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At 7/9/07 08:22 PM, Andersson wrote: Fact 1: The only way for an artist to make money now adays with illegal downloading all over the world is to appear at concerts.

That's an overblown opinion, not a fact, and you know it.

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It's an interesting topic Wade. Personally, I'm neutral about Live Earth and it's actions when on tour, traveling to cities, and et cetera. I will agree with you when you discussed their lectures to the public on reducing waste in our communities - they waste just as much as us while holding the campaigns, and no, that's not a good enough excuse to what they're doing in general.

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At 7/9/07 08:47 PM, Grammer wrote: We need to do more to help our Earth, and we can't just sit there are say "oh, it's not our fault, the millions of gallons of gasoline poured into the air every day isn't hurting us". I know you haven't said that specifically, but we should all be on board with the whole "cut down on green house gas" message. That's why I enjoyed the Live Earth concert.

I'm all for coming up with cleaner energy sources, etc. The problem is we just don't know what the right thing to do is. We could reduce emissions and learn that it triggered an ice age that could have been avoided if only we kept doing what we were doing.

I can tell you one thing this bio fuel made from corn isn't good. Farmers are choosing to grow more corn now to sell as fuel, instead of FOOD. In South America they will slash and burn more rain forrests to grow corn, for fuel. Coffee prices, tequia prices, etc, are going up because people are switching their crops to corn. Eventually other crops will be worth more because we'll be paying through the nose to buy coffee, tequila, or whatever, and it will be profitable for farmers to grow more.

Also more corn for fuel means higher corn prices which means higher feed prices for farmers feeding pigs, cows, etc that eat corn.

Burning our food supply = bad. It would be better to suck oil out from the Earth and burn that before clearing out trees to grow corn and ruin the top soil from corn, corn, corn. Farmers may stop rotating crops to keep producing corn if there is enough demand, which is harder on the soil.

Now they are also finding they can make bio fuel from algae, which may be a better option. Especially if they can grow it on land that isn't useful for anything else, or even in the ocean.

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What Wade's getting at is a good view. They're hypocrites, none the less. How can you tell people to concerve, when they do more damage hosting a concert?

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At 7/9/07 07:02 PM, Zerostar wrote: dumb? excuse me, I didn't throw any insults at you.

BTW, sorry to call you dumb, but saying people don't drive in mass to concerts is just silly. Sure, there are probably exceptions, but not in most places. Check this out, just some random page I pulled up:

http://www.wrx900.com/Ohio%20Dave.htm

Many people go on "road trips" to see their favorite bands. DMB especially pulls in a lot of people, and he was at the Live Earth concert. The final picture on the page comments on all the people driving in to see DMB.

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oooh intresting Master good find!! im looking at wiki right now about live earth and doing alot of Google


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back to the original live earth topic, honestly, i only watched the thing because of everything else BUT the concerts. well yeah it was cool, music to help the earth and all that crap, but the waste of electricity, gas, and all the junk food rests left in all of the places is just too much polution to not counter the cause, they contaminated more than they helped the enviroment by changing people's minds... honestly many people went to the concert because of the music not because "they wanted to help the cause"

the only things i apreciated from the whole event were those animations about climate change, they really got to me, they were really well done, and i think they worked more that the actual concerts, i didnt hear many inspiring words from the artists at the concerts, it felt pretty much like an ormal concert, i was also expecting it to be kinda energy saver, but it seemed as big and expensive with all those big lights and screens and crap as other concerts without cause : P

oh well, i hope they kinda change that and live earth becomes more enviromental friendly next year, im with wade : P


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At 7/9/07 07:33 PM, BoogieWookie wrote: I got the three panels with an tax write off, plus a proposal and they came to around $146,000 that I am paying off per monther after $20,000 down.

While I applaud your efforts and think what your doing is way cool, I rest my case. Most people don't have that kind of money to invest, or the technical know how to maintain such a system. If someone had to pay out of pocket for solar panel repairs, battery repairs, new batteries, etc, I think it would be hard to come out ahead. Right now it takes someone like you to make it happen, but hopefully in a few years the technology will get cheaper, cleaner, and more user friendly.

My electric bills have gone up lately, largely due to higher gas prices, etc. Let's say I pay an average of $200 per month, so over the coarse of 30 years, I'd spend $72,000 on energy. That's half of what you've spent just on the panels, so the investment wouldn't make sense for me, other than to do my part to help conserve. Even if energy prices continue to rise, it would be hard to come out ahead with current solar panel pricing.

Also my yard isn't large enough to support 3 panels that size, even if I put them on my roof I doubt I could do it. Not everyone has that kind of open space.

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since im too young to help the cause significantly, i just make simple actions like turn the AC off early in the morning and on way later in the night, turn off light when not in use, also the computer take short showers... oh and i actually convinced my parents to go walking somewhere instead of using the car :P

i also have that *help code in my nickname in MSN, for the I'M campaign against global warming... doesnt help much i know :P


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Big artists, such as the ones that performed for Live Earth, don't give a rat's arse about the planet as long as it doesn't die in their lifetime. They get paid to say things that will conserve the planet in order to gain more fans and be broadcast world wide... it's a win-win situation for them. I mean, I liked Live Earth cuz of the acts, but in actuality, their deceiving the easily fooled into thinking that they are saving the earth.

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yeah, i really hate that too


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Its just gain attention i dont think most of them really give a shit neither the celbreties or the fans. Me all i want to see is linkin park preform, thats all. all the crap about conserving and saveing the planet its all blah blah blah. Really dosent matter to me.


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At 7/9/07 10:08 PM, casino1251 wrote: Its just gain attention i dont think most of them really give a shit neither the celbreties or the fans. Me all i want to see is linkin park preform, thats all. all the crap about conserving and saveing the planet its all blah blah blah. Really dosent matter to me.

They should ban linkin park too. It's turning the younger side of my generation into idiots.

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Arent they just getting celebrities to say it for them for them as most people will listen to what celebrities have to say? Yeah I dont think any of them actually care or think about it.

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At 7/9/07 10:08 PM, casino1251 wrote: Its just gain attention i dont think most of them really give a shit neither the celbreties or the fans. Me all i want to see is linkin park preform, thats all. all the crap about conserving and saveing the planet its all blah blah blah. Really dosent matter to me.

You got another planet lined up to live on?

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hey its gonna happen, its gonna happen and we cant stop it.


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At 7/9/07 10:27 PM, casino1251 wrote: hey its gonna happen, its gonna happen and we cant stop it.

What a wonderfully sheltered anarcist point of view. You think none of this matter because right now to you global warming means going inside to the air conditioning and conservation means rationing the cheetos until mom buys more. Life dosen't stay that way

I have nothing against people who can use pot and lead a productive life. It's these sanctimonius hippies that make me wish I was a riot cop in the 60's

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Yeah, I can understand misliking hypocrosy, but still I don't have a problem with them trying to give a good message. Its better than nothing, and it was probably being pushed before LED was an alternative. Once the cogs are rolling they take forever and then by the time it happens its outdated. Not as an insult, but just think about the redisign. How long has that been planned? Things take a while to happen. Record companies have to approve. Lawyers have to approve. Lobbyists have to send enough letters to be heard (there goes the rainforest).

Anyway, LEDs might be really cheep, but I always thought they were a bit to bright and harsh... I like a softer light...

Fact of the matter is, everytime we heat our homes in the winter we contribute to global warming. Cities are the heaters of the world and probably doing a much more harmful job than CO2 levels... You don't see anyone telling us to start building houses underground and forsake costly wasteful heating.

I just don't know that this celebrity thing is really worth any piss. I mean, just stop paying them any attention. I can't remember the last time I watched tv. I don't buy music. I certainly don't go to concerts. Who fucking cares how drunk they get. I'm not going to watch their lives suck or their bodies prancing around on stage because quiet frankly I care more about what is going on around me than wherever they are and whatever the fuck they are doing.

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I would only go to this to see my fav bands in concert. The whole concept of this is indeed bullshit.

Roger Waters, The Police, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Foo Fighters, Wolfmother. Those are the only bands I would see. And their pretty much scattered across the world.

hah imagine if somehow, comically, that this specific event somehow caused the world to explode/destroy itself/etc. God that would be hilariously ironic.


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I hate celebrities in general that try to force opinions down peoples throats. There's the hippies that rant about the environment than go fly on a charter plane 5 time a week, theres the religious fuck who asks for the freedom to express his opinions, but his opinions are he knows the truth and you don't, then theres the people who think giving Africa money will truly help them when all the money just gets hoarded by the corrupt governments.
No celebrities are honest about anything, hell, they wouldn't even think about doing any of it if they didn't think they could get some free publicity by doing it.


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Still, they will do more good than you will ever do in your insignificant little life.

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At 7/9/07 09:50 PM, WadeFulp wrote: My electric bills have gone up lately, largely due to higher gas prices, etc. Let's say I pay an average of $200 per month, so over the coarse of 30 years, I'd spend $72,000 on energy. That's half of what you've spent just on the panels, so the investment wouldn't make sense for me, other than to do my part to help conserve. Even if energy prices continue to rise, it would be hard to come out ahead with current solar panel pricing.

Also my yard isn't large enough to support 3 panels that size, even if I put them on my roof I doubt I could do it. Not everyone has that kind of open space.

This has been and interesting topic. I agree with your points. Now we just need America to put in eletric trains to promote healthier transportation!


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At 7/9/07 11:26 PM, gumOnShoe wrote: Yeah, I can understand misliking hypocrosy, but still I don't have a problem with them trying to give a good message. Its better than nothing, and it was probably being pushed before LED was an alternative. Once the cogs are rolling they take forever and then by the time it happens its outdated. Not as an insult, but just think about the redisign. How long has that been planned? Things take a while to happen. Record companies have to approve. Lawyers have to approve. Lobbyists have to send enough letters to be heard (there goes the rainforest).

Anyway, LEDs might be really cheep, but I always thought they were a bit to bright and harsh... I like a softer light...

Fact of the matter is, everytime we heat our homes in the winter we contribute to global warming. Cities are the heaters of the world and probably doing a much more harmful job than CO2 levels... You don't see anyone telling us to start building houses underground and forsake costly wasteful heating.

I just don't know that this celebrity thing is really worth any piss. I mean, just stop paying them any attention. I can't remember the last time I watched tv. I don't buy music. I certainly don't go to concerts. Who fucking cares how drunk they get. I'm not going to watch their lives suck or their bodies prancing around on stage because quiet frankly I care more about what is going on around me than wherever they are and whatever the fuck they are doing.

LEDs are a softer light. That is why the theater industry wants to implement them but is having a hard time.

Technology is exponential. Sony already has paper thin high definition TVs that adhere to a electrically charged velcro. The same is with LEDs and other products. Businesses want to milk consumes for their money, so they slowly relase upgrades.

The reason that LEDs are not popular is because they haven't gotten the supply big enough to be cheap for the consumer to replace all the lights in their house in an efficient manner.


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Wow, you guys make me /palmface. Seriously, you actually beleive man contributes to Global Warming? "But our Carbon", we give out the LEAST amount of Carbon, if Carbon was affecting the temperature (which it isn't) then we wouldn't have a snowballs chance in hell to even try and change it.

Stop sucking the medias tit.

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I actually agree with you wade, I am not the most EF person there is but I do my part, I have the Florescent Bulbs and I recycle, I also stopped buying Cotton Undershirts(I now Buy Hemp Shirts) and Bleached paper products, and I gave up on Foam paper products as well.

If you wanna help out the environment, stop holding concerts and stop making CD's and Get your fucking music online, and reduce the waste.

I also have all my Checks Directly Deposited and get a monthly statement from every place I work to reduce my paper trails.

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At 7/10/07 12:54 AM, Sanity-of-Insanity wrote: If you wanna help out the environment, stop holding concerts and stop making CD's and Get your fucking music online, and reduce the waste.

In regards to environment, yes this would help. In regards to temperature? No.

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Wait, live earth was put on to benefit the enviroment?
I guess you learn something new every day.

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