censorship

[stafffighter]

Some people like to dictate what words you can and cannot use. They talk about it being right for the children.
There is such a thing as creating things that are not meant for children. Im a writer and I know from expereince that there are times when you need to say very specific things because your communicating a very specific and blunt point. Over use will ruin you, but thats true of anything.
Take a movie like shindlers list, excelent film. It says something very true about a topic that needed to be explored. But would I take an eight year old to see it? No.
My mom once said that george carlin was good enough to not need to do "that" kind of material. I say that the mind set that makes it possible for him to do that material is what makes him good.
You cant be afriad of words. You can't be afraid of whats true.
"You watched my daughter fill her veins with that fudging stuff, thats bull apples!"

[Freakapotimus]

Self-censorship is one thing, forced is another. People *should* be smart enough to figure out for themselves what they want to hear or see. Parents can shield their own kids, but not someone else's.

I was writing a story, in high school I think, and one of my characters was going through a rebellious phase, of course she cursed a lot. My mother found it and was very upset that I would write something with that kind of language. Well, duh, if I didn't you wouldn't get that feeling about the character would you? Then again she won't let my brother play his Tony Hawk games because they're rated "T" and he's only 11. >:(

If people actually took the time to talk to their kids and research the stuff they want to listen to or play with, then we haven't have some people with all kinds of problems dealing with reality.

[D2Kvirus]

Censorship is one of those subjects I can't wite about...at least here, since I'll blitz past the character limit halfway though, and lose what I wrote. Damn anal BBS...

[TheShrike]

Sometimes censorship is needed, but it's not always a required evil.

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Reality TV is censored.

R e a l i t y

Entertainment aside, even the news is censored, you didn't see what happened after the bombs were dropped on Iraq. Well on the mainstream media anyways. Here's something you didn't see on FOX news.
More info/pictures at http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/a...;headline=CRITICAL%20CONDITION

[HouseOfZ]

Censorship is one of the ways people in the media try to help the growing problem of 'The Youth' growing up too fast in terms of what they say. They desperatly try to cut out what they think is unsuitable on films and other programs, yet they still recognise when it HAS been cut, because they've seen the original.

In the UK it takes about 4 years for a film to appear on the 'terrestrial channels,' in other words the 5 channels that everybody can get. In the mean time, it's come out on Sky Box Office, for rent, to buy on DVD and video and all unedited. When it gets edited everybody complains because it's not the proper version. Yet censors still strive to try and edit things in the hope that one or two kids won't go out the next day and say 'fuck you' to their best friends. Which they probably do anyway.

Most censors are people who think they have an impact on society. What they should do is take a walk through a park or something and listen to the language 8 year olds use. Because they do in South Park. When I was 8 I didn't even know these words existed.

Another thing that gets me is that movies come out with ratings so that parents can decide whether their kids can watch them, and whether their suitable. But then they release toys of massive Aliens and stuff like that and expect kids not to get into the films as well.

Anyway, I think I've said enough, but my main point is that censoring films and programs doesn't really do very much at all. All children get tainted.

[poxpower]

With tha arrival of the internet, it has become almost completely pointless to try and censor pornography and bad-mouthing. Of course, some work should be done to try to keep kids away from that at least until they're 15-16.
It's like Sex ed at the age of 10. What the fuck are they thinking those retards? Talking about "no sex till you're older" to a kid for 5 years is SURE to make him NEVER try it *cough* *cough*.

but of course, the big evil here is the governement and companiews who hide information from the general public to lose face. *sigh*.

[Commander-K25]

At 6/10/03 03:57 PM, nailbomb wrote: Entertainment aside, even the news is censored, you didn't see what happened after the bombs were dropped on Iraq. Well on the mainstream media anyways. Here's something you didn't see on FOX news.
More info/pictures at http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/a...;headline=CRITICAL%20CONDITION

You could try to stay on topic rather than turn this into another "I Hate America/Fox News" rant. We all know your opinion, get over it.

[mrpopenfresh]

At 6/10/03 04:26 PM, poxpower wrote: With tha arrival of the internet, it has become almost completely pointless to try and censor pornography and bad-mouthing. Of course, some work should be done to try to keep kids away from that at least until they're 15-16.
It's like Sex ed at the age of 10. What the fuck are they thinking those retards? Talking about "no sex till you're older" to a kid for 5 years is SURE to make him NEVER try it *cough* *cough*.

True, true. Censorship is pretty much impossible to control with the internet. Things like rotten, anarchist cook book(this cool .pdf i got off acquisition that shows you how to phreak and make bombs) and yes, even newgrounds, especially with that adult section phase. A 10 year old nowadays can see what a 25 year old could only hope to see on his wedding night not so lang ago.

but of course, the big evil here is the governement and companiews who hide information from the general public to lose face. *sigh*.

[A-Carrot-By-Dr-Riot]

It really depends on what you all mean by censorship.

Evaluate the following. Ask yourself, Is this censorship?

When asked his opinion from a female co-worker on her new hairstyle, the man wants to say that it's ugly, but in order to be a nice guy and keep peace in the office says it looks 'good'

A manager of a McDonalds fires an employee after the employee gets a tatoo on his forehead that says "McDonalds sucks so fucking much it makes me want to murder Grimace" (you know the big purple thingy)

A website runs a bbs that refuses to allow the word "N*****" to be posted

The owner of a newspaper refuses to print an article written by one of his staff because the article is diametrically opposed to his beliefs.

A court orders the owner of a newspaper to print an article that is diametrically opposed to his beliefs.

A 16 year old starts an 'underground' newspaper that contains some very rebellious content, he is arrested, convicted under the Sedition act and sent to prison.

Thought police change the minds of people with dissident views.

These scenarios range from the most liberal to the most restrictive (to downright denial) definitons of censorship. It's important to make sure everyone is on the same page (and I doubt that we all are) when we discuss censorship.

Dr. Arbitrary

[Nirvana13666]

Censorship is taking away one's freedom. People should develop their own sense of censorship but should always speak out when needed. Racism should be censored but it isn’t instead people go to extremes and censor curse words out of songs. If you don’t want to listen to it or don’t want your kids listening to it stay away of keep them away

[FUNKbrs]

I am very anti censorship. When I was a kid my parents never hid anyhing from me. They openly talked about sex and used profanity. They kept S&M bondage gear laying around the house (I have a really funny story about handcuffs and a visiting minister). My parents even openly used drugs around me and my brother. By being exposed to such things as a child, I was able to learn how to cope with them. I never went through a phase where profanity for profanity's sake was "cool" because I knew that there was a line where it just got disgusting. I had seen it all before. I dont think my parents were "bad" because of any of this, if at all, I think I benefited from the headstart I was given. In school I always was more mature than the other students, because I knew the dirty jokes and their punchlines [i]already[i] and so I had more restraint in my own jokes (ex poop jokes are a lot funnier before you hear the shit jokes)

All in all I am thankfull for my education in these matters back when I was young enough to understand that they were just common place. It saved me a lot of disillusionment in life.

[bumcheekcity]

At 6/10/03 04:26 PM, poxpower wrote: It's like Sex ed at the age of 10. What the fuck are they thinking those retards? Talking about "no sex till you're older" to a kid for 5 years is SURE to make him NEVER try it *cough* *cough*.

Of course, this is the main argument against the adstention method of teaching children. Mainly - It'll never work.

[Curtninja]

I think it has all been said here. Censorship is the devil as the mother from the waterboy would say. People who hope to homginize society will eventually succeed. There will be no more flare or controversy by the time my grandchildren are my age.

In schools now they are editing the text of English classes as well as standardized tests as not to offend. The word damn is replaced with darn and retared replaced with disabled and so on ad nauesm. It is sickening. Bowdlersing* literture is a sickening wave that has not reached its crest yet. I read that they want to replace the word fairy in fairy tales as not to offend homosexuals. Where does it end?

Those that portend to be "politcally correct" change the rules as we get used to them. As soon as the bulk of society got used to calling midgets little people, the term little people was deemed offensive. That's just one example there are scores more.

[Mr-Plad]

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[misterx2000]

At 6/12/03 01:59 AM, Mr_Plad wrote: this message was deemed inapropriate and has been removed for your benefit

LOL so true...

Curtninja makes valid points. Censors must draw the line somewhere...or it'll end up being totally arbitrary.

"Oh I don't like the word ugly...let's ban it!"

[wdfcverfgtghm]

At 6/11/03 09:31 PM, Curtninja wrote: Bowdlersing* literture is a sickening wave

This is the best point made yet. Bowdler is the perfect example of harmful censorship. Personally Jonathan Swift is my favorite author, and imagining a world without Gullivers Travels is very... boring. To think that censorship made one of the most socially progressive, amusing, and well written peices into a childrens book.

[Mr-Plad]

two words: Harrison Bergeron

[stafffighter]

I read that story. It was great.

[Curtninja]

I made a point I can retire from the message board now. It was nice know all of you. J\k

Another thing I thought about after I signed off yesterday is that there are artist, typically called shock jocks that make it harder for talented people to use "shock tactics" effectively. Shock jocks are so adpet at pissing everyone off that when a normally laid back author or talk show host does something outrageous to prove a point it oft times goes un-noticed.

[stafffighter]

There are assholes like that in any course of life, learn that while your young. They ruin the idea of doing anything outside of th ordinary.

[Mr-Plad]

At 6/12/03 11:47 AM, stafffighter wrote: I read that story. It was great.

i read it when i was a kid. very good short story indeed. you wouldnt believe how many people have never heard of it.

[Nirvana13666]

At 6/11/03 01:45 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: I am very anti censorship. When I was a kid my parents never hid anyhing from me. They openly talked about sex and used profanity. They kept S&M bondage gear laying around the house (I have a really funny story about handcuffs and a visiting minister). My parents even openly used drugs around me and my brother. By being exposed to such things as a child, I was able to learn how to cope with them. I never went through a phase where profanity for profanity's sake was "cool" because I knew that there was a line where it just got disgusting. I had seen it all before. I dont think my parents were "bad" because of any of this, if at all, I think I benefited from the headstart I was given. In school I always was more mature than the other students, because I knew the dirty jokes and their punchlines [i]already[i] and so I had more restraint in my own jokes (ex poop jokes are a lot funnier before you hear the shit jokes)

All in all I am thankfull for my education in these matters back when I was young enough to understand that they were just common place. It saved me a lot of disillusionment in life.

My mom was open with me from a young age. She pretty much never closed my eyes to anything. That is how I'll be with my kids too. It is bad enough they probably won't find any truth in the world the least I could do is give it to them at home. I knew about sex since I was a like 8. She always kept me informed; she said it would help prevent alot of mistakes. I thought so too until I figured out I like learning the hard way.

[nitroxide]

At 6/10/03 07:28 PM, Commander-K25 wrote:

At 6/10/03 03:57 PM, nailbomb wrote: Entertainment aside, even the news is censored, you didn't see what happened after the bombs were dropped on Iraq. Well on the mainstream media anyways. Here's something you didn't see on FOX news.
More info/pictures at http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/a...;headline=CRITICAL%20CONDITION

You could try to stay on topic rather than turn this into another "I Hate America/Fox News" rant. We all know your opinion, get over it.

Nailbomb was merely stating another form of censhorship.Many new people come to the forum and maybe they aren't informed on his opinion.If you see his name skip over the post but don't try to CENSOR ones opinion.

[nitroxide]

Self censorship is key in life.Some kids shouldn't be exposed to the negative aspects of life,but kids sometimes develop this idea long into there future,they make a false reality to feel safe like the childhood dreams of man the innocence the "great age of depravement".Why are so many things censored in life schools stray away from the brutalities of war.

People want to nurture the children into a high sense of safety covering them from the truth that we don't even feel safe ourselves.

List of censored literature

[Commander-K25]

At 6/12/03 04:49 PM, nitroxide wrote: List of censored literature

This is just a list of various books, not even censored books, just general titles. How is this relevant?

[Jimsween]

At 6/12/03 07:10 PM, Commander-K25 wrote:

At 6/12/03 04:49 PM, nitroxide wrote: List of censored literature

This is just a list of various books, not even censored books, just general titles. How is this relevant?

I think he is mad that book are edited. Dont ask me why...

[antiqkk]

At 6/12/03 07:14 PM, jimsween wrote:

At 6/12/03 07:10 PM, Commander-K25 wrote:

At 6/12/03 04:49 PM, nitroxide wrote: List of censored literature

This is just a list of various books, not even censored books, just general titles. How is this relevant?

I think he is mad that book are edited. Dont ask me why...

Umm ok. I won't ask you then... =:P

[nitroxide]

At 6/12/03 07:10 PM, Commander-K25 wrote:

At 6/12/03 04:49 PM, nitroxide wrote: List of censored literature

This is just a list of various books, not even censored books, just general titles. How is this relevant?

Im showing another form of censhorship,im giving an example...and yes they are censored books that have been made available only online some are only partial archives.Browse through the site youll read this..."A list of censored and banned books and links to the online versions of most"

It says it here.

[cannibal7878]

Really censorship is just another form of control, and manipulation. Down with it! Exercise our rights as American citizens, say what you want, when you want! If someone says don't say that, say really really loud...hehehehe...down with it I say.