I'll need to see some I.D., please.

[Proteas]

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Even 90 Year Olds Will Be Carded Under Law
Law Does Not Apply To Sales At Restaurants, Bars

POSTED: 12:48 pm CDT June 23, 2007
UPDATED: 12:27 pm CDT June 24, 2007

KINGSPORT, Tenn. -- Tennessee is set to become the first state in the nation to require carding of anyone, without exception, who buys beer for off-premises consumption.

The Tennessee Responsible Vendor Act, designed to curb underage drinking, takes effect July 1. It will expire after one year to give lawmakers and vendors a chance to review its effectiveness. The legislation does not apply to the sale of wine and liquor purchases or to beer sales at restaurants and bars.

Jarron Springer, president of the Tennessee Grocers and Convenience Store Association, has embraced the new law, saying it will make Tennessee a national leader on the issue of underage drinking. Although older customers who are obviously of legal age to buy beer could be put out by the requirement, Springer hopes they will cooperate with clerks.

Many stores have already begun carding everyone who buys beer.

John Kelly, chief operating officer for Roadrunner Markets, implemented the policy last year. Carding everyone makes it less likely that a clerk mistakenly sell beer to someone who is underage, he said, and regular customers quickly got used to having to show an ID. Most now arrive at the counter with their identification in hand.

"The universal carding law means that all retailers are on the samepage," said Kelly. "There will be consistent training of clerks. Customers can expect to have their ID checked at any store in Tennessee that sells beer."

Along with mandatory carding, the new law also establishes a voluntary Responsible Vendor Program in which retailers who have their clerks undergo a training course will face lesser penalties for underage sales than nonparticipating vendors.

Responsible Vendors face fines of up to $1,000 for each underage sale. They lose Responsible Vendor status if they commit two violations in a 12-month period. If there is a further violation, the vendor could have its license suspended or revoked or be fined up to $2,500. Non-certified vendors can face those penalties on a first offense.

http://www.wsmv.com/news/13557974/detail.html

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Being that I've had the same face since I was 5 years old, I'm pretty used to being carded every time I go to get beer or liquor, so this law won't put much of a damper on any plans I have. Personally, I think it is a good idea, but I bet this topic will still get it's fair share of 15 and 16 year olds with glandular problems who will be shitting themselves over this...

[The-JefFlet]

thats the dumbest thing ever.
i think 40 is too old to card.
you can definitely tell if someone is over 30 or under 21.
i say card up to 30.

the main problem is adults buyings alchohol for minors. but carding adults wont help that.

[Noddys-Revenge]

The main problem is having a minimum age limit for drinking.

[Keakealani]

At 6/30/07 07:43 PM, Noddys-Revenge wrote: The main problem is having a minimum age limit for drinking.

I was just going to say this. I really don't think that making a bazillion regulations about alcohol is the way to make it a less prevalent problem - there needs to be a total reworking of the system, and age is not the best way to go about it.

Personally, I wish that alcohol could only be sold to people who are intelligent enough not to drink and drive or use it for something stupid, but unfortunately that's not only totally un-enforceable but would probably piss a lot of people off.

I'm underage and don't plan on drinking, so I guess this doesn't matter to me, but it doesn't seem effective. It's usually pretty hard to look like you're 9 years older than you are so 30 seems fine. If they want to raise the age to 35 or 40, fine. But it seems really stupid to make people show ID when they obviously don't need to. Kids will find ways to get to alcohol if they're clever enough.

[AfroJustice]

evberyone should be carded, its only fair

[stafffighter]

At 6/30/07 07:43 PM, Noddys-Revenge wrote: The main problem is having a minimum age limit for drinking.

It's dangerous if not used appropraitly and thus there have to be restrictions on purchashing it. I;m going to assume you knew that and are hyst angry you're not old enough and you've decided to make it the worlds problem

[Noddys-Revenge]

Damn right!

Nah not really. I'm only a year off legal age and i rarely get ID'd anymore as i look older.

I just think drinkings got bad press. It's fun, not overtly dangerous unless used exceccisly and kids will always drink not matter what the age is or will be.

Also i'd much rather see a 14 year old indoors whilst drinking then out in the street. It's just safer.

[The-JefFlet]

well i can kind of agree that minimum age is wrong.
i mean lots of european countries have a minimum age of 15 or none at all.
and they have less young people dying because of alchohol than US.

[IllustriousPotentate]

That's a good idea, I think.

Having worked at a cash register before, I know how people are. This will make it easier for cashiers. Anybody who buys alcohol, you ID them. No guessing if they're 27 and need to be carded or whatever.

It'll also do away with the line:

"What? I don't look young enough to you to be carded?"

Which, along with "Does this make me look fat?", is one of the few questions for which there are no correct answers.

[ForkRobotik]

At 6/30/07 10:56 PM, The-JefFlet wrote: well i can kind of agree that minimum age is wrong.
i mean lots of european countries have a minimum age of 15 or none at all.
and they have less young people dying because of alchohol than US.

It's insane how your country treats it's youth. No wonder america is such a shithole.

[Malachy]

At 7/1/07 12:05 AM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: That's a good idea, I think.
It'll also do away with the line:

I agree with you on this. Taking the awkward decision made by some poor cashier a mandatory for all also puts less stress on a cashier. Look, some kids look much older than they are, and sometimes many of age folks look much younger than they are - So, why not just ID everyone buying alcohol. It takes the same amount of time to take your ID out that it does to take a credit card (with most wallets.) or cash. really, it shouldn't be an issue and I dont understand why more establishments don't just voluntarily do it for liability sake

The local Price chopper grocery stores in my area have begun a procedure where a manager must accept all alcoholic sales. this takes more time, but also puts an extra layer of security over fake IDs as well. I mean, many summer time cashiers are just kids still in school, sometimes they have a hardter time judging ages and fake IDs. I mean, even an 19 year old looks intimidating to a 17 year old on their first job. and god forbid the poor kids asks a woman to show ID and doesn't the next one....

[IllustriousPotentate]

At 7/1/07 12:15 AM, ForkRobotik wrote: It's insane how your country treats it's youth. No wonder america is such a shithole.

Says the person in the America-wannabe country.

[ForkRobotik]

At 7/1/07 12:16 AM, IllustriousPotentate wrote:

At 7/1/07 12:15 AM, ForkRobotik wrote: It's insane how your country treats it's youth. No wonder america is such a shithole.

Says the person in the America-wannabe country.

oh boy here comes the american nationalists. Oh yes, it's true i'm so jealous of your country, because that makes any fucking sense whatsoever.

[SyntheticTacos]

At 7/1/07 12:31 AM, ForkRobotik wrote:

At 7/1/07 12:16 AM, IllustriousPotentate wrote:

At 7/1/07 12:15 AM, ForkRobotik wrote: It's insane how your country treats it's youth. No wonder america is such a shithole.

Says the person in the America-wannabe country.

oh boy here comes the american nationalists. Oh yes, it's true i'm so jealous of your country, because that makes any fucking sense whatsoever.

To be fair, you started it, Fork. On the world scale, Canada and the U.S.A. are both good countries compared to most non-First World countries. As many gripes as I have with the U.S. government I would not call it a "shithole". There are good places and bad in the U.S.

[IllustriousPotentate]

At 7/1/07 12:31 AM, ForkRobotik wrote:

At 7/1/07 12:16 AM, IllustriousPotentate wrote:

At 7/1/07 12:15 AM, ForkRobotik wrote: It's insane how your country treats it's youth. No wonder america is such a shithole.

Says the person in the America-wannabe country.

oh boy here comes the american nationalists. Oh yes, it's true i'm so jealous of your country, because that makes any fucking sense whatsoever.

I didn't say you were jealous. But Canada is sufficiently similar to the United States such that, if the U.S. is in a "shithole", then Canada is up to their waist in it, too.

[ForkRobotik]

At 7/1/07 01:01 AM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: I didn't say you were jealous. But Canada is sufficiently similar to the United States such that, if the U.S. is in a "shithole", then Canada is up to their waist in it, too.

Canada is a shithole and our government would be as evil as the american one if it had as much power.

[JoS]

How many 90 year olds go out and buy beer?

[morefngdbs]

At 7/1/07 03:09 AM, JoS wrote: How many 90 year olds go out and buy beer?

That's a good question Jos.
If my Dad is anything to go by, (He's 60) He sends me off to get him a jug.
I imagine an older guy would do the same.

What no one here has mentioned is that although manditory I.D. (at least in Nova Scotia) for Tobacco & Liquor sales is required here.
But I live in a small village next to a postage stamp sized town.With only 1 liquor outlet (you cannot buy any drink that contains alcohol in convience stores or gorcery stores) & store employees get to know the customers, so I've seen people who look to be possibly under 19 buy booze without being carded, They are known to be 19+ because they have been checked over & over.
So maybe familiarity in a town down there will have the same result.
You go to the same place all the time, everyone gets to know you, they no longer bother.

[Demosthenez]

you can definitely tell if someone is over 30 or under 21.

Greg Oden,

Nothing else needs saying. If you dont know who he is, do a google search. And for the record, I am 2 years older than him, he is 18.

[Tancrisism]

Where I work I have to card even the oldest of women for tobacco. It sucks, because they usually end up fighting with me and then blaming me for it even though I explain to them that we got in trouble for selling to minors twice a couple months ago. But what can you do.

[stafffighter]

Some crackpot is going to use this against me in some passport or regestration topic but is it really that much of a hassle to show the card?

Reason you shouldn't use this against me in a passport or regestration topic (even though you fucking will) This is not a restriction of any vital or needed ability and carding for these goods is already the law in all but the most apparent of cases.

[ForkRobotik]

If this is going to be a new plan, how is it going to be enforced? Are undercover "old" looking cops going to go in an entrap stores that don't ask him for ID?

[stafffighter]

At 7/1/07 05:27 PM, ForkRobotik wrote: If this is going to be a new plan, how is it going to be enforced? Are undercover "old" looking cops going to go in an entrap stores that don't ask him for ID?

Or undercover just cardable looking cops or young looking cops or teenagers the cops recruited for that one purpose, yeah.

[HighlyIllogical]

Carding everyone is a fair and good policy. That's all there is to it.

[Tancrisism]

At 7/1/07 06:49 PM, HighlyIllogical wrote: Carding everyone is a fair and good policy. That's all there is to it.

That depends on whether or not you agree with the law, of course. And besides, isn't there something more important to focus on than passing obvious legislation that will probably be loosely enforced and even more loosely carried out?

[HighlyIllogical]

Punishing institutions that don't carry it out would be quite easy.

Local cops and state police go in to stores in plainclothes. They're typically adults over age 21. If they don't get carded, then the law is not being followed.

A few dozen fines and/or arrests would fix everything up.

[Tancrisism]

At 7/1/07 09:54 PM, HighlyIllogical wrote: Punishing institutions that don't carry it out would be quite easy.

Local cops and state police go in to stores in plainclothes. They're typically adults over age 21. If they don't get carded, then the law is not being followed.

Personally, I'd rather see my hard-sweated tax money go into something more valuable than making sure bullshit laws get carried out.

A few dozen fines and/or arrests would fix everything up.

For a period of time, possibly.

[Imperator]

i think 40 is too old to card.

you can definitely tell if someone is over 30 or under 21.
i say card up to 30.

With new cosmetics, surgery, etc 30 is the new 20 in this day and age. I've personally carded a 45 year old before.

I think noticing age is a lot harder than you think.

[MortifiedPenguins]

Wait.

You people didn't card before this.

[TheBasics]

I doubt such a law would be neccesary I think any person that sells alcohol (legally) can probably tell if a person is 30+ years old. Only when you think they person may look older but yet is younger than 21 should you check for ID. I mean it would be ridiculous to ask 50 year olds for ID, its a waste of time and embarassing and stupid.