Mom freezes eggs 4 daughter to use

[HighlyIllogical]

Quoth the BBC: "A Canadian mother has frozen her eggs for use by her seven-year-old daughter, who is likely to become infertile."

Ethical problems? I think not. Legal? Doubtful. I mean, a source quoted by the BBC states "Josephine Quintavalle, of Comment on Reproductive Ethics, expressed sympathy with the family, but could not support storing the mother's eggs.

She said: "The psychological welfare of the baby itself has to be the principal concern.

"Such a baby would be a sibling of the birth mother at the same time as the direct genetic offspring of the grandmother donor.

"In psychiatry we are hearing more and more of children suffering from identity problems, and specifically a condition called 'genealogical bewilderment'. Could it possibly get more bewildering than this?"

I think that's pretty silly...

[K-RadPie]

Sterile people should just adopt.

[ForkRobotik]

This is a non-issue.

[TheBasics]

That doesn't sound like a moral thing to do, the child won't really be her daughter's child but her own except from a different man's semen. I mean I understand that the daughter will most likely want to have children, but I think Adopting is a better solution than this.

[ForkRobotik]

At 7/3/07 11:46 PM, TheBasics wrote: That doesn't sound like a moral thing to do, the child won't really be her daughter's child but her own except from a different man's semen. I mean I understand that the daughter will most likely want to have children, but I think Adopting is a better solution than this.

Umm, the mother is saving the eggs for when the daughter grows up. When she's an adult, you don't think it should be her right to choose to adopt or use the eggs or not have children at all?

[TheBasics]

At 7/3/07 11:55 PM, ForkRobotik wrote:

At 7/3/07 11:46 PM, TheBasics wrote: That doesn't sound like a moral thing to do, the child won't really be her daughter's child but her own except from a different man's semen. I mean I understand that the daughter will most likely want to have children, but I think Adopting is a better solution than this.

Umm, the mother is saving the eggs for when the daughter grows up. When she's an adult, you don't think it should be her right to choose to adopt or use the eggs or not have children at all?

Buddy did you read my post, Yes I said she should adopt. I am not saying just because she's infertile she shouldn't have kids, just not in that manner.

[ForkRobotik]

At 7/4/07 12:00 AM, TheBasics wrote: Buddy did you read my post, Yes I said she should adopt. I am not saying just because she's infertile she shouldn't have kids, just not in that manner.

No, we're not on the same page, my question was, "shouldn't she have the right to choose what she's going to do when she grows up?"

[JakeHero]

There's a reason people are born infertile. Why can't humanity allow evolution to take course?

[Ravariel]

At 7/4/07 12:40 AM, JakeHero wrote: There's a reason people are born infertile. Why can't humanity allow evolution to take course?

Obviously not. Otherwise we wouldn't have seatbelt laws.

[fahrenheit]

At 7/4/07 12:45 AM, Ravariel wrote: Otherwise we wouldn't have seatbelt laws.

Oh so bad driving is evolutions solution to over population?

Great deductioning skills sherlock!

[JakeHero]

At 7/4/07 12:45 AM, Ravariel wrote: Obviously not. Otherwise we wouldn't have seatbelt laws.

Hey, at least with seatbelts in place people with beneficial DNA can pass it. :/

[SolInvictus]

wouldn't any psychological problems only be possible if the child learns they are technically their mother's sister?

[SolInvictus]

At 7/4/07 12:40 AM, JakeHero wrote: There's a reason people are born infertile. Why can't humanity allow evolution to take course?

this hardly has anything to do with evolution and at the very least it will be the mother (the one freezing the eggs) who passes on her genes not the daughter (though due to the fact that they are related, the daughters genes will be passed as well).

[Korriken]

At 7/4/07 01:24 AM, fahrenheit wrote:

At 7/4/07 12:45 AM, Ravariel wrote: Otherwise we wouldn't have seatbelt laws.

Oh so bad driving is evolutions solution to over population?

Great deductioning skills sherlock!

between not using seatbelts, hard drugs, gang violence, tobacco use, and not wearing a helmet while driving a motorcycle/ 4 wheeler like a maniac. I think the process of evolution is slowly working. all but 1 of these things are illegal, and they're working on making tobacco illegal, slowly but surely.

[ForkRobotik]

At 7/4/07 01:50 AM, SolInvictus wrote:

At 7/4/07 12:40 AM, JakeHero wrote: There's a reason people are born infertile. Why can't humanity allow evolution to take course?

this hardly has anything to do with evolution and at the very least it will be the mother (the one freezing the eggs) who passes on her genes not the daughter (though due to the fact that they are related, the daughters genes will be passed as well).

This is not a genetic condition that can be passed on down the line. It's Turner's Syndrome. It affects 1 out of ever 2500 women born. Turner's Syndrome takes place during development of the fetus blahblah blha. Please look it up yourself before going on about something you know nothing about.

Also, with proper education, using her mothers eggs would not fuck up the child. Get a brain, children don't fuck themselves up, they get fucked up by their external environment. Example: If you were to raise your child and tell him every day that sex was fucking evil, and then spy on him and the first time he masterbates, beat him to a pulp, chances are he's going to become sexually repressed and do some very fucked up shit when he grows up.

[SolInvictus]

At 7/4/07 02:00 AM, ForkRobotik wrote: This is not a genetic condition that can be passed on down the line.

this supports my statement that it has nothing to do with evolution, why are you responding to my post?

Also, with proper education, using her mothers eggs would not fuck up the child.

i never said that (i said the opposite). or was that a general comment?

[stafffighter]

How the fuck is this topic still up? Family members donate eggs to each other all the time. it's a coomon occurance. It;s like getting doner stuff but with more a feeling of actual genetic connection. There will be no damage to the child because , and I know I'm being sentemental here, the one who carries it for 9 months intending to raise it is it's mother. There will be no connection to the grandmother other than the conventional because nothing of the human making process will have happened to her.
She donated eggs, this makes her as much a parent as sperm doner dads, which is an upsetting ideal but hardly newsworthy.

[Ravariel]

I actually think it's awfully sweet and forward-thinking of her mother to do this. Perhaps unnecessary, considering the possible medical advances in the next 15-20 years, but sweet nonetheless.

[SolInvictus]

At 7/4/07 02:23 AM, stafffighter wrote: How the fuck is this topic still up? Family members donate eggs to each other all the time.

but it's so icky!

[Drakim]

At 7/4/07 12:40 AM, JakeHero wrote: There's a reason people are born infertile. Why can't humanity allow evolution to take course?

Actually, since it is the mothers egg, the daughters DNA won't be passed on.

Evolution foiled! lol

[TheBasics]

At 7/4/07 12:28 AM, ForkRobotik wrote:

At 7/4/07 12:00 AM, TheBasics wrote: Buddy did you read my post, Yes I said she should adopt. I am not saying just because she's infertile she shouldn't have kids, just not in that manner.

No, we're not on the same page, my question was, "shouldn't she have the right to choose what she's going to do when she grows up?"

Well, the simple anwser would be yes, she should have the right to choose what she does.
Unless it conflicts with morality, and by that I mean possible future problems with her mother. I don't consider this sick or anything but this may create a conflict with the mother and the daughter. Since its the mothers egg, technically she is the mother, well obviously she didn't go through 9 months of pregnancy or giving birth. But she may believe she has certain custody rights over the child in the future. See what I mean? You might say "well thats unlikely" but shit happens life changes and relationships change. So unless theres a contract saying the child belongs to her daughter and her daughters husband/boyfriend she shouldn't go through with it. But if there is a legal agreement then by all means she should go through with it if she wishes.

[animehater]

Raising ones own sister in a way.

[TheBasics]

At 7/5/07 02:50 PM, animehater wrote: Raising ones own sister in a way.

Yeah thats another way to look at the situation, I mean whats it like to give birth to your own sister. But she is not your sister because you gave birht to her, so their going to have to make a new name for this type of relationship of blood?

[Steel-Reserve]

This reminds me of the guy whos' wife was infertile, so he had his wife use his sperm to impregnate his daughter with a turkey baster.

Bizarre, that's all I can say.

[aviewaskewed]

At 7/5/07 03:27 PM, Steel-Reserve wrote: This reminds me of the guy whos' wife was infertile, so he had his wife use his sperm to impregnate his daughter with a turkey baster.

Bizarre, that's all I can say.

Well...that one shouldn't happen because if it's the guy's daughter, then it'd be like if the guy fucked his daughter himself, you could have a baby with all sorts of problems...

[Steel-Reserve]

At 7/6/07 03:48 AM, aviewaskewed wrote:

At 7/5/07 03:27 PM, Steel-Reserve wrote: This reminds me of the guy whos' wife was infertile, so he had his wife use his sperm to impregnate his daughter with a turkey baster.

Bizarre, that's all I can say.

Well...that one shouldn't happen because if it's the guy's daughter, then it'd be like if the guy fucked his daughter himself, you could have a baby with all sorts of problems...

I can't find a link to the article on that right now, and it's driving me crackers. Google wasn't always this convaluted.

[SolInvictus]

At 7/6/07 03:48 AM, aviewaskewed wrote:

At 7/5/07 03:27 PM, Steel-Reserve wrote: This reminds me of the guy whos' wife was infertile, so he had his wife use his sperm to impregnate his daughter with a turkey baster.

Bizarre, that's all I can say.

Well...that one shouldn't happen because if it's the guy's daughter, then it'd be like if the guy fucked his daughter himself, you could have a baby with all sorts of problems...

and it would have to be a daughter from another relationship or else i'd have to question the wife's infertility.

[AapoJoki]

At 7/4/07 12:40 AM, JakeHero wrote: There's a reason people are born infertile. Why can't humanity allow evolution to take course?

This girl will never have biological kids of her own, so it's not like she's passing on her individual gene pool. She's basically just helping her mother reproduce further, which the mother was able to do in the first place. I see no "ethical evolution" dilemma.

[Memorize]

At 7/6/07 05:59 PM, AapoJoki wrote: I see no "ethical evolution" dilemma.

You never do when you guys start playing with words.

[MERC93]

I have to agree with some of the posts before about adoption. If she wants a kid that looks like its hers then go to a science labratory and see what the kid would look like if they could have one then just find a kid who looks like the predicted kid. If you use the mother's egg what about ressecive genes. Orphans are a big problem anyways so if people who are sterile adopt then the problem of overcrowding in orphanariums will decrease.