Islam and Hatred.

[RUDE]

I respect the Islamic religion even though I don't beleive in god. For some reason though I really find this religion to be a such a hateful one, from hating jewish people, to Christians, to Westerners, I mean, the list goes on. What do you guys think about this?

[mysecondstar]

At 6/13/03 02:56 PM, DontAsk wrote: I respect the Islamic religion even though I don't beleive in god. For some reason though I really find this religion to be a such a hateful one, from hating jewish people, to Christians, to Westerners, I mean, the list goes on. What do you guys think about this?

do you really want to know what i think? i think you are a fucking un cultured moron. you know nothing about Islam. all you know are the Islamic extremists in the world. emphesis on EXTREME. which means it doesn't happen very often. yet you look at the news and don't realize what is truely going on. and now here you are saying something as ignorant as you are. pick up a Koran and you tell him how much of a hatred based religion Islam is.

[Alejandro1]

At 6/13/03 03:14 PM, mysecondstar wrote: do you really want to know what i think? i think you are a fucking un cultured moron. you know nothing about Islam. all you know are the Islamic extremists in the world. emphesis on EXTREME. which means it doesn't happen very often. yet you look at the news and don't realize what is truely going on. and now here you are saying something as ignorant as you are. pick up a Koran and you tell him how much of a hatred based religion Islam is.

I absolutely agree with that. Islam gets a bad rap because of those radicals that blow themselves up; not all Muslims are that way. Using a religion for violence is a sin in my opinion, and I'm sure other people could agree with me on that.

Another big infuence of the hatred is not based on the religion itself, but moreso the leaders. I mean, if you think the US uses a lot of propoganda, you've never seen some of those countries.

A typical Iraqi student's schedule:
7:00-8:00:: math
8:00-9:00:: science
9:00-10:00:: history
10:00-11:00:: hate americans 101

[BleedingGumsMurphy]

Sorry DONTASK, but THESECONDSTAR is right you should definitly look into it some more or go my route and just think every religion is retarded and should not be followed.

[RUDE]

So if it isn't based on a lot arounds hatred what is it based around then? Why is it that they are currently ignoring any peace negotiations in the middle East? Well for one the number one killer of Jewish people since Adolf Hitler Yassir Arafat won't comply. They teach their children at a young age to do nothing but hate, hate, hate. To blow themselves up in the name of hatred and Allah, so don't tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about because I very well do thank you very much.

[antiqkk]

At 6/13/03 03:57 PM, DontAsk wrote: So if it isn't based on a lot arounds hatred what is it based around then? Why is it that they are currently ignoring any peace negotiations in the middle East? Well for one the number one killer of Jewish people since Adolf Hitler Yassir Arafat won't comply. They teach their children at a young age to do nothing but hate, hate, hate. To blow themselves up in the name of hatred and Allah, so don't tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about because I very well do thank you very much.

So do you agree with the actions of Israel then? Yeah, tell those bad bad Palestinians to go back to their opressed families and continue living their miserable lives and be happy with it. Let Israelis slowly advance into the Palestinian land with their settlements. After all that's what it says on TV, bad Islamic suicide bombers kill innocent Jews for no reason. I'm sure if you lived in Palestine you'd feel the same way. Most of those people have nothing to lose there. It is not a religion based on hatred, hatred is what developed in those people's heart after years being treated accordingly. What goes around comes around.

[Alejandro1]

At 6/13/03 04:08 PM, antiqkk wrote: So do you agree with the actions of Israel then? Yeah, tell those bad bad Palestinians to go back to their opressed families and continue living their miserable lives and be happy with it. Let Israelis slowly advance into the Palestinian land with their settlements. After all that's what it says on TV, bad Islamic suicide bombers kill innocent Jews for no reason. I'm sure if you lived in Palestine you'd feel the same way. Most of those people have nothing to lose there. It is not a religion based on hatred, hatred is what developed in those people's heart after years being treated accordingly. What goes around comes around.

I disagree with both the actions of the Israelis and the Palestinians. In all honesty, this is really none of the US's business. If the Israeli and Palestinian leaders can't come to an agreement, we could either force something on them or we could withdraw from the situation completely and tell both sides to go fuck themselves.

[antiqkk]

At 6/13/03 04:30 PM, alejandro1 wrote: I disagree with both the actions of the Israelis and the Palestinians. In all honesty, this is really none of the US's business. If the Israeli and Palestinian leaders can't come to an agreement, we could either force something on them or we could withdraw from the situation completely and tell both sides to go fuck themselves.

Well, of course it is really none of the US business. Israel got the land after WWII and they clearly feel like they can do whatever they want there. America helps Israel and the Palestinians, who are clearly opressed have nothing much to lose. So they terrorise the Israelis. I disagree with both sides' actions as well, as nothing can be achieved through constant violence. It has to be settled peacefully, but it will be hard to stop fighting now that it has gone so far.

[mrpopenfresh]

What do you mean they teach their children hate? Its possible, iv'e seen the footage too, but these people are fundamentalist. Open your eyes! There's fundmanetalist's in every god damm religion! Just take a look at all those christion nutcases that interpret every single word in the bible. I mean, they go out and start dancing with venomous snakes because something remotely close was written in the book! Please, don't base your views on a religion or race on a certain aspect of it. Maybe next time you should look up a bit more information on whatever it is your'e going to talk about.

[mysecondstar]

dear God the problems in the Middle East have NOTHING to do with Islam or Judaism. it has to do with land and control. get that straight.

Death Party Star warns people of the ways of Islam! Satan in disguise of the Holy Archangel Gabriel sent the 'message of God' to a false prophet!

"Man has authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, [b]admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them[/b]." (4:34, Quran)

"[b]Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends[/b]. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrongdoers." (5:49, Quran)

[misterx2000]

I find DeathPartyStar to be wrong. Having watched a video about Islam, I now know that there is actually mention of Jesus and Christianity in the Koran, perhaps more so than in the Bible. There is no mention of hatred or clashing rivals.

DontAsk, your views are based solely on the AMERICAN media. No media cares wholly about the truth, only money.

Israel & Palestine: basically, it's nurture not nature. And the guy's right, it's NOT about religion it's about LAND and having space to live, and politics.

[bumcheekcity]

At 6/13/03 02:56 PM, DontAsk wrote: I respect the Islamic religion even though I don't beleive in god. For some reason though I really find this religion to be a such a hateful one, from hating jewish people, to Christians, to Westerners, I mean, the list goes on. What do you guys think about this?

Well... Muslimity does have a lot of extremists in its midts, but so does every other religion. I wouln't say Osama is any worse than the kinds guy who stands at the funerals of AIDS victims with big signs saying 'GOD HATES FAGS'

[bumcheekcity]

At 6/13/03 05:42 PM, DeathPartyStar wrote: Death Party Star warns people of the ways of Islam! Satan in disguise of the Holy Archangel Gabriel sent the 'message of God' to a false prophet!

Please stop doing the third person thing.

"Man has authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them." (4:34, Quran)

Men aren't superior. Women can be stronger and smarter. There are a lot of men who are drug addicts, scum and live shitty lives, and there are a lot of bright women with successful careers.

Does the Qu-ran really say that quote above?

Death Party Star ensures you that the quotes are directly from the Qu'ran! Allah promotes the beatings of women and the slaughter of Jews and Christians! Islam is not a religion of peace, but a horrendous religion of hate and strife against non-Muslims!

[weaponrxn]

Something many people do not know about (because of the damn media). Jihad (I think i spelled that wrong) means holy struggle, not holy war. The Islamic texts states that war should be avoided at all cost. Try to talk it out and if it fails than talk some more. Many of the "holy war" hungry people created this illusion. Think about it. The high ranking people are recruiting people to commit suicide bombings and saying that they will go to some sort of paradise yet these ranking officials do not do it themselves. Yeah maybe its because they are in this "hell" to lead the war but still, it takes advantage of the young adults that have no real future; since this paradise is aimed at the young adults with no "real" future.

[wdfcverfgtghm]

Islam is a more violent Religion than most popular religions. I've studied religion for a while, and have recently collected a sizeable book shelf on the main asian religions. (Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Confucianism, Shintaoism, and Sanathana Dharma) I've found that Islam is the most violent of all of them.

When Mohammed attacked the Caravans from Mecca, after he had regained his property, he declared that it was in order to convert them to Islam. Many religions would not want to force religion through violence, but I can't see how this would be justifable as spread of religion. How is attacking Meccan caravans going to convert peacefully?

Islam is not a religion of war, but it is not an innocent religion. Many people have abused religion for a purpose that currupts it, but the prophet of a religion using it to steal from merchants using violence... that's not peaceful.

[misterx2000]

At 6/14/03 09:13 PM, weaponrxn wrote: Something many people do not know about (because of the damn media). Jihad (I think i spelled that wrong) means holy struggle, not holy war. The Islamic texts states that war should be avoided at all cost.

That's right. I remember a "controversial" speech by the head student at Harvard in 2001 or 2002...he used the word jihad and people critised him because they say it brings up images of suicide bombers and 911. THIS is what I mean. A jihad is a personal struggle or crucible, managing to overcome your difficulties.
Evil politicians and the media are twisting it out of context.

[misterx2000]

At 6/14/03 09:08 PM, DeathPartyStar wrote: Death Party Star ensures you that the quotes are directly from the Qu'ran! Allah promotes the beatings of women and the slaughter of Jews and Christians! Islam is not a religion of peace, but a horrendous religion of hate and strife against non-Muslims!

There are 5 pillars of Islam which its based on, one of which is Charity. None of them mention war.

[wdfcverfgtghm]

At 6/15/03 09:48 AM, misterx2000 wrote:

At 6/14/03 09:13 PM, weaponrxn wrote: Something many people do not know about (because of the damn media). Jihad (I think i spelled that wrong) means holy struggle, not holy war. The Islamic texts states that war should be avoided at all cost.

That's right. I remember a "controversial" speech by the head student at Harvard in 2001 or 2002...he used the word jihad and people critised him because they say it brings up images of suicide bombers and 911. THIS is what I mean. A jihad is a personal struggle or crucible, managing to overcome your difficulties.
Evil politicians and the media are twisting it out of context.

Jihad is both a personal struggle and a struggle to convert others to Islam. There is the Jihad of personal love and conviction, and the Jihad of self-defense. Both war and peace apply, but is is suppose to be a way of peace only, unless in self-defense. It's misused not only by terrorists, but by many Muslims as many religions have been to be a weapon of war.

[wdfcverfgtghm]

At 6/15/03 09:52 AM, misterx2000 wrote:

At 6/14/03 09:08 PM, DeathPartyStar wrote: Death Party Star ensures you that the quotes are directly from the Qu'ran! Allah promotes the beatings of women and the slaughter of Jews and Christians! Islam is not a religion of peace, but a horrendous religion of hate and strife against non-Muslims!

There are 5 pillars of Islam which its based on, one of which is Charity. None of them mention war.

None of them mention war, but it is a more aggresive religion than most. In Sanathana Dharma, forcing religion is immoral and wrong. In the first Pillar of wisdom, there is no god but God. Like the other Near East monotheist religions, Islam seeks to be the only religion and converts others.

Many religions live in harmony without conversion, these are principles that I see important in a religion, and a life style.

Death Party Star not only knows that Islam is a violent religion, Islam's "prophet of God" is also a child molester!

Mohammed had sex with a 9 year old girl! Death Party Star does not understand why any religion would be so proud of a man who has sex with children.

Reference: Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236

[RUDE]

I knew verry well that I knew what I was talking about, now don't get me wrong, not every Muslim promotes violence but there are many more of them who do compared to the ones that don't, name me a positive muslim figure in the world today, anyone who tried to defend or protext the name of Islam after the September 11th attacks or the constant stuggle for peace in the Middle East. The current problem in the Mid East is just a small part of the puzzle, I only used that as an example. I have a Muslim friend who once told me that really whenever a muslim sees a Jewish person that they're really supposed to kill them (for obvious reasons they can't), I didn't quote him but that is basically what he said.

[RUDE]

At 6/15/03 01:16 PM, DeathPartyStar wrote:

Mohammed had sex with a 9 year old girl! Death Party Star does not understand why any religion would be so proud of a man who has sex with children.

I heard about that too, 6 at the De-flowering if I might just correct you there. I mean common, what is that all about. I won't get into how this totally credits how he couldn't have been a prophet of any god.

[RUDE]

At 6/15/03 01:26 PM, DontAsk wrote:

I heard about that too, 6 at the De-flowering if I might just correct you there. I mean common, what is that all about. I won't get into how this totally credits how he couldn't have been a prophet of any god.

*discredits how he could have been a prophet. Sorry for the triple post but I had to correct myself there.

[shitass]

Some people in here are so fucking brainwashed by the news. Islam is not at all about hate. I am a muslim and have nothing against Jews or Christians or anyone for that matter. You people have no fucking idea what you're talking about. There are fundamentalists in every religion. Hell, there's a bornagain Christian running the country right now. Not all muslims are terrorists, and the ones that ARE terrorists dont kill people because their religion tells them to. Read the Koran and tell me where it says to kill Westerners!

[shitass]

At 6/14/03 09:08 PM, DeathPartyStar wrote: Death Party Star ensures you that the quotes are directly from the Qu'ran! Allah promotes the beatings of women and the slaughter of Jews and Christians! Islam is not a religion of peace, but a horrendous religion of hate and strife against non-Muslims!

Death Party Star has no idea what he's talking about. Go read the Koran before you start talking shit.

[shitass]

Other religions are just as violent as Islam. What do you think the Middle Ages was all about? or the salem witch trials? And dont tell me that Christians dont force religion on people. They are always out there trying to scare you and convert you. Islam is no more evil than any other religion. Besides, did you ever take the time to realize that Christians and Muslims have the same god?? Allah is just god's name, just like Jehovah is god's name.

[leperchaun81]

I think we should lock them all in a room and burn it, they hate us because we bathe and our lives don't revolve around praying, making our women wear cloaks, and tending to the camels.

[wdfcverfgtghm]

At 6/15/03 02:14 PM, shitass wrote: Other religions are just as violent as Islam. What do you think the Middle Ages was all about? or the salem witch trials? And dont tell me that Christians dont force religion on people.

These are examples of people taking a religion and doing something violent with it. In the religion of Islam, there are many more violent actions than in most other religions. The objective unaltered religion is more violent than most religions.

Mohammed attacked merchant traders, which is violent and justified in a way that does not seem very moral.

Also Islam declares there is no god but one God. This is not bad, but it does not allow the views of other people to coexist in harmony.

Not all religions are totalyl peaceful, but Islam is one of the more violent religions.