Pro-life versus Pro-choice

[NeoNecronox]

Get ready to bash some skulls with conflicting opinions that will inevitably end in a shitstorm! Tell me Newgrounds, what side of this argument do you support and why?

Why the pro-lifer's are wrong: No one is every going to force you at gunpoint to get an abortion. The option of scrambling your unborn child's brains is decision made entirely by you and for this reason the pro-life movement comes apart at the seams. On the grounds of common sense alone, we know ourselves that there are some children that should not have been brought into this world, only to a life of suffering or neglect.

Furthermore, supporting the pro-life movement with your religious hooey just isn't going to hold up in the real world where laws are primarily based on fact and not faith/fiction.

Discuss.

[BLACKEntertainment]

I address the pro-life vs. pro-choice debate with this: America was founded on one basic principle, that was freedom. If we are truly free, how is it that we are not free to make our own decisions regarding abortions? It just doesn't make sense to me. Also, what happened to separation of church and state? I guess we just threw that old idea right out the window eh? The whole pro-life side of this argument is completely engulfed in religious propaganda, particularly that of the Christian right. I support their stance on abortions, and that they choose not to preform the act, so why can't they in turn support my right to choose to do the opposite? If we are truly free, how is it that a religious state of mind (in a democracy supposedly free of that interference) gets to take the rule over common sense and limit our rights in any way?

When we start to mingle church and state we slide away from being a just democracy, and become a fascist theocracy. I myself like living in Canada, and being free. If I wanted this bullshit I would move to Iran. I can't stand how these pro-life advocates can shudder to think about how terrible it is when the Muslims threaten us with terrorist attacks, and point out how crazy they are, but when arsonists set fire to the local abortion clinic they sit back in their la-z-boys and think to themselves "Another one bites the dust!"

I support anybodies right to choose their religion and decide whether or not something like abortion is right for them, but when you begin to force your own idea of what is right and what is wrong on me, you are violating my most basic constitutional (and human) right. Needless to say, I'll be pretty pissed.

[Brick-top]

Bit of a shitty topic but I'll go along.

The only argument that pro-lifers have is its against God where religion hasent got anything to do with it and its murder where it is not legally classified as murder.

[Me-Patch]

I think a lot of people are probably turned off by the whole murdering babies thing. You don't have to be religous to think that it's wrong to scramble the brains of unborn babies.

[LightandDark]

The Pro-life vs Pro-Choice, a classic people would debate about, but even though i`m an devout Catholic, i kinda support Pro-choice, there is a thing known as seperation of chruch and state, and i`m going recgonzie it, and how do they even know God hates it, i have yet to hear anything in the Bible that says that abortion is a sin. I hate people who use God as a excuse to do things, espically the Westboro Baptist Church, but of course you can`t find anybody who doesn`t hate it

[yankeekiller1]

i'm pro-life and liberial. i just think that we have to draw the line at somepoint. i think people should have their freedom and be able to make a choice, but it is still killing. Killing babies should not be legal.

[Memorize]

The only reason why leftists like you would be pro-abortion is because you refuse to accept responsibility for any action you take that has a consequence attached to it. Which really is the main platform of the democratic party.

Pro-abortion basically says that marrige isn't for love. It's just for free sex whenever you feel like having it.

Less than 1% of all abortions are rape. And over 50% of abortions are from middle class families and up.

It's not about "the child will have a bad life" or "it's not alive". You only want it legal so that people who have no responsibility (like you) will not have to take care of a child.

And that's when people try to rationalize abortion. "well, some shouldn't be in this world". When the truth is that those who decide to have an abortion are the ones who shouldn't be in this world, nor should they be having sex to begin with.

"Oh, but they're just a clump of cells". So is every other human being on the planet.

"Oh, but it's not alive, science says so". Science also had the same information about a fetus and they declared it as "alive" until 1973.

Truth is it's not about science. It's about not accepting the responsibility of a child. Not even science dtermines whether or not the fetus is alive and counts as a human. Which makes that excuse useless. Only a woman decides if it's alive regardless of what they claim science says. If a women is within the first trimester of having a child and is murdered, by law it counts as a double homocide despite science saying that the fetus isn't alive and does not count as a living being.

It isn't about pro-choicer's saying anything like "God's will", it's about child killers who don't want to accept any responsibility of a child. Life is one big game.

[SolInvictus]

At 7/17/07 06:31 PM, NeoNecronox wrote: Get ready to bash some skulls with conflicting opinions that will inevitably end in a shitstorm! Tell me Newgrounds, what side of this argument do you support and why?

why are you supporting and facilitating an inevitable shitstorm?

[onefingersalute1]

im pro choice but memorize is right to. people do abuse that right to choose. abortion is ok for rape or a carfully thought out decision about what is best. not for forgetting the rubber one night

[Hitmanslilhell]

At 7/18/07 01:08 AM, Memorize wrote: The only reason why leftists like you would be pro-abortion is because you refuse to accept responsibility for any action you take that has a consequence attached to it. Which.....

Your completely right, the wrong of abortion is really about irresponsibility. But can you really expect a whole nation to be perfectly responsible? People do stupid stuff all the time, and theres nothing we can really do about that. So stop getting hung over about the unborn babies being aborted, and worry about the living being killed.

[Memorize]

At 7/18/07 02:13 AM, Hitmanslilhell wrote:

Your completely right, the wrong of abortion is really about irresponsibility. But can you really expect a whole nation to be perfectly responsible? People do stupid stuff all the time, and theres nothing we can really do about that.

People comitt murder all of the time, it doesn't mean they get a free pass for it.

Now i'm not saying abortion is murder. But it certainly isn't something so simple as stubbing your toe, or being late for work.

So stop getting hung over about the unborn babies being aborted, and worry about the living being killed.

I wouldn't mind a few certain living people be dead.

[LordGilingham]

The ironic thing about this whole arguement is the entire Pro-Life side's arguement. They believe that all life is precious, but yet they still want soliders sent to the baby-grinder known as the Iraq War. The only difference between war and abortion is that in war, the person is old enough to suffer.

[Imperator]

Currently pro-choice because I believe in erasers. But I'm hesitant to take a definitive stance as of yet.....

[Memorize]

At 7/18/07 02:22 AM, LordGilingham wrote: The ironic thing about this whole arguement is the entire Pro-Life side's arguement. They believe that all life is precious, but yet they still want soliders sent to the baby-grinder known as the Iraq War. The only difference between war and abortion is that in war, the person is old enough to suffer.

The difference is that the military is voluntary.

[Thread-Killer]

They believe that all life is precious, but yet they still want soliders sent to the baby-grinder known as the Iraq War. The only difference between war and abortion is that in war, the person is old enough to suffer.

Hey we have a dumbass here. Yeah pro-lifers support Iraq because they want death and destruction. It's not like they are doing to save lives or anything.

[Thread-Killer]

At 7/18/07 12:36 AM, BLACKEntertainment wrote: I address the pro-life vs. pro-choice debate with this: America was founded on one basic principle, that was freedom. If we are truly free, how is it that we are not free to make our own decisions regarding abortions? It just doesn't make sense to me.

Then let me explain it in a way a dumbass can understand. You agree that everyone deserves freedom. Well the unborn child has freedoms. Specifically, the freedom not to be murdered.

Also, what happened to separation of church and state? I guess we just threw that old idea right out the window eh? The whole pro-life side of this argument is completely engulfed in religious propaganda, particularly that of the Christian right. I support their stance on abortions, and that they choose not to preform the act, so why can't they in turn support my right to choose to do the opposite? If we are truly free, how is it that a religious state of mind (in a democracy supposedly free of that interference) gets to take the rule over common sense and limit our rights in any way?

I'm not going to embarass by showing you how wrong and stupid you are here. Pick up the Constitution sometime and read it.

When we start to mingle church and state we slide away from being a just democracy, and become a fascist theocracy. I myself like living in Canada, and being free.

Good stay there. We don't want your kind here.

[gayjap3]

see now i can see both side to this argument but I would say I'm pro life if you are not ready for a child then use a condom it's that simple and if it breaks and you get pregnant then it's up to you I would per fer you have the baby who know it might find the cure for cancer shoot it might even create world peace for all we know and i think it's stupid how we say murder is wrong and that you will burn in hell where then people are saying your not killing the baby because it hasn't been born so your safe well in my opinion your kill a life that is in side you all babies are are parasite they live off of you until they can digest food for them self so the are technical consider a life of there own so your murdering something so your going to hell but then again thats my opinion

and yes i have horrible grammar

[thaleaf]

I myself am pro-choice on this situation. Every now and then, a girl might get pregnant that is not in the physical health to deliver a baby. In this case it would be wiser to destroy the fetus and save the mother's life than to rather have both the mother and baby die.

[LightandDark]

At 7/18/07 02:53 AM, Thread-Killer wrote:

At 7/18/07 12:36 AM, BLACKEntertainment wrote: I address the pro-life vs. pro-choice debate with this: America was founded on one basic principle, that was freedom. If we are truly free, how is it that we are not free to make our own decisions regarding abortions? It just doesn't make sense to me.

Then let me explain it in a way a dumbass can understand. You agree that everyone deserves freedom. Well the unborn child has freedoms. Specifically, the freedom not to be murdered.

Also, what happened to separation of church and state? I guess we just threw that old idea right out the window eh? The whole pro-life side of this argument is completely engulfed in religious propaganda, particularly that of the Christian right. I support their stance on abortions, and that they choose not to preform the act, so why can't they in turn support my right to choose to do the opposite? If we are truly free, how is it that a religious state of mind (in a democracy supposedly free of that interference) gets to take the rule over common sense and limit our rights in any way?

I'm not going to embarass by showing you how wrong and stupid you are here. Pick up the Constitution sometime and read it.

When we start to mingle church and state we slide away from being a just democracy, and become a fascist theocracy. I myself like living in Canada, and being free.

Good stay there. We don't want your kind here.

.......Oh so what makes the USA so great down there? No seriously what makes them so great, tell me what makes you Americans so great??? Why do you have to think we Canadians aren't so great? Tell me, tell me what lame reasons you could tell me. Because the only strength America got is Miltary, and that is IT!

[Drakim]

Personally, I support it because there is never a black and white situation. The mothers health may be in danger, or perhaps the baby has a disease that will cause it to die at a very young age and suffer along the way constantly. Or, the mother may have been raped and be way too young to give birth.

To completely ban abortions would cause a lot of harm, not just save thousands of lives that would live happily ever after.

As for the right to live argument, you could say the same for sperms and eggs. Why should a sperm and egg together be granted the right to life, while, eggs that simply lack sperm are worthless? I don't see where you get the line from that this is right and that is wrong.

[IllustriousPotentate]

I consider myself pro-life for the following reasons.

--Unwanted children can be put up for adoption, or be raised in a foster home. Either of the two is better than having no life at all.
--Many abortions are used as an ex post facto contraceptive. If you aren't ready to have a baby, then you need to use a contraceptive, or keep your legs closed. The same goes for any other lifestyle choice. If you don't want to get fat, don't go to McDonald's every day, etc.
--Personally, I feel that, if a woman wants control over her body, then she shouldn't have sex and create other bodies dependent on that body.
--Abortions after the fetus is viable I would consider murder, because the fetus is fully capable of living outside the womb.

However,
--It is not the government's place to mandate who can and can't have abortions.
--If a woman wants to get an abortion, it should be her choice.

In short, I'm a pro-choice pro-lifer. I'm against abortion, and I feel that women that get them as a result of concensual sex are immoral and heartless. However, it has no effect on my personal life, liberty, or property, so there is no reason for me to support any government action or involvement in an abortion.

[Fr0z3nb14d3]

Sometimes the rubber breaks.

Sometimes she forgets to take her pill.

Sometimes it drips down from the anal cavity direcly into the vaginal cavity.

Sometimes its too late to pull out.

Sometimes babies need to be killed.

[Drakim]

At 7/18/07 06:54 AM, Fr0z3nb14d3 wrote: Sometimes the rubber breaks.

Sometimes she forgets to take her pill.

Sometimes it drips down from the anal cavity direcly into the vaginal cavity.

Sometimes its too late to pull out.

Sometimes babies need to be killed.

Worst. Poem. Ever.

[morefngdbs]

At 7/18/07 02:16 AM, Memorize wrote: People comitt murder all of the time, it doesn't mean they get a free pass for it.

cough <O.J. Simpson> cough

[ApotheosisLost]

I'm pro-choice, but I'm also a bit of pro-life. I don't think you should view abortion as your first out, but if it really comes down to it, you should get an abortion. I mean, don't just get pregnant to have an abortion, or keep "forgetting" to use birth control or make your dude wear a condom. But yeah, I'm pro choice.

[Memorize]

At 7/18/07 05:56 AM, Drakim wrote: The mothers health may be in danger, or perhaps the baby has a disease that will cause it to die at a very young age and suffer along the way constantly. Or, the mother may have been raped and be way too young to give birth.

I don't think anyone is talking about those. Just the "I want to go in and get one because I don't want one" abortions.

At 7/18/07 06:54 AM, Fr0z3nb14d3 wrote:

Sometimes babies need to be killed.

Sometimes, certain men and women need to be killed to prevent this situation.

At 7/18/07 06:40 AM, IllustriousPotentate wrote:

--Unwanted children can be put up for adoption, or be raised in a foster home. Either of the two is better than having no life at all.

Yeah that certainly explains some of my family...

--Many abortions are used as an ex post facto contraceptive. If you aren't ready to have a baby, then you need to use a contraceptive, or keep your legs closed. The same goes for any other lifestyle choice. If you don't want to get fat, don't go to McDonald's every day, etc.

And yet we do nothing to solve this problem.

However, it has no effect on my personal life, liberty, or property, so there is no reason for me to support any government action or involvement in an abortion.

Translation: I don't want to get off my ass and do anything about it. I don't like getting "involved".

Hell, if the government can ban drugs, then they certainly can ban abortion.

[BLACKEntertainment]

At 7/18/07 02:53 AM, Thread-Killer wrote: Then let me explain it in a way a dumbass can understand. You agree that everyone deserves freedom. Well the unborn child has freedoms. Specifically, the freedom not to be murdered.

You're right the fetus has the right to choose not to be murdered, so when a woman goes in for an abortion and the baby says: "Hey lady, cut that shit out I want to life!" That's when we should stop the abortion process. Do you really want a baby being raised by people who don't want it in the first place? Throw out the whole rich-man poor-man part of it, these parents just don't want this kid. Is it really going to see the love that it deserves? Do you want it to grow up under parents that weren't responsible enough to stop it, and who clearly realize they aren't responsible enough to take care of it? I know I wouldn't. Either way my point is that we have the right to choose abortion. Do I support killing babies? No. But if some people don't want to have kids who am I to stop them?

I'm not going to embarass by showing you how wrong and stupid you are here. Pick up the Constitution sometime and read it.

Speaking of dumb ass, that doesn't constitute as an argument. I thought I was the dumb ass here? The one who had to have things dumbed down for him. I give you reasoned logic and you gave me "I can''t be bothered to argue with you." Way to waste my time shit head. Please, I beg you, embarrass me more, I can't wait. I want to see how wrong I am. Idiot.

Good stay there. We don't want your kind here.

Yeah, you wouldn't intelligence and common sense raining on the little parade you've got going down there.

[morefngdbs]

As a male, I don't think I should even have a right to vote in a decission on whether a woman should have the right to decide if she wants an abortion.

I truely believe that unless you are someone who has adopted at least once, you shouldn't have any say.
Why should you sit back on your ass and criticize someone for having an abortion, but your not prepared to go out an adopt a child who has been abandoned by a mother who has brought that child into the world & has cast it aside.

My fellings are ,if the fetus cannot survive outside of the host(female) body.
Then whatever decision the host(female) makes, on if to continue carrying or removing the fetus. It should be hers alone & she should have the ability to get whatever medical help is necessary.

[Memorize]

At 7/18/07 12:22 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

Why should you sit back on your ass and criticize someone for having an abortion, but your not prepared to go out an adopt a child who has been abandoned by a mother who has brought that child into the world & has cast it aside.

That's like me saying that I can't condemn someone for using cocain because I never knew what the addiction was like.

Then whatever decision the host(female) makes, on if to continue carrying or removing the fetus. It should be hers alone & she should have the ability to get whatever medical help is necessary.

And that's exactly what I said earlier. Science has nothing to do with it, depending on the abortion right's group argument. They'll use it, but they won't mean it.

[BLACKEntertainment]

Memorize what's with you and all the drug references? What's so bad about drugs? I don't do them of course, but I think they definitely should be legalized. You aren't even making arguments to contradict what people are saying anymore, you merely take those ideas and put them in another situation where they seem out of place. Anyone can do that.
I think IllustriousPotentate had it right.