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Im sort of a liberal but what i dont understand is why conservitives think liberals hate America, They say we hate it because we want to end the war, in fact we want to see as many soldiers come back alive as posible and not die in a pointless political war, but you know we arent the ignorant ones.

At 7/6/07 08:46 PM, mooselad wrote: Im sort of a liberal but what i dont understand is why conservitives think liberals hate America, They say we hate it because we want to end the war, in fact we want to see as many soldiers come back alive as posible and not die in a pointless political war,

Oh there are many reasons.

but you know we arent the ignorant ones.

lol

At 7/6/07 08:46 PM, mooselad wrote: Im sort of a liberal but what i dont understand is why conservitives think liberals hate America, They say we hate it because we want to end the war, in fact we want to see as many soldiers come back alive as posible and not die in a pointless political war, but you know we arent the ignorant ones.

I hate it when conservatives bash liberals, so I'm going to bash conservatives on an internet forum unprovoked. Common man.

Yeah i know sorry dude but im that kinda person

I think my post here at the top of the page might make a good response to this thread. It's somewhat a defense against how people say that when people protest the government they "hate America" or the like. It can go for both liberals or conservatives, really. It's just in this case it's the liberal side that protests the government more often, since we have a conservative regime at the time. However,both extremist liberalism and conservatism are silly, in my opinion. :)

At 7/6/07 08:46 PM, mooselad wrote: Im sort of a liberal but what i dont understand is why conservitives think liberals hate America, They say we hate it because we want to end the war, in fact we want to see as many soldiers come back alive as posible and not die in a pointless political war, but you know we arent the ignorant ones.

The door swings both ways on that.

At 7/6/07 08:46 PM, mooselad wrote: They say we hate it because we want to end the war, in fact we want to see as many soldiers come back alive as posible and not die in a pointless political war

I just want to comment on this, on a feeling I have had for a lot of people who echo these same sentiments.

I have heard people say this, whether from the anti-war types like Cindy Sheehan or Michael Moore or whatnot, to the average joe on the street, to the protesting type, I have heard this in a number of contexts. The feeling I get nearly everytime I hear it is "Bullshit." Now give me a second here.

The reason is that I believe it is more about the war and about disliking Republicans and Bush than saving the soldiers from a possible death. I have largely gotten the impression the hardcore liberals dont really give a crap about the soldiers, they may feel sorry for them, but they dont really care about them. It has always sounded like a cheap talking point to shield the people against the war of the charge of being called traitors and not being termed patriots.

I know I really cant support it but it is just the feeling I get. I have no definate proof or anything to verify it but just my hunch. But as they say, 90% of social intercourse is non-verbal so there are tons of things that are said every second that are not vocalized. After all, you dont have to talk to convey a feeling.

My only real "proof" that I have is the politics that surround the issue. If hardcore liberals truly cared about the soldiers, why is their main concern with ending the war? Why the numerous allusions to Bush and Republicans as enemies? And why is the only time soldiers are brought in the picture when they want to defend themselves from accusations of treason or pre-empt accusations of unpatriotism? The order of what is said and the magnitude of what is said truly reveal the true intentions, in my humble opinion.

Yes, a generalization. My bad.

At 7/6/07 08:46 PM, mooselad wrote: Im sort of a liberal but what i dont understand is why conservitives think liberals hate America, They say we hate it because we want to end the war, in fact we want to see as many soldiers come back alive as posible and not die in a pointless political war, but you know we arent the ignorant ones.

Because there are two (over generalizing) types of liberals:
1. Stupid as shit
2) Do everything we can do to screw America

Look at the average Liberal try to get our troops killed, try to undermine our Constitution etc...

At 7/7/07 04:56 AM, WolvenBear wrote: Look at the average Liberal try to undermine our Constitution etc...

I dunno about this one. You're going to have to back that up with facts, because I've never encountered any incidences of Dems trying to undermine the constitution.

Because it's simplistic and, therefore, all that your average Conservative can grasp. Besides, it makes them feel better than they obviously love America and we don't...

Conservatives bash liberals because Liberals bash Conservatives. Oh, and btw, real original, having a thread on the internet bashing Conservatives.

Because they can't blame blacks for their problems anymore.

At 7/7/07 12:22 PM, Kev-o wrote: Because they can't blame blacks for their problems anymore.

Who says I can't?

I love the originality of this topic. You start a topic by asking why conservatives bash liberals, and then... proceed to bash conservatives for bashign liberals.

I love it.

At 7/7/07 01:17 PM, Grammer wrote: I'm just sick of "liberal" being thrown around as an insult. It's not an insult, and neither is conservative.

You damn liberal.

At 7/7/07 01:35 PM, SuperDeagle wrote:

At 7/7/07 01:17 PM, Grammer wrote: I'm just sick of "liberal" being thrown around as an insult. It's not an insult, and neither is conservative.

You damn liberal.

Now now, we all know that Bigfoot is the last true Liberal in the USofA.

At 7/7/07 01:45 PM, D2Kvirus wrote: Now now, we all know that Bigfoot is the last true Liberal in the USofA.

Aw yes, The Tallman, as some indian tribes put it.

At 7/7/07 01:17 PM, Grammer wrote: I'm just sick of "liberal" being thrown around as an insult. It's not an insult, and neither is conservative.

I agree. Political persuasion is not grounds for an insult, and only serves to dichotomize us further than we already are.

At 7/7/07 03:48 PM, Bolo wrote: I agree. Political persuasion is not grounds for an insult, and only serves to dichotomize us further than we already are.

But it's so much fun! What's the point in political satire if you can't paint the opposing side as being full of drooling idiots, rednecks, and panty waist surrender monkeys?!

At 7/7/07 04:28 PM, Proteas wrote:
But it's so much fun! What's the point in political satire if you can't paint the opposing side as being full of drooling idiots, rednecks, and panty waist surrender monkeys?!

Man has a point. But poking fun is one thing. Sreiously thinking that the other side hates america is....just......very stupid. I assume Memorize and WolvenBear love this country as much as I do. I just think they aren't caring for it in the right way, and I'm sure they think the same about me.

Conservative = Republican
Liberal = Democrat

Both parties are going to bash eachother because they aren't intelligent enough to reason. Anytime I hear somebody label somebody a liberal I pretty much know to stop listening to them. Calling somebody a liberal is just another way to say 'You're a hippy and I'm not going to listen to you.' The same goes for labeling redneck conservatives as such... it's just an easy way to avoid intelligent debate.

This kind of attitude goes all the way up to Congress and the White House so it's pointless trying to stop liberals from bashing conservatives or the other way around.

At 7/7/07 04:56 AM, WolvenBear wrote:

At 7/6/07 08:46 PM, mooselad wrote: Im sort of a liberal but what i dont understand is why conservitives think liberals hate America, They say we hate it because we want to end the war, in fact we want to see as many soldiers come back alive as posible and not die in a pointless political war, but you know we arent the ignorant ones.

Because there are two (over generalizing) types of liberals:
1. Stupid as shit
2) Do everything we can do to screw America

Look at the average Liberal try to get our troops killed, try to undermine our Constitution etc...

This is a good example of someone who isn't intelligent enough to reason the political situations of others.

Liberals are 'out to get our troops killed and undermine the constitution' ???

The republican party and bush administration has been uncovered time and again UNDERFUNDING the soldiers, and DELIBERATELY dismantling the constitution.

If it were actually 'liberals' doing these things I would be just as ready to admit it.... but it's not.... it's the Bush Administration doing both of the things you mentioned.

Because you're a fogheaded person you want to blame everything on 'liberals' instead of admitting that your administration sucks balls.

At 7/7/07 03:48 PM, Bolo wrote:

At 7/7/07 01:17 PM, Grammer wrote: I'm just sick of "liberal" being thrown around as an insult. It's not an insult, and neither is conservative.

I agree. Political persuasion is not grounds for an insult, and only serves to dichotomize us further than we already are.

Sure, if you're a COMMUNIST.

At 7/7/07 05:31 AM, Bolo wrote: I dunno about this one. You're going to have to back that up with facts, because I've never encountered any incidences of Dems trying to undermine the constitution.

Gun Control.

At 7/6/07 08:46 PM, mooselad wrote: Im sort of a liberal but what i dont understand is why conservitives think liberals hate America, They say we hate it because we want to end the war, in fact we want to see as many soldiers come back alive as posible and not die in a pointless political war, but you know we arent the ignorant ones.

No one, not even somone who was a retard would think that They're ignorant and your the wise one unless comming upon a relavation.

I found a really good explanation of why conservatives think this.... but i cant find it anymore

At 7/7/07 10:15 PM, Grammer wrote: Gun control isn't an infringement on the constitution as long as they're not being all-out banned

Thats a matter of interpretation.

At 7/7/07 05:31 AM, Bolo wrote: You're going to have to back that up with facts, because I've never encountered any incidences of Dems trying to undermine the constitution.

Fariness Doctrine. That immediately stands out, big time.

At 7/7/07 10:15 PM, Grammer wrote: Gun control isn't an infringement on the constitution as long as they're not being all-out banned

Im sorry Grammer, you are in no position to claim that. None.

i'll make a list for you of why a conservative often times feels that liberals support laws and ideals that sometimes Endanger, Insult, or Conflict american fundamentalistic ideals;

1) Conservatives are angered when a liberal will state that flagburning [The US flag in particular] is something that should be legal; but in the same respect they Look down at people when they; for intance; Flush a qu-ran down the toilet.

2) Liberals are generaly more favoriative to the Rights of the defendant in a court case, then the rights of a prosecution [Victim < Acused] So Conservatives call them Pro-criminal.

3) They sometimes support socialistic, and sometimes communistic ideas such as facilitated pluralization and redistribution of wealth. [but on a more moderate level]
Which is somewhat veiwed on as opposition to the American idea of Free trade [otherwise known as capitalism]

4) They are against Racial profiling; something which some argue allows the most obvious of possible terrorists to get away with doing harmfull things to americans. [EI: attacks]

It's stuff like that.

At 7/7/07 10:37 PM, Me-Patch wrote: Thats a matter of interpretation.

How I interpret is that the amendment only applies to the militia not the citizens. And it reads exactly as so.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

At 7/7/07 10:51 PM, TheBlueNeck wrote:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

My interpretation: A regulated militia is necessary to secure a free state. The right of the people to keep and bear arms.

It's like 2 in one.