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Pathetic, its torture, they have the same nerves as us but a smaller brain you retard. I hope you make colledge dumb crap.

I'm just curious as to when we started anthropomorphizing animals and giving them some of the same equal rights as humans.

generally speaking, animal fighting (i.e cock fighting, etc.) really isnt anything that should be promoted morally or hell, even as entertainment. Even if people are involved, "to the death" is a bit much for nothing more then a competition anyway, which is really all it should. As people have stated before too, its more the gambling aspect of it more then anything, as people tend to be worried about how much money people are making without the goverment gettin their cut anyway lol. Otherwise, were talking about the same people who slit pig throats and whack cows in the head with a hammer who accuse them of animal cruelty. Theres really nothing wrong with a little competition, but when ur risking ur own life, or in this case, someone elses, theres a line that gets crossed.

At 7/21/07 10:27 AM, Inferno42 wrote: dog fighting is wrong because dogs are pets. roosters nd boars are bred to die, so ther'e nothing wrong with them fighting.

So it's only a crime if a cute animal dies.

The maker of this thread should probably read into 2 things:

- Caesar [The Dog Wisperer's] Guide to taking care of dogs

- Common methods of treatment for animal fights'

Dogs will fight if they're not familiarized with the dog they're fighting with, but actual animal fights are created by Breeding Vicious behaviours in the animals themselfs by Treating them in a vicious manner. [Ever heard the expression; the pet reflects the owner]

If I had my way animal fighting would be government funded. Let's bee honest here, it'll be alot more entertaining than golf or tennis.

Screw that lets bring back gladiatorial games offer enough money and you'll get plenty of volunteers and it might help get rid of gutless simps that are afraid of blood and war or at least piss them off better yet rebuild the coliseum and feed them to the lions( disclaimer I'm kidding about that don't get upset we should crucify them) ( awh I'm kidding but seriously if you were offended by that joke go to hell) and no I'm not being sarcastic I'm just saying that I'm pro choice in that if people want to get them selves killed it should be legal, taxable, and possibly entertainment hey it's a free country even though there are moral laws that make it more restricted than imperial Rome. A lot more!

Entertaining, I certainly doubt it.

I'm scared for the fate of American society.

That, and animal cruelty is linked to other problems.

Animal cruelty has certain bondage with abortion, so to speak.

Compare and contrast your veiw on each.

At 7/21/07 10:20 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: Animal cruelty has certain bondage with abortion, so to speak.

Compare and contrast your veiw on each.

Ok first off lets not bring abortion into this, THIS thread is about animal fighting, tied into animal cruelty....see how those are linked? pretty simple! Now second who elected you to being thread forman and change convo into whatever you what, when you want? not only that but tell us to compare and then contrast our views on each.....STFU!

At 7/20/07 11:54 PM, JakeHero wrote:

At 7/20/07 11:47 PM, Me-Patch wrote: Your a heartless bastard if you think it's ok to torture innocent animals until they become mindlessly violant and than fight them to the death for money.

Why? Because I disagree with your sense of absolute morality. Isn't philosphy the field of sitting down and discussing the credibility of other's morality?

considering that you are taking an animal and abusing it, starving it, etc, until it becomes so violent even its master is scared of it. of course, let's throw morality out the window. what if i took YOU, strapped you to a wall, beat you senseless and starve you until I break your will and you become a mindless zombie? I mean, you're ONLY an animal, a human, which is little more than a monkey that can talk. if you die in the process, you can be replaced, new humans are born daily.

I love how this whole thing will go from animal cruelty to human cruelty....I mean by the end and death of this thread we will prolly be so far from topic as to be talking about evolution and all that fun shit! :)

It's because when you force these animals to fight they aren't given a choice, in the wild these animals pick their fights but here no, they are forced to fight in a ring by some sick fuckers who think it's competition to fucking force an animal to fight, the same goes for cockfighting, can't the rooster feel as much pain and suffering as a dog?

i think they should be made Legal, After all, they're just animals, And Big money could be made.

At 7/22/07 02:09 AM, Cobra82 wrote:

At 7/21/07 10:20 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: Animal cruelty has certain bondage with abortion, so to speak.

Compare and contrast your veiw on each.

Ok first off lets not bring abortion into this, THIS thread is about animal fighting, tied into animal cruelty....see how those are linked? pretty simple! Now second who elected you to being thread forman and change convo into whatever you what, when you want? not only that but tell us to compare and then contrast our views on each.....STFU!

It doesn't have to be discussed; only understood. They're tied because they have similar themes; Choice, Benefits and cruelty.

At 7/21/07 12:33 AM, Gwarfan wrote: What about mating rights for a female? Thats usually how theyu get the animals to fight, not by abusing them until they turn feral, but by playing on the mating seasons and introducing a female to their holding pens.

That is not at all true. Fighting animals are systematically tormented and trained to violence. Some have a stronger natural impulse for it than others, but it's not a natural phenomenon at all. In most species, mating competition is not deadly - in fact, in the strong majority, neither male is more than superficially injured. You cannot put two male domesticated dogs in a ring with a female in heat nearby and expect them to duke it out. Doesn't happen.

At 7/21/07 12:49 PM, Memorize wrote: Tell that to pit bulls.

Pit bulls are not naturally the vicious killers you see them become. The breed has a higher drive for violence than some, but many pit bulls are extremely pleasant animals. The ones that attack people have been improperly socialized, i.e. mistreated or simply isolated. Pit bulls were bred to fight bears, not each other, and that instinct has been perverted.

There was once a tradition of breeding champion fighting dogs. These animals were selected for their ferocity, tenacity, and strength. They were not fought to the death, but to submission, which is how natural dog fights (and most animal fights within the same species) end. If an animal performed poorly, it was not tortured to death. It would be taken out of the breeding line, possibly shot if there was no other use for it, but certainly not wet down and electrocuted. This practice has as much to do with modern dogfighting as Greco-Roman wrestling has to do with Smackdown.

And the "bred to die" excuse makes me absolutely sick. That's actually not what roosters are bred for. They're bred to fertilize chicken eggs and pass on desirable traits, like meatier breasts or beautiful feathers or whatever the breeder desires. Fighting cocks generally cannot be bred because they are dangerous to the females. You can't use an animal's eventual slaughter for meat or other use as an excuse to treat it barbarically. Just because an animal will eventually die does not negate what it experiences while it is alive. All animals feel pain.

Animals are pitted against each other, for a person's personal game, and/or their entertainment. That's why it's illegal.

At 7/22/07 11:38 AM, Kev-o wrote: Animals are pitted against each other, for a person's personal game, and/or their entertainment. That's why it's illegal.

Personal gain*

Some animals do fight on there own others cant we thankfully are one of the ones that do so let the games begin. Also lions are know to eat people on there own plus cock fights happen naturally. My point is since we are the only animals with a choice in the matter and reason why not. If this is a free country then why aren't we free, it's a joke. Obviously I don't advocate torturing animals or forcing people to fight but be honest that's why most people watch the discovery channel.

ok, let me explain this to you. read it slowly so you can understand.

people using dog combat for personal amusement is a very bad thing to do. people who do it go to hell when they die. do you understand?

At 7/22/07 12:27 PM, GaiusIuliusTaberna wrote: Some animals do fight on there own others cant we thankfully are one of the ones that do so let the games begin.

Even in the ancient gladiatorial arena, fighters were seldom killed. It's aberrant to nature to kill one's own species.

Also lions are know to eat people on there own plus cock fights happen naturally.

Natural barnyard cock fights are almost never fatal. It's a dominance display. It's not the same thing as strapping a big piece of sharp metal to a bird's foot and setting it on another bird after it's spent its entire life being tormented to make it aggressive.

Predators, with very few exceptions, go for the quick kill. They're less likely to be injured themselves.

Nothing about dogfighting, cockfighting, bullfighting, bear-baiting, and so on if natural. You can't defend it that way. Yes, Nature, red in tooth and claw. That does not mean "Hurr, I want to watch them bleed!"

Taking pleasure in the suffering of an innocent creature is sick.

At 7/22/07 09:39 AM, Kiddmeizter wrote: i think they should be made Legal, After all, they're just animals, And Big money could be made.

So I guess considering Humans are animals we should force our own kind to fight to the death. Lets start with you.

At 7/20/07 11:37 PM, JakeHero wrote: Maybe it's just my belief there's really no such thing as animal cruelty.

You are sick to think that animals dont have rights. Do u even know what dog fights include? They put 2 dogs in a cage and leave them to fight in a cage, and no it isnt natural. dogs dont fight each other to the death, in open terrain they will run away. But here they are gambling on who doesnt die. To put it in perspective to an empaty lacking jock: normally you live life happily. Then a superior idiotic race takes over the world and takes you hostage. They put you in a cage till starving point and then leave you with another part of your race. You are forced to fight him by this superior race because they think its a fun way to make money. One of you will die, and the problem is, if you dont die they take you to another fight. And on and on. Thats wat ur doing to the dogs. But i dont expect you to understand because you have no empathy. P.S. the whole government shouldnt care for animals is crap. Animals have rights too.

Maybe it's just my belief

Yeah, it is ur belief. The belief that humans are superior to everything.

At 7/20/07 11:37 PM, JakeHero wrote: I'm pretty sure most of you have heard the news of Michael Vick, quarterback for the Atlanta Falcons, being federally indicted for involvement in dog fighting. My first question is, why is this illegal? Dogs naturally fight, yet we don't see the government arresting animals in the environment. I know the last sentence was a bad argument, so I'll open up with a new one. Should it be the government's job on either the state or federal level to try and enforce these altruism laws regarding animals? Last time I checked, a government's job was to ensure the rights of its people. Someone explain to me since when animals are guaranteed protection from the government. I just don't buy this "They're defenseless creatures and need our help, yada yada" point. A little kid can get away with ripping off a crab's claws and allowing it to starve to death, yet someone can't attach metallic claws to roosters and let them kill eachother alot more expediently.

I honestly can't see what's so morally reprehensible by cock, dog, hog or any other animal fights to the death. Maybe it's just my belief there's really no such thing as animal cruelty.

ok yea i see your point about the whole crab thing but i think that if we can stop some animals being put through immense amounts of pain then i think that we should do something to stop it. Also i think that it should be the states job to stop it not the Federal goverment to stop it becasue i believe that they have some things a little bit more immportant than some dog fights, and if they dont then there is something wrong with the goverment. (Which I personally believe that their is something wrong with our goverment becasue when we leave our men and women over in some God Forsaken place dying for us to have the right to say whatever we want whenever we want then when someone is asked a question and is scared to say something that should be said there is something wrong.) But back on subject i think that is is wrong but i mean if i saw one goin on i would just keep on my way and not think anything about it. I wouldnt go all religious on someone or something.

At 7/22/07 02:29 PM, SkunkyFluffy wrote:

At 7/22/07 12:27 PM, GaiusIuliusTaberna wrote: Some animals do fight on there own others cant we thankfully are one of the ones that do so let the games begin.

Even in the ancient gladiatorial arena, fighters were seldom killed. It's aberrant to nature to kill one's own species.

Also lions are know to eat people on there own plus cock fights happen naturally.

Natural barnyard cock fights are almost never fatal. It's a dominance display. It's not the same thing as strapping a big piece of sharp metal to a bird's foot and setting it on another bird after it's spent its entire life being tormented to make it aggressive.

Predators, with very few exceptions, go for the quick kill. They're less likely to be injured themselves.

Nothing about dogfighting, cockfighting, bullfighting, bear-baiting, and so on if natural. You can't defend it that way. Yes, Nature, red in tooth and claw. That does not mean "Hurr, I want to watch them bleed!"

Taking pleasure in the suffering of an innocent creature is sick.

I know that that's my entire point! Gladiatorial games have an undeserved reputation thanks to Hollywood and mass ignorance and delusion about how advance ancient cultures really were. And you misunderstand me I don't advocate animal fights on the basis that wile we have reason and can chose to participate if we want and the government permits it in armed combat. Animals don't and can't speak up for themselves. It's okay to watch animals fight. It's not ok to force them to. Please don't twist my words to your own agenda.

At 7/22/07 04:38 PM, GaiusIuliusTaberna wrote: Please don't twist my words to your own agenda.

Perhaps if you made yourself more understandable when you post, then I wouldn't misinterpret your statements.

And you can drop the holier-than-thou attitude. Don't let's start talking about registration dates, hmm?

Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't God give us dominion over animals?

Anyway, if a dog is in a proximity that close to another dog, of course it'll want to maul it until it's a pile of bloody flesh. It percieves it as a threat, a threat that must be eleminated. We are doing nothing but putting them near eachother.

I am against severe animal cruelty, zoophilia and all that, but giving something that can, and most likely will happen naturally a nudge forwards is hardly to be critisized.

I say we spice things up, I say we eat the loser.

At 7/22/07 04:54 PM, SkunkyFluffy wrote: And you can drop the holier-than-thou attitude. Don't let's start talking about registration dates, hmm?

So you think the date someone signed up matters, you are one of the biggest dumb asses I've ever seen.

At 7/22/07 05:01 PM, LordJaric wrote:

At 7/22/07 04:54 PM, SkunkyFluffy wrote: And you can drop the holier-than-thou attitude. Don't let's start talking about registration dates, hmm?

So you think the date someone signed up matters, you are one of the biggest dumb asses I've ever seen.

The fact that he's been here less than a month and thinks that at 18 he's God's gift to intellectualism is more of a factor, I admit.

Don't mind me, I just have a severe allergy to morons.