P.e.t.a Protests Nfl.

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

PETA demonstrates at NFL headquarters

NEW YORK (July 20, 2007) -- While Commissioner Roger Goodell was meeting with officials of the ASPCA, about 50 people urged the NFL to "Sack Vick" in a demonstration outside the league's headquarters following the indictment of Michael Vick on dogfighting charges.

"Sack Vick!" chanted the demonstrators, organized by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals as they walked peacefully in front of the Park Avenue building. Many held dogs who had the "Sack Vick" signs on their backs and one woman brought a pit bull, the breed killed in the dogfighting operation the Atlanta quarterback is accused of sponsoring.

The leaders of the demonstration focused on Goodell's one-year suspension of Tennessee's Adam "Pacman" Jones under the NFL's personal conduct policy, although Jones has not been convicted of any crime.

"We think they should do the same with Michael Vick," said Dan Shannon, an assistant director of campaigns for PETA. "We don't think their 'wait and see' attitude goes far enough. If they suspended Pacman Jones, they can suspend Vick."

The NFL said after Vick was indicted it was watching legal developments in the case. Vick is scheduled to be arraigned July 26 in federal court in Richmond, Va.

On Friday, the NFL said it agreed "dogfighting is cruel, degrading and illegal.

"The alleged activities are very disturbing, and we are extremely disappointed Michael Vick has put himself in this position," NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy said in a statement. "We are having extensive dialogue with numerous groups and individuals, including the ASPCA, and are reviewing all of our options to deal with this as quickly as possible."

Sherry Ramsey, a staff attorney for the Humane Society of the United States, said he was disappointed at the league "wait and see attitude.

"There is a precedent in the Jones suspension," she said.

Ramsey said her organization wrote to the NFL in May, offering to work with the league help educate players about dogfighting. She said it did not receive a reply.

However, two letters written June 21 by the NFL to the Humane Society, provided to The Associated Press by the league, said warnings on animal fighting and animal cruelty are now being included in the annual briefings by the league security staff to players. Those briefings will take place at all 32 training camps this summer.

"We are in total agreement that there is no place for animal cruelty and illegal animal fighting and take very seriously the allegations of dog fighting against Michael Vick," Peter Abitante, Goodell's personal assistant, wrote nearly a month before the indictments.

"We certainly do not condone this activity and will not tolerate cruelty or mistreatment of animals. If Mr. Vick or anyone associated with the NFL is found to have violated state or federal law, the commissioner has stated publicly that he will impose significant discipline under our personal conduct policy."

Earlier this year, the NFL began working with the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals on programs and public service announcements to educate players and the public on the importance of caring properly for animals.

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Nice. So amongst other things, P.E.T.A has become the only group in the universe that thinks that the sports league that charges 10,000 dollars for wearing the wrong brand of cleats, suspends people for entire game for doing touchdown dances, and takes away an entire weeks pay for taunting is TOO LENIENT in their player punishments. Also, I enjoy that they keep saying that Pacman Jones was suspended a year even though he was never found guilty, when he actually WAS. MULTIPLE times. Oh, and the fact that when 2 of their members where charged on animal cruelty for killing dogs and dumping their bodies in dumpsters, they couldn't shut up about "OMG, DEY ARE INOCENT U GOTTA WAIT FOR DA TRIAL!"

[fahrenheit]

honestly who gives a shit about peta?

[Inferno42]

I think vick shouldn't be punished. animal fighting isn't that bad.

[Ravariel]

At 7/21/07 10:39 AM, Grammer wrote: I wish I saw the same outrage for the Kobe Bryant rape allegations that I do for this case.

No shit, eh?

But I guess PETA isn't all for that whole "innocent until proven guilty" bit.

"We don't actually know if he had anything to do with this, but they should fire him anyway, just for being accused!"

[jr73380]

I understand how some people can view this as just kinda normal behavior with animals. The fighting isn't what gets my goat (no PETA pun intended) is that what they do to the lossing dogs... they made them drink lots of water and electricute them. i have been electricuted and lived to tell about it and i will tell you it was the most painful thing to ever happen to me. i believe vick should be punished and the NFL for trying to wash their paws clean. :)
sorry for all the bad animal puns....

[Centurion-Ryan]

Stirring up trouble again, are they?

What do you think'll happen if we just ignore them?

[Buffalow]

Thanks PETA, we couldn't ever make a conclusion without your end-all-argument protests against a crime that has already blown up into a huge deal that it never had to become. PETA can go suck a bag a dicks.

[Bolo]

Vick should get life imprisonment.

[JakeHero]

At 7/21/07 04:51 PM, Bolo wrote: Vick should get life imprisonment.

Bolo should get life imprisonment.

[UWDarDar17]

At 7/21/07 10:29 AM, Inferno42 wrote: I think vick shouldn't be punished. animal fighting isn't that bad.

Well inferno, it's not a matter of whether we think animal fighting is that bad. It comes down to laws on gambling and inhumane treatment, and the fact that dogfighting is illegal in all fifty states, forty-seven of which consider it a felony.

So, it's not a matter of whether we think someone should or shouldn't be punished based on how bad we think the crime is. It's a matter of whether someone should or should not be punished based on if they broke the law or not.

[Memorize]

At 7/21/07 07:29 PM, UWDarDar17 wrote:

So, it's not a matter of whether we think someone should or shouldn't be punished based on how bad we think the crime is. It's a matter of whether someone should or should not be punished based on if they broke the law or not.

Amazing how the law is an argument only certain people like you use in only cases that agree with your viewpoint.

[escudo0]

At 7/21/07 07:19 PM, JakeHero wrote:

At 7/21/07 04:51 PM, Bolo wrote: Vick should get life imprisonment.

Bolo should get life imprisonment.

A real snappy comeback to a real stupid statement.

[Proteas]

At 7/21/07 10:29 AM, Inferno42 wrote: I think vick shouldn't be punished. animal fighting isn't that bad.

And it's little shits like you that are the reason why Vic will probably get away with this. Nevermind that there were dogs found hanged, electrocuted, drowned, and badly beaten ON HIS PROPERTY, you want to dumb down the reality of the situation by ignoring those facts and saying "animal fighting isn't that bad." The public outcry won't be that this guy should be made to pay for what he has done, it will be to have leanancy with him because "animal fighting isn't that bad." The judge will be all star-struck that an NFL football player is in his courtroom, and give him preferential treament.

I wish I was a judge in this situation, and I wish this were tried in my courtroom. Him and Pacman Jones both would be day-glo orange prison jumpsuits before the Lunchbreak.

[seventy-one]

At 7/21/07 10:39 AM, Grammer wrote: I wish I saw the same outrage for the Kobe Bryant rape allegations that I do for this case.

But it was Roger Goodell who set the precident of changing innocent until proven guilty, to guilty until proven innocent with his new player off the field rules.

And I'm not saying that PETA wouldn't protest if it weren't for Goodell (they'd protest if they found out Mike Vick so much as looked at a dog funny), but the greater reaction to the situation I think would be different.

Oh, and there was a bunch of outrage towards Kobe Bryant.

[SmilezRoyale]

At 7/21/07 12:13 PM, Gwarfan wrote: Thanks PETA, we couldn't ever make a conclusion without your end-all-argument protests against a crime that has already blown up into a huge deal that it never had to become. PETA can go suck a bag a dicks.

Yiff?

[Bolo]

At 7/21/07 07:19 PM, JakeHero wrote:

At 7/21/07 04:51 PM, Bolo wrote: Vick should get life imprisonment.

Bolo should get life imprisonment.

JakeHero should be chained up and forced to fight other humans. Then, if he loses, he should be smashed into the ground, and beaten to death.

At 7/21/07 07:55 PM, escudo0 wrote:

At 7/21/07 07:19 PM, JakeHero wrote:

At 7/21/07 04:51 PM, Bolo wrote: Vick should get life imprisonment.

Bolo should get life imprisonment.

A real snappy comeback to a real stupid statement.

I hope this is sarcasm.

[JakeHero]

At 7/21/07 09:27 PM, Bolo wrote: JakeHero should be chained up and forced to fight other humans. Then, if he loses, he should be smashed into the ground, and beaten to death.

That doesn't sound half bad. If it'll between that and slowly withering with old age, just to be left in a home by estranged kids that never visit, then give me the brawling pit anyday.

Plus, at least it'll be an entertaining death.

[Bolo]

At 7/21/07 09:35 PM, JakeHero wrote:

At 7/21/07 09:27 PM, Bolo wrote: JakeHero should be chained up and forced to fight other humans. Then, if he loses, he should be smashed into the ground, and beaten to death.

That doesn't sound half bad. If it'll between that and slowly withering with old age, just to be left in a home by estranged kids that never visit, then give me the brawling pit anyday.

Plus, at least it'll be an entertaining death.

You'd be entertained by your own violent death? I'd have to say that you're probably in a small minority if you'd rather die while being painfully beaten up by thugs, rather than peacefully in your sleep at age 85.

[HighlyIllogical]

Since when is animal fighting NOT a criminal matter?

And doesn't the NFL have a policy on suspentions for the criminal issues that their players are so notorious for?

[Memorize]

At 7/21/07 09:27 PM, Bolo wrote:

I hope this is sarcasm.

I would call it half sarcasm.

As your statement was rather stupid.

[SmilezRoyale]

At 7/21/07 10:04 PM, HighlyIllogical wrote: Since when is animal fighting NOT a criminal matter?

And doesn't the NFL have a policy on suspentions for the criminal issues that their players are so notorious for?

Throwing a celebrity in jail is about as easy as....

the hardest thing imaginable.

[Bolo]

At 7/21/07 10:19 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 7/21/07 09:27 PM, Bolo wrote:

I hope this is sarcasm.

I would call it half sarcasm.

As your statement was rather stupid.

So, am I to imply from this post that you like it when people beat up animals?

[Memorize]

At 7/21/07 10:37 PM, Bolo wrote:

So, am I to imply from this post that you like it when people beat up animals?

Oh, no.

I just think it's funny how you equate animals with humans. Especially since in the animal world, there's no such thing as pity or mercy.

I get it. Murder a human and let the murderer out in 20 years due to "evidence" he'll never do it again. But life in prison without parole for someone who killed animals.

The man is a sick freak and deserves serious jail time, no doubt about it. It's just that humanity never ceases to amaze me. Ha! I never hear such outcry over the murder of human being.

Though I would argue that there are people who should rank less than animals.

[damionford]

i think people shouldnt pass judgement untill he is convicted or freed

[MortifiedPenguins]

I think people should start worring about bigger things that are happening in the world and let the justice system run it's course.

He'll get slapped with some community service, pay a fine, maybe serve a little home dention.

Then he'll lead the Falcons to another 9-7 season and everything will be back to normal.

[Dantheman2435]

While I like animals and such, I do believe that PETA kinda pushes everything too far. I'm not a vegan, I wear leather, but I don't go around kicking cats or anything. But PETA members and supah crazy vegans actually yell at me for wearing leather and eating KFC, (oh lawdy.) If you look at posts on PETA2 (basically PETA for youngins) you'll see the brainwashing that goes on with false statistics and crazy articles.

[Demosthenez]

At 7/21/07 08:05 PM, Proteas wrote: Him and Pacman Jones both would be day-glo orange prison jumpsuits before the Lunchbreak.

Pac Man didnt do shit. He has bad friends, who can say that they dont?

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

At 7/21/07 10:39 AM, Grammer wrote: I wish I saw the same outrage for the Kobe Bryant rape allegations that I do for this case.

Well, it was painfully obvious that Kobe was innocent. A more accurate comparison would be the Tyson rape.

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

At 7/22/07 09:09 PM, Demosthenez wrote:

Pac Man didnt do shit. He has bad friends, who can say that they dont?

Please, you can't have an NFL career with more arrests then interceptions just because of bad friends. Well, unless your not a defensive back =/

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

At 7/21/07 11:04 PM, Memorize wrote:

The man is a sick freak and deserves serious jail time, no doubt about it. It's just that humanity never ceases to amaze me. Ha! I never hear such outcry over the murder of human being.

But theres a difference. One must take into fact both the numbers of animals killed, the manor of killing, the reasons behind the murder, the treatment they faced, and the entire idea of a forced fight. If masses of humans were starved and tortured into turning vicious, then forced to fights, with the loser being electrocuted, all for the amusement of Jake Plummer, then yes, there would be outrage. Similarly, if Joe Nobody gets into a drunken bar brawl and shoots his dog between the eyes, I doubt anyone would here about it. Hell, meat-eatings legal, ain't it?