Should Religon be outlawed?

[Rosenthorp-I]

Ok here it is Should Religon be outlawed??? i can give many reasons why it should...i have no life i read almost every holy book i can find... so SHOULD IT BE OUTLAWED?? it would stop a lot of fighting...

[Alejandro1]

At 6/12/03 12:49 AM, whyme04 wrote: Ok here it is Should Religon be outlawed??? i can give many reasons why it should...i have no life i read almost every holy book i can find... so SHOULD IT BE OUTLAWED?? it would stop a lot of fighting...

On the contrary, outlawing religion would only increase the fighting. Although you may not be one of them, many devoted followers of their religions would be incredibly pissed if they were not allowed to practice their religion in places of worship; you can guarantee that these people would protest against their own governments if that happened.

[AngryArab]

its impossible, i dont know about you but i need something to belive in. and theres alot things in my life i dont belive without a "higher" power.

[AntiClock]

i think its a pretty stupid question but ill answer it anyway:
no. people obviously have the right to believe in whatever they want. just as religion causes alot of conflict and problems, it also solves them. it goes both ways. people will never stop believing because it gives them a sense of hope and purpose towards a "perfect afterlife", and given the fact that some governments and cultures are based almost entirely on religion, it will not fade out anytime soon.

[TheShrike]

First of all, I'd like to say: Duffman! Awesome sig!

Secondly, I think it was alejandro who said it best: if you outlaw religion, a lot of the faithful (insert random religion here) will be super pissed. It'd just cause more fighting.

And I can't remember which one of you suggested genocide, but I think resorting to genocide to solve any problem is a bit stupid.

[JMHX]

Religion will never be outlawed because there are still so many who base their entire existances on it, and will continue to be for the remainder of our run as the dominant species on the planet. Face it - religion has both civilized and will eventually destroy the mass of the human race.

[AngryArab]

At 6/12/03 01:20 AM, TheShrike wrote: First of all, I'd like to say: Duffman! Awesome sig!

thanks

Secondly, I think it was alejandro who said it best: if you outlaw religion, a lot of the faithful (insert random religion here) will be super pissed. It'd just cause more fighting.

and its just not realistic, some 3rd world countrys only have religon, nothing else.

And I can't remember which one of you suggested genocide, but I think resorting to genocide to solve any problem is a bit stupid.

bah, genocide=hitler, i really dont think we need a dictor or some random peron that gets put in control and decides to wipe out masses of people.

[TheShrike]

Well, there is no doubt that if you removed all traces of religion, people would probably live just fine without it. But they'd also still fight. Humans are still animals. Territorial and greedy.

Wouldn't it really suck for you if you removed all traces of religion just in time for God to send the next messiah?

I mean, imagine all that work going down the drain!

[AngryArab]

At 6/12/03 01:36 AM, TheShrike wrote: Well, there is no doubt that if you removed all traces of religion, people would probably live just fine without it. But they'd also still fight. Humans are still animals. Territorial and greedy.

Wouldn't it really suck for you if you removed all traces of religion just in time for God to send the next messiah?

I mean, imagine all that work going down the drain!

i think it would be impossible, epecassly with the serious Jewish people, and rabbis,and priests...nuns, any ordaned religious person wouldnt give it up

[JMHX]

That's where the cleansing process comes in...

[mysecondstar]

religion is the perfect example of the proverbial double edged sword. religion promotes living, tolerence and love. and the other hand it causes fanaticism. there is a clear line between the devout and the fanatics. the line that crosses one to the other is razor thin.

[misterx2000]

At 6/12/03 02:31 AM, mysecondstar wrote: religion is the perfect example of the proverbial double edged sword. religion promotes living, tolerence and love. and the other hand it causes fanaticism. there is a clear line between the devout and the fanatics. the line that crosses one to the other is razor thin.

Sometimes people can't or won't see that line...

Outlawing religion is hypocritical and frankly stupid. Some have had religion forced upon them. But what of the opposite...people now have religion forced FROM them.

It's the same as outlawing human rights. If you want free choice, you gotta go all the way.

[antiqkk]

Back in the Soviet Union religion was basically considered wrong by the law. Churches were knocked down and turned into some boy scout leisure centres. People were not allowed to marry in the church, nor baptise their babies. Priests were widely repressed and sent off to Gulag and other lovely places like Siberia.
And what was the result of it I ask you dear Mr.OutlawTheRegilion? Complete waste of time. You cannot keep faith in people, as that is what keeps many people going. I am not religious or anything, if you think I'm trying to persuade you now. But you can't make religion illegal. People will protest and people will continue to practice it behind the government's back.

[Shih]

People can't live effectively without faith and faith needs a form of expression, often that form is in organized religion. Outlawing religion is like outlawing thinking, or sex write all the laws and bills in the world it won't go away though. And besides how do you define what is a religion, frankly I consider atheism a religion to deny the existence of anything supernatural is just as much an act of faith as accepting it is.

[Rosenthorp-I]

So If you did knock out religon in due time it would stop all the damn fighting even the pissed off followers... would sooner or later die down and stop... But If you think about it thats just one war....Religon has caused MANY wars...and genocide is never the answer, but i do say we could jail people for rebeling and stuff like that...

[Shih]

Religion is hardly the only thing to start a war, economics, politics, nationalism, hunting rights all of these have led to war as well how about we outlaw them too.

[Rosenthorp-I]

At 6/12/03 09:48 AM, Shih wrote: Religion is hardly the only thing to start a war, economics, politics, nationalism, hunting rights all of these have led to war as well how about we outlaw them too.

Personaly Politics suck anyways so it dont matter on that one, nationalism cant be outlawed because its pride in ones country and person can feel that way about there country, hunting right...WHAT WAR WAS STARTED WIHT HUNTIGN RIGHTS??? im just wondering... but ya most of the most bloodiest wars were and are because god told them to.

[FUNKbrs]

Why dont we just illegalize war? If anyone tries to start a war, we kill them and their whole family, so the idea of war dies out. That way there will never be war again! (note sarcasm)

are you retarded? you cant illegalize a religion, because religion is a major part of culture, and culture is a major part of being human. c'mon people, logic already. To strip religion from people will only make them free of religious ideals, which contrary to popular belief mainly consist of charity, compassion, family values.

[wdfcverfgtghm]

If there's one thing about religious fundamentalist zealots that I've learned, it's that they immediatly stop fighting when you tell them they can't believe in their religion anymore.

[antiqkk]

At 6/12/03 10:34 AM, mwazzap wrote: Basically what Im getting from u guys is that ppl are so pathetic that they need religion to dictate their lives. Ive heard this before, and I guess it makes sence... however, I am happy to say I dont need religion to operate.

Sure, I had a mental break down after my bar mitzvah, but that didn't last :p.

You may not need religion to survive at this moment, or most of the time in your life, as an individual. However, people in general as a whole are dependant on some religious concepts.

[misterx2000]

At 6/12/03 12:22 PM, antiqkk wrote: You may not need religion to survive at this moment, or most of the time in your life, as an individual. However, people in general as a whole are dependant on some religious concepts.

Some are so subtle that we may not realise it.

[Alejandro1]

At 6/12/03 09:54 AM, whyme04 wrote: most of the most bloodiest wars were and are because god told them to.

I wouldn't say that's true. Both world wars were started because of POWER.

Pre-WWI, the countries were competing for strength economically and militarily. Imperialism, nationalism, militarism, and the alliances all added to the tension between the powerful European countries; the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand was the spark that lit the fire of WWI.

During WWII and pre-WWII, Hitler was trying to regain power that Germany lost when it was embarrased in front of the world by France and Britain during the Versailles meeting.

[Commander-K25]

At 6/12/03 09:54 AM, whyme04 wrote: most of the most bloodiest wars were and are because god told them to.

Only a few major wars have been holy wars. Remember that most wars are an extension of political and economic conflicts, not religion.

[Commander-K25]

At 6/12/03 01:28 AM, mwazzap wrote: YOu would get polytheism, or perhaps animism, but nothing significantly detrimental to society such as 3 very conflicting monotheisms.

So this really has nothing to do with religion in general, just your dislike of monotheism. Very rational, I see. Monotheistic values have held society together for many centuries. What held the fragmented shards of the Roman Empire together allowing Europe to hold strong against foreign invasion? Religion. What has enabled the Jews to endure so much persecution? Religion. What created a unified Arab world from warring nomad tribes? Religion.

[weaponrxn]

My opinion is: religion will die out by itself. Religion is important and whether you like it or not, it affects everyone. early civilzations were based on some sort of religion as a moral government body. Since technology and science (enemies with religion for a big reason) is advancing, religion is dying out. Religion does have an important role in everyone's live. every single law/rule created dealed with religous beliefs in the early civilzations such as killing, stealing, etc. Our modern laws revolved around "religion" the early civilzation term for government; if you think about it. Also, what is religion? Religion is a set of rituals and regulations that people follow. Going to work can be considered as a religion, even going to school. Hey school is one "religion" most people wouldn't mind giving up. Besides, who wants to wake up early in the morning on a Sunday to go to some "boring" place?.....

[Shih]

At 6/12/03 09:54 AM, whyme04 wrote:
Personaly Politics suck anyways so it dont matter on that one, nationalism cant be outlawed because its pride in ones country and person can feel that way about there country, hunting right...WHAT WAR WAS STARTED WIHT HUNTIGN RIGHTS??? im just wondering... but ya most of the most bloodiest wars were and are because god told them to.

Ahh I see because you personally don't like it's irrelevant that makes sense. As for hunting rights look at virtually any war prior to the modern age almost all of them were about territory be it used for hunting or farming, before industriaization and the fuedal are most wars were about food plain and simple, religion and everything else only came into after the war began. The other big one is money ie: "We want that land because there's someting valuable on it. "Well we want that land for the same reason, so we're going to kill you for it." "Well not if we kill you first." Or to quote... someone or other I can't recall right now, "Money is the spark that starts a war, but rage is the fuel that keeps it burning."

[cannibal7878]

I don't think that religion should be outlawed, I believe that there should be one mass religion. Thereby making everyone's life easier.

[mrpopenfresh]

Outlawing religion is just unthinkable. Outlawing cults on the ither hand, a goal quite a bit easier to reach. But still, outlawing every cuckoo cult would be unthinkable. There's just too many oddballs out there with even odder followers. So what I think would be acceptable is some kind of act that allows the goverment to intervene when a cult just goes wacko or makes absolutely no sense. Of course this wouldn't work. The loopholes would be incredible.

[Alejandro1]

At 6/12/03 08:57 PM, weaponrxn wrote: My opinion is: religion will die out by itself.

I wouldn't say that religion will die out, it will just change. Religion has always changed; back in 4000-3000 BC, people believed in strictly polytheisms. 5000 years later, almost all polytheisms were gone and monotheisms were popular.

Think about the future; in a thousand years, monotheism will probably be gone and a new religion will be popular, one in which we'd never be able to imagine.

[nitroxide]

At 6/12/03 01:20 AM, TheShrike wrote:

And I can't remember which one of you suggested genocide, but I think resorting to genocide to solve any problem is a bit stupid.

Hey shrike can you do me a favor and define what you believe is genocide,and do you agree the native american "removal" was genocide?