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At 6/22/03 08:24 PM, nailbomb wrote: A.Lock all doors and windows.

Doors and windows can be broken open.

B.Get a security system.

A security alarm? Great, so you can wait ten minutes for the fuckin dispatchers to get to your house while there is some guy in there trying to kill you.

C.get a pitbull or a doberman.

What if they shoot the dog?

D.Install gates on your windows.

What if there is a fire?

E.install electrified gates on your windows.

Same as D.

Ok, there needs to be a medium between those who want to ban all guns and those who want automatic weapons for the masses...

Now, I think there is a basic right for those whom want to have guns to have them. As history tends to do, it may repeat itself and the citizens of the U.S may be called upon to defend itself. I'm not citing this as the only reason as why people should be allowed to have guns, but just an interesting point. I have no problem with semi-automatic weapons, there isn't a big problem with them, I myself own a few including an AR-15, which to those who don't know about it, is the civilian version of the M-16, but like anything it can be modified, which I have chosen not to do. Now, the problem itself is not guns, its people. People are stupid, plain and simple. Guns are going to be avaiable to criminals just about whenever they need to get them, so banning all guns isn't going to make it any harder for someone who really wants to aquire a gun to do so. On the other hand, I don't think allowing automatic weapons is a good idea, the average person would have no idea how to handle such a weapon, and if its avaiable to the average person, chances are he'll buy it and hurt himself or others. This is why we need training for all firearms purchaces, if we can get people educated about guns, the less problem there will be and the more responsible public we will have.

To those who want to ban all guns- please don't let your fear of the unknown control you. Take a class on them, learn that they are a tool and that guns themselves are not the enemy, rather stupid people who misuse them. Hell, anybody could be dangerous with anything, if I went on a crime and murder spree with a hammer, would you suggest that all hammers would be illegal? Of course not, similarily don't do the same to guns.

At 6/22/03 08:50 PM, alejandro1 wrote:

At 6/22/03 08:24 PM, nailbomb wrote:

B.Get a security system.

A security alarm? Great, so you can wait ten minutes for the fuckin dispatchers to get to your house while there is some guy in there trying to kill you.

Ten minutes wow...they must really care about you...from what ive seen its more like 15.

When I am of legal age, I will carry a gun. Its because I have heard too many horror stories of women who think they know how to defend themselves being attacked, raped, robbed, etc etc and I don't want to be a victim. But, I won't just carry a gun to "scare off attackers" or other such nonsense like most women think, I will carry a gun to use. I will be well trained in the art of firearms and I will shoot to maim and kill if I need to someone who is attacking me. This is why guns are necessary.. because there are too many psychos out there who are stronger than I or most other women are. I'm no femenist, but I think women who get attacked or are targets should stand up and buy themselves a gun and learn how to use it!

I admit, that makes alot more sence than women who think they can fight someone off with tae bo.

At 6/23/03 02:47 PM, Lyddiechu wrote: I think women who get attacked or are targets should stand up and buy themselves a gun and learn how to use it!

That's the real reason everyone should own a gun. There is no longer any advantage to size, strength, or ferocity. Guns make everyone equal in a world where equality is a rare and precious jewel.

I admit that I support the rights to have guns. But a world where everyone feels they need one is plain, old fashioned scary. People who desire to go back to that worry me on several levels.

At 6/23/03 04:27 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:

At 6/23/03 02:47 PM, Lyddiechu wrote: I think women who get attacked or are targets should stand up and buy themselves a gun and learn how to use it!

That's the real reason everyone should own a gun. There is no longer any advantage to size, strength, or ferocity. Guns make everyone equal in a world where equality is a rare and precious jewel.

amen, brutha. however... what about sizes of guns? and how good the gun is? or how good a gun you can afford?? therein lies the issue of equality..

whats a good gun for a chick anyway funk? i WOULD walk around brandishing a columbian-rebel grade rifle.. but i doubt that would go over well at college (especially where i am going.. u wisconsin-madison is notoriously liberal)

Im thinking a small caliber semi auto pocket model. I of course like the idea of a lady with a big revolver. By the way, Im a pervert. But this is about your saftey, not my cheap thrills.

9mm is ok put does not have much put down power, if you get someone really cracked/coked up you need something stronger like a .45. A .22 cal is actually extremely lethal considering it's one of the smallest cartridges. (.22's have a tendency to bounce of bones and ricochet in the body, basically turning the inside of the guy that attacked you into swiss cheese. A 357 magnum has such a high velocity that it's been known to shatter bones. It all depends what your comfortable with, I like my 1911, it's durable, reliable, and powerfull. For women who worry about getting mugged or raped, I recommend a snub nose revolver, Reason being there is no safety on it (hard trigger pull no need for one) they pack a punch, and they are extremely reliable, much more than an auto.

At 6/23/03 02:53 PM, stafffighter wrote: I admit, that makes alot more sence than women who think they can fight someone off with tae bo.

You really don't stand a chance when someone is really drugged up. Tae bo is won't do shit, if you don't have a firearm the best thing for a woman to do to a man is grab his nuts and rupture them. Brutal but it will work.

Self defence is one of the reasons I support gun ownership. But I still don't like the idea of everyone feeling like they need one. Thats too much like the old west for me. You shouldn't be polite to someone because they could kill you the next moment. Thats nothing like an ideal.
As for my reccomendation, a semi auto with safty on is at least slightly less likely to go off when held in something other than a holster. On a smaller body it would also be extreamly easier to conceal. Meaning someone would be less likely to suprise her and purposfully get their hands on it. Plus if your a small person the recoil from a large caliber could knock you on your ass. Iv'e seen many women very capable of handeling the big stuff, but for the adverage woman worried about the mugger I still say small is the way to go.

At 6/22/03 08:50 PM, alejandro1 wrote:

Doors and windows can be broken open.

"HUNNY, I HEARD THE FRONT DOOR GETTING KNOCKED DOWN, LET'S GO BACK TO SLEEP INSTEAD OF CALLING THE POLICE"

A security alarm? Great, so you can wait ten minutes for the fuckin dispatchers to get to your house while there is some guy in there trying to kill you.

What's he pointing at your head? A choo-choo train?

What if they shoot the dog?

With their choo-choo train?

What if there is a fire?

Call fire departement, exit through door, use fire extinguisher

Look, the whole point of gun control is to keep guns AWAY from those criminals that break into suburban homes everynight (from what I've heard).

Who do paranoid people carry a gun around? Because they're affraid they might get shot? You can't fight fire with fire. We're not talking about making guns illegal, we're talking about not selling it to every guy that walks into a wal-mart and producing less guns which will mean less guns making their way into the black market. Why do you think only has 39 deaths by gun annualy and America has 11 127?

(Japan is the country with 39 deaths by gun annualy)

This reminds me of an episode of all in the family. Gloria was telling Archie statistics of how many people a year are killed by handguns. He said "Would it make you feel any better little girl if they was pushed out of windows?" Theres alot of truth in comedy.

At 6/24/03 03:01 PM, nailbomb wrote: "HUNNY, I HEARD THE FRONT DOOR GETTING KNOCKED DOWN, LET'S GO BACK TO SLEEP INSTEAD OF CALLING THE POLICE"

With a ten minute response time, it doesn't help if killer is already in your house.

Call fire departement, exit through door, use fire extinguisher

It's not always that convenient. What if the fire was outside your bedroom door and you had metal bars blocking your window exit.

Look, the whole point of gun control is to keep guns AWAY from those criminals that break into suburban homes everynight (from what I've heard).

The problem is people can get guns in many different ways.

Who do paranoid people carry a gun around? Because they're affraid they might get shot? You can't fight fire with fire. We're not talking about making guns illegal, we're talking about not selling it to every guy that walks into a wal-mart and producing less guns which will mean less guns making their way into the black market. Why do you think Japan only has 39 deaths by gun annualy and America has 11 127?

I'm not about carrying a gun around in the streets; guns should be stored up and used with care. I believe that in one of my earlier posts, I made it clear that background checks must be strict to avoid selling weapons to people who might use them the wrong way; unfortunately, these people could still get a hold of guns. I don't believe in being paranoid and going out and buying a weapon, I'm just saying the option should be open if people are that serious about buying a gun.

At 6/24/03 05:43 PM, alejandro1 wrote:

With a ten minute response time, it doesn't help if killer is already in your house.

Why would there be a killer in your house? Do you live in ghetto? Is he there to rob you of your belongings? If so, he's not gonna want to confront you.

It's not always that convenient. What if the fire was outside your bedroom door and you had metal bars blocking your window exit.

Keep a fire extinguisher in your bedroom. Safety first.

The problem is people can get guns in many different ways.

Aren't they all produced by the same gun companies?

I'm not about carrying a gun around in the streets; guns should be stored up and used with care. I believe that in one of my earlier posts, I made it clear that background checks must be strict to avoid selling weapons to people who might use them the wrong way; unfortunately, these people could still get a hold of guns. I don't believe in being paranoid and going out and buying a weapon, I'm just saying the option should be open if people are that serious about buying a gun.

But those so-called responsible people are opposed to stricter gun laws that wouldn't sell guns to any psycho that wantes to buy one. Also, those gun laws would reduce the amount of guns produced, therefore reducing the number of guns in the Black Market and only responsible people would own a gun.

I believe that the right to have weapons should be removed from the Bill of Rights. The Constitution was created in a way that it will be valid and shape the current and future times. The right to arms was needed during the creation of this country but we do not need it now. In fact this right to keep weapons has actually helped crimes. There are reports and statistics about this which I do not remember (It was said in one of my college courses). Most other countries with strict gun control methods or bans have very little crime. There are more gun related fatalities and suicides in this country that most others. There are the opposite spectrium saying that there are other crimes commited without a gun in the other countries blah blah blah. Its true but I don't think everyone needs a gun; damn more than half the people in the United States shouldn't even touch a gun.

At 6/24/03 10:49 AM, AmericanBADASS wrote: 9mm is ok put does not have much put down power, if you get someone really cracked/coked up you need something stronger like a .45. A .22 cal is actually extremely lethal considering it's one of the smallest cartridges. (.22's have a tendency to bounce of bones and ricochet in the body, basically turning the inside of the guy that attacked you into swiss cheese. A 357 magnum has such a high velocity that it's been known to shatter bones. It all depends what your comfortable with, I like my 1911, it's durable, reliable, and powerfull. For women who worry about getting mugged or raped, I recommend a snub nose revolver, Reason being there is no safety on it (hard trigger pull no need for one) they pack a punch, and they are extremely reliable, much more than an auto.

I would defenitally want to carry something with a safety for when I keep it in the house, but on the streets I would have it off.. but.. wait.. can't I just put a lock on it while its in the house? in that case I would probably prefer the hard trigger one since I do all my actions with a lot of force anyway.. A .45 sounds eeexcellent I would want something with the most stopping power possible.. plus I am more interested in blowing off an arm or a leg than actually killing the person.

All I have to do now is start a pro-gun pro-civil rights democratic movement. *sigh* life is hard.

At 6/24/03 11:18 PM, weaponrxn wrote: I believe that the right to have weapons should be removed from the Bill of Rights. The Constitution was created in a way that it will be valid and shape the current and future times. The right to arms was needed during the creation of this country but we do not need it now. In fact this right to keep weapons has actually helped crimes. There are reports and statistics about this which I do not remember (It was said in one of my college courses). Most other countries with strict gun control methods or bans have very little crime. There are more gun related fatalities and suicides in this country that most others. There are the opposite spectrium saying that there are other crimes commited without a gun in the other countries blah blah blah. Its true but I don't think everyone needs a gun; damn more than half the people in the United States shouldn't even touch a gun.

the point is.. people in the USA are a lot more psychotic than the people in all other developed nations. they dont really need guns since.. well.. i hate to say it, but the populus is generally more satisfied and more civilized due to social democracy. until we have social democracy providing a safety net for everyone in this country, we are going to have violent crime, especially robbery.

not that social democracy can solve all problems.. there will always be rapists, and my 6'4" military boyfriend can not be at my side to defend me at all times, so as a sensible woman I would like to carry a firearm.

At 6/24/03 11:37 PM, Lyddiechu wrote: A .45 sounds eeexcellent I would want something with the most stopping power possible.. plus I am more interested in blowing off an arm or a leg than actually killing the person.

"Richie loved to use 22s because the bullets are small and they don't come out the other end like a 45, see, a 45 will blow a barn door out the back of your head and there's a lot of dry cleaning involved, but a 22 will just rattle around like Pac-Man until you're dead."
-Vincent Antonelli (Steve Martin), from My Blue Heaven (1990)

My thing is, if someone was threatening me I would not have alot of consern for keeping them alive. I wouldn't go out of my way to make it painfull but I would want them removed.

At 6/24/03 06:38 PM, nailbomb wrote: Why would there be a killer in your house? Do you live in ghetto? Is he there to rob you of your belongings? If so, he's not gonna want to confront you.

It doesn't matter why he's in the house; it could be for any reason; it could even be one of your greedy in-laws who wants to kill you to get your inheritance. All that stands is the fact that there is a guy in your house with a gun who may or may not want to kill you. All I'm saying is you have a better shot to live if you have a gun.

Keep a fire extinguisher in your bedroom. Safety first.

If the fire spread to outside your room door, how well do you stand with a fire extinguisher? You could very easily pass out from the heat or from smoke inhailation within minutes trying to clear a path for yourself, not to mention the possibility of burning ceiling material falling on you.

But those so-called responsible people are opposed to stricter gun laws that wouldn't sell guns to any psycho that wantes to buy one.

That's not true. You'd have to be extremely one-sided to not want stricter gun laws to prevent criminals from getting guns, even if you believed in the right to bear arms.

Also, those gun laws would reduce the amount of guns produced, therefore reducing the number of guns in the Black Market and only responsible people would own a gun.

Not true. Criminals could still get them from overseas or from the Black Market even if the supply was 'reduced.' When there's a will, there's a way.

I think we are all forgetting the enourmous threat aliens pose if we eliminate guns. Don't tell me you haven't though about it, you all saw that episode of The Simposons...

At 6/25/03 09:05 AM, Jimsween wrote: I think we are all forgetting the enourmous threat aliens pose if we eliminate guns. Don't tell me you haven't though about it, you all saw that episode of The Simposons...

It's bad enough that, since the British brought in gun amnesties in the 30s, the NRA had to supply us with guns to keep out the German scourge. If that's their form of "history", they can all move to an island and have a week long battle royale, then tell us how good an idea gun ownership is.

But that's the thing with gun nuts: They like the "freedom" and "power" they get from knowing they have a gun, but what if they used it in cold blood, or just by accident? Something tells me their outlooks will radically change.

The Second Ammendment is overly misinterpreted, abused, and exploited. After all, until last month, necrophila was legal in the UK, but were people expressing their rights by humping corpses, because they were able to? If so, I hope they didn't do it in front of their webcams...

At 6/24/03 02:15 AM, Lyddiechu wrote: amen, brutha. however... what about sizes of guns? and how good the gun is? or how good a gun you can afford?? therein lies the issue of equality..

whats a good gun for a chick anyway funk? i WOULD walk around brandishing a columbian-rebel grade rifle.. but i doubt that would go over well at college (especially where i am going.. u wisconsin-madison is notoriously liberal)

.22 berreta, chrome finish, pearl handle. I believe it hold 8 shots, and I know it can fit comfortably in most pocket books. Also low recoil, so you dont have to worry about it kicking out of your hands in a crucial moment. Remember people, high caliber is only for knocking people down, low caliber is for killing.

At 6/25/03 01:59 AM, alejandro1 wrote:

It doesn't matter why he's in the house; it could be for any reason; it could even be one of your greedy in-laws who wants to kill you to get your inheritance. All that stands is the fact that there is a guy in your house with a gun who may or may not want to kill you. All I'm saying is you have a better shot to live if you have a gun.

The irony of it all, you have to get a gun because criminals have one.

If the fire spread to outside your room door, how well do you stand with a fire extinguisher? You could very easily pass out from the heat or from smoke inhailation within minutes trying to clear a path for yourself, not to mention the possibility of burning ceiling material falling on you.

So you're going to shoot the fire?

That's not true. You'd have to be extremely one-sided to not want stricter gun laws to prevent criminals from getting guns, even if you believed in the right to bear arms.

Then why are people opposed to gun control?

Not true. Criminals could still get them from overseas or from the Black Market even if the supply was 'reduced.' When there's a will, there's a way.

Look at the figures of death by gun in Japan compared to the U.S. if criminal organizations did import guns from overseas there would be the same number of death by gun in every country.

At 6/25/03 11:06 AM, D2KVirus wrote:

But that's the thing with gun nuts: They like the "freedom" and "power" they get from knowing they have a gun, but what if they used it in cold blood, or just by accident? Something tells me their outlooks will radically change.

The Second Ammendment is overly misinterpreted, abused, and exploited. After all, until last month, necrophila was legal in the UK, but were people expressing their rights by humping corpses, because they were able to? If so, I hope they didn't do it in front of their webcams...

Exactly, it's one thing to own a gun for hunting but it's another thing to keep a full gunrack in your living room for no toerh reason besides being able to say "I have many guns and they are big". If you're so god damned affraid that a criminal is going to come into your house and shoot you or shoot you in the subway or shoot you at church then you shouldn't buy a gun and support the gun industry which will produce more guns for criminals, you should support stricter gun laws in which YOU, the citizen with no criminal record will be able to buy a gun to defend yourself and people with a criminal record will get jack shit. Oh and I know that most criminals don't get their guns through legal means but if less guns are produced (there are 2 guns for EVERY American, adult, elderly or child) then less guns will get into the hands of criminals. Besides, if a burglar tries to snatch your purse, you can't shoot him so what good is a gun gonna do you? buy some mace.

At 6/25/03 12:48 PM, nailbomb wrote: The irony of it all, you have to get a gun because criminals have one.

Exactly, what a nice world we live in.

So you're going to shoot the fire?

No, remember I bought the gun and therefore I didn't need to put iron bars on my window. You installed the bars, so it's your problem now.

Then why are people opposed to gun control?

I can't answer that. Maybe they don't like the government controlling their second amendment rights. I don't know, some people are just like that.

Look at the figures of death by gun in Japan compared to the U.S. if criminal organizations did import guns from overseas there would be the same number of death by gun in every country.

That would be true if we had an even distribution of criminals, but we don't. If you look at it that way, the US houses more criminal organizations than Japan, so it would only make sense that there are more shootings in the US.

heres a good idea.. install a security system, iron bars, have a trained dog, have you and your family trained in groundfighting and self defense.. AND carry a gun. then your pretty much fail safe ok unless the criminal has poison gas or a missile. dont call me paranoid, i probably travel more than everyone else in here put together and i am perfecty comfortable in foreign countries and in the inner city.. the reason i am comfortable is because i know how to be safe. im not paranoid, i am just smart. i also don't trust anyone in the world except for my family, my boyfriend, and a select few of my closest friends. the only other trust i can count on is the trust i pay for.