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At 7/18/07 06:25 PM, Zerok wrote:

At 7/18/07 06:19 PM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: If you want to discuss or interact with people, it should go on the forums. Hence the term "forum".

But that's the thing. There's often very little actual discussion in the aforementioned threads. It's just a quick comment, or a diss, or some praise. The authour comments back (sometimes), and that's that. Userpages do exactly this. And they still allow for interaction.

But not the same interaction. If I post something I write on the forum, it's because I want everyone to read it, not just the people I know.

If there is little discussion, it's not the author's fault, as long as he's put effort into the post to try to make it informative or entertaining.

Now, if you're talking about these childish "Oh I had p00p for breakfast it was good lol" stories, then by all means, move them to the user page, because they violated the rules before. But if effort and humor is put in in an obvious attempt to entertain, then there should be no changes.

RATE ______ and "advice" threads are generally disallowed and dodgy, respectively. Story threads are still up in the air.

Then they should be looked at thread by thread, not by making "some X are crap, so therefore, all X are crap generalization.

I think the advice topics, rate threads, and such should go there. The story threads, however, I think should have a "Post All Links to Stories Here" thread. Kind of like the videos thread. That way, anyone can find a story when they want to read it and people don't necessarily need to use their sig space for it. Besides, the only way to see the story then would be to happen uppon the post of a person writing it. What if the only thing they want to post is their story?

I wouldn't want a thread for advice profiles, but the story one would be nice.

I don't care that much though, its not like I spend a lot of time on the bbs anymore.

At 7/18/07 06:15 PM, Craven-Dick wrote: You need to make a thread for it to get noticed.

I agree with you on that one. Unless your one of the more popular regulars on the forums, or one of the admins/moderators, you're userpage won't get much viewing and commenting traffic at all.

At 7/18/07 06:37 PM, Simon wrote: Discuss.

What would there be to discuss more like?

The creativity of people on the bbs is near nil most days.

At 7/18/07 06:15 PM, Craven-Dick wrote: You need to make a thread for it to get noticed.

At 7/18/07 06:38 PM, Kalandro wrote: I agree with you on that one. Unless your one of the more popular regulars on the forums, or one of the admins/moderators, you're userpage won't get much viewing and commenting traffic at all.

Don't forget, popular flash authors will get a lot out of the new user pages, too. It'll make it easier for them to link people to their content (**********.newgrounds.com) and they can keep their fans informed using news posts.

As for myself, I'm just a forum junkie. Only the users who have known me since I was a newbie will give a shit about anything in my profile.

Still, I have been using the news post feature to post things that probably wouldn't get a lot of attention on the forums -- for example, my own opinion of the redesign, etc.

I agree with mostly everything but I think that stories should stay in general. If they're in random people's pages, you can't find them.

At 7/18/07 06:35 PM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: But not the same interaction. If I post something I write on the forum, it's because I want everyone to read it, not just the people I know.

See the part I posted about bored randomers.

If there is little discussion, it's not the author's fault, as long as he's put effort into the post to try to make it informative or entertaining.

An attribute that is lacking in a lot of the threads I mentioned. Story threads are more subjective though.

Now, if you're talking about these childish "Oh I had p00p for breakfast it was good lol" stories, then by all means, move them to the user page, because they violated the rules before. But if effort and humor is put in in an obvious attempt to entertain, then there should be no changes.

The idea is to attack any sort of foolish "post count +1" topics. Story threads have been degrading gradually into these, on average.

Then they should be looked at thread by thread, not by making "some X are crap, so therefore, all X are crap generalization.

Never said that. I specifically stated "generally disallowed." Every thread I administrate is considered individually, owing partly to the fact that I have to open it to do anything to it.

Keep your rant to your userpage. We don't care about your shitty opinion. Wut?

Check my profile for the beginning of a story. I actually like writing stories there better because I can pace myself and come back to a story when I feel ready.

At 7/18/07 06:11 PM, Zerok wrote: If one of you silly mods already made this topic then lock 'n' link please.

OTHERWISE:

Since the userpages have the handy new "news" sections, we're thinking that ALL stories should be posted there. I was also thinking that any I WILL RATE _____ and "advice" topics should also be now prohibited in General

I agree, and I'd also like to throw in that any topic about an aura being better than another aura should be deletable. Sorry guys, its only a background color, it doesnt represent who you are.

I disagree with this too.

I don't actually like the story threads but a thread in the general forum is the best way for them to get attention and a lot of people seem to like them.

I don't see a whole lot of story threads either, so I wouldn't be too pushed about leaving them as they are.

I agree with this whole-heartedly. Let's hope it actually goes into affect..

Make a thread for people to post links to stories and stuff like that, since it's hard to come across it if it's on a blog.

Actually, it would be very hard to get noticed, unless you're a popular story writer, or you're very very lucky.

Except you would probably never get any feedback, everyone is too lazy to ever check your userpage let alone read your blog and comment, unless you're a newgrounds celebrity.

Its good for when I write porn :P

At 7/18/07 06:19 PM, Black-Chaos wrote: Story threads stay in General, and rate my shit threads go in the news/blog things.

That's my opinion.

I agree with this.
The story threads at least have comments that are worthwhile. The rate me threads are just postcount +1 and should go in blogs instead.

Hmm, why not just put ALL BBS posts to the userpages? That would be a mighty fine message board.

At 7/19/07 08:31 PM, LittleMissVixen wrote:

At 7/18/07 06:19 PM, Black-Chaos wrote: Story threads stay in General, and rate my shit threads go in the news/blog things.

That's my opinion.

I agree with this.
The story threads at least have comments that are worthwhile. The rate me threads are just postcount +1 and should go in blogs instead.

For the most part, no, stories don't have many worthwhile comments. And in any case, story thread creators should support the move to userpages since it'll be easier to keep chapters organized, rather than them getting buried or being more difficult to find for a user that missed a few chapters.

I understand where you're coming from, Zerok. But how many people view user pages, let alone know that there is a story on it?. If someone makes a story and wants a lot of newgrounders to see it then the best place to post is still the forums. Maybe that will change because news pages are new, maybe it won't.

Advise threads are better posted on forums if asking for advise but I think giving advise would be better done on the user page but the coverage of users who see the news entry will be small.

Now for my ONLY reason for giving the forum as the best place. Advertisement. If there is some way people can seek out the news pages or see if a news page has been updated then it would be different.

The only way I see this being implemented without advertising on a forum is by a dynamic list, (like the forums topics are) and/or a search news function and/or links in sigs.

I do see your point and although you can put one news entry a month on the front page I tried this and it stayed there for an hour. Until user pages get popular AND people start putting links in their sigs AND people start clicking on links in user sigs then the forum is the best place to put it.

Personally I say put it in your sig but unfortunately it is more effective on the forums at the moment.

/RANT

At 7/19/07 08:35 PM, VeryProudofYa wrote:

At 7/19/07 08:31 PM, LittleMissVixen wrote:

At 7/18/07 06:19 PM, Black-Chaos wrote: Story threads stay in General, and rate my shit threads go in the news/blog things.

That's my opinion.

I agree with this.
The story threads at least have comments that are worthwhile. The rate me threads are just postcount +1 and should go in blogs instead.

For the most part, no, stories don't have many worthwhile comments. And in any case, story thread creators should support the move to userpages since it'll be easier to keep chapters organized, rather than them getting buried or being more difficult to find for a user that missed a few chapters.

Actually as an author of a story here on general, I'd want to keep it in general because it will get more of an audience than if it were in my blog. If you start a story, how will you tell people about it if it's in your userpage? If that happened, you'd get useless threads saying "Hey go check out my story in my blog."

The majority of the comments seem to be "good chapter" and <insert criticism/praise here> type comments. And in some cases, the chapters can spark a conversation in the thread. Imo, stories should stay, and everything Zerok mentioned should go to blogs.

At 7/19/07 08:40 PM, 36Holla wrote: The majority of the comments seem to be "good chapter" and <insert criticism/praise here> type comments. And in some cases, the chapters can spark a conversation in the thread. Imo, stories should stay, and everything else Zerok mentioned should go to blogs.

fixed, and sorry for double post

At 7/19/07 08:35 PM, VeryProudofYa wrote:

At 7/19/07 08:31 PM, LittleMissVixen wrote:

At 7/18/07 06:19 PM, Black-Chaos wrote: Story threads stay in General, and rate my shit threads go in the news/blog things.

That's my opinion.

I agree with this.
The story threads at least have comments that are worthwhile. The rate me threads are just postcount +1 and should go in blogs instead.

For the most part, no, stories don't have many worthwhile comments. And in any case, story thread creators should support the move to userpages since it'll be easier to keep chapters organized, rather than them getting buried or being more difficult to find for a user that missed a few chapters.

To add on to that, it makes it easier to look for a particular story, instead of going through 500 posts to find one thread, you can just look through the authors library of stories/etc.

At 7/19/07 08:40 PM, 36Holla wrote:

The majority of the comments seem to be "good chapter" and <insert criticism/praise here> type comments. And in some cases, the chapters can spark a conversation in the thread. Imo, stories should stay, and everything Zerok mentioned should go to blogs.

See, most posts in story threads are +1.

"GOOD ONE"
"I LIKED IT"
"OKAY"

Posts which would be much better handled in the userpage comments section. Discussion could still occur there.

you have the sig in which to advertise, and, if you can let one of the writing clubs know you've began a new story. And you could always . PLus, if users actually gave a shit about you as an author, they'd check out your user page or notice what's in your sig. You wouldn't lose your fanbase and you'd make the forums a lot less faily.