who share on kazaa (the world's new #1 downloaded program of all time) but ppl who sell copies.. so burning a copy, and storing another copy in a fireproof location (that's two copies) then deciding to move most of your favorite stuff onto more compact and convienient DVD-RW (that's three copies) ..and not counting the one left on your HDD and your portable MP3 player which takes flash-memory cards (x 5) or left in you car stereo CD player (which your mate happened to borrow) and the "samples" you took onto your work PC.... and then the whole DMCA or some new copyright states that you are a major pirate based on these multiple copies.

the whole complex duplication thing can't be legislated against, but suspects could easily be framed for such as a pretext to interrogate, negotiate, and bargin the name of a bigger fish, or "dobbed in" by a vengeful ex-partner, or the vendetta of a neighbourly snoop.

well, you get the picture - endless new possibilities for incarceration for enjoying a bit of sweet sounding air vibrations..

[PsychoDoughboy]

IF that get passed, me matey, than aRRR about four million users ARRRRRRRRRRRR gonna get sued.

[StatiK]

do you really think its right to sue an 11 year old girl who downloads 3 britney spears songs?

[karasz]

What would happen if the people on this forum... particularly 18-25 year olds say "We will BOYCOTT all CDs until the record industry backs off..."

it would all come down to could our age group last???

anyone wanna give it a try?

[Alejandro1]

At 6/29/03 06:06 PM, karasz wrote: What would happen if the people on this forum... particularly 18-25 year olds say "We will BOYCOTT all CDs until the record industry backs off..."

it would all come down to could our age group last???

anyone wanna give it a try?

That's a good idea, but spread it nationwide. What if 18-25 year olds around the country boycotted all music cd's until the industry relaxed its attacks on pirated music? When those companies start seeing red, you can guarantee that they'll rethink their attitude.

[karasz]

well newgrounds is pretty nationwide...

of course a petition being sent around would be great...