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This logic is flawed, and I will explain to you why:
The first part of your argument basically states 'There is something, and in order for things to exist, there has to be a cause.' The next part of the argument says, basically, 'God did it.'
This is the same flaw I have been talking about in the 'Do we need religion' thread. When you blindingly attribute the existence of matter to God because you cannot think of another possible way for it to exist, you are ruling out all the possibilities that your human brain cannot even fathom, and therefore being arrogant in your assumption that your relatively complex brain is the most perfect thing in existence and can understand its own origin fully.

At 6/13/03 02:23 PM, mysecondstar wrote: is anyone else really annoyed by this third person speak?

Very annoyed...I think it's just the newbies attempt to sound cool...since his level and post count do not give him any sort of help in the credibility department.

Imagine a Trampoline, if you set an extremely heavy and small object on the center of the membrane, it would bend it down into almost a v shape (curvier though. If you keep increasing the weight, the membrane will break. Imagine if, the membrane immediately reforms, the rip would be repaired causing the trampoline to revert to its original state, around the object would be another spherical membrane where the geometry would be quite different.

At 6/13/03 12:20 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:

At 6/13/03 11:29 AM, Judge_Dredd wrote: physics at the early universe were weird but not godly.

The potentiality (spark inside a vaccuum; which by definition is not yet a universe) ..at the beginning of measurable time caused by a leaking into our dimension of stupendous ammounts of hydrogen atoms which are in turn the result of the spearation of matter and anti-matter.

Basically, a spill in the cosmic ocean from a universe existing in along another plane of reality

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What God?

I'm not letting you get off that easy, Dredd. Where did the other dimension come from? Where did the rules of physics that caused these processes come from? Rules are something, and we have to start with nothing, remember?

Our universe appears to us to be a gigantic void. However, an extremely likely situation is that far out enough there is other matter, but the light has not reached us yet. Imagine that the universe is the size of a marble. The outside of the marble represents the distance that light has travelled from matter in that universe. A circle full of marbles cannot see each other because the light from one has not overlapped the light from another yet. The entire circle of marbles (universes) is what we call a Multiverse.

A multiverse would contain an immeasurable number of universes, but it is extremely likely that it could contain a gigantic, maybe infinite number. A multiverse defines its contents with a standard set of physics: what the speed of light is, other constants in our physical reality.

Since each universe is governed by the same physical laws, they all evolve in a similar way, creating parallel universes with planets that probably have skies that look very similar to ours, and galaxies that mimic those in our universe.

Scientists have decided there are only 10x10^27 possible arrangements for all of the matter in our universe. If the number of universes with the same amount of matter as ours exceeds 10x10^27, then there is no doubt that at least one pair of universes is completely identical at some point in their existences.

One generally accepted theory about what is beyond the multiverse, whatever its definitions may be, is that many, possibly all multiverses, occupy the same area but on different dimensional plains of some sort. If there were interactions between two neighboring multiverses, it could be possible that matter overflowing from one would 'rip' through into the next multiverse, popping up a universe somewhere in the void of the other.

Since a collection of multiverses is currently defined as a Level II Multiverse, and quantum physics predicts at least 4 levels of Multiverse containtment, now we're looking at a God that didn't just create man, or the planet, or the universe, but a God that completely overwhelms the mind of man and might not be possible to imagine with a human mind.

Assuming 'God' is even the thing we're looking for.

TheShrike thinks you won't be hearing from DeathPartyStar any time soon.

mysecondstar is relieved to see this. huzzah!