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At 6/29/07 07:59 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote: The death penalty is absolutely absurd in my mind. Like said before in this thread, what if there was a mistake made? What if this person is innocent and the killer is still out there? There would be no one to give a real testimony as what happened.

There are currently about 67,000 corpses in Iraq that mostly were innocent people. The number of innocent people who would be subjected to the death penalty is negligible, and according to your own logic, putting the same person in prison for 50+ years until we figure it out would be a worse punishment than death. Every step is taken to ensure that a mistake is not made, and the actual rate of mistakes is low enough that this objection is effectively nullified.

And as to the argument of the death penalty being cheaper then keeping criminals in jail, how about we stop handing out ten year sentences to people in possession of drugs? They don't need to be in jail, they need a slap on the wrist and a trip to rehab.

I don't particularly agree with the drug policies of our nation, but a "slap on the wrist" rarely, if ever, has any effect on addicts or drug dealers. I don't believe that prison is an effective form of rehabilitation for drug use and sale, though, but that's a different issue from the Death Penalty.

Being in jail for your whole life is a hell of a lot worse and more agonizing then being sentenced to die, any way you look at it.

Two points: First of all, I don't see it as agonizing in any sense. I'm alive, I still have a chance to do what I want, and I still can live a full life and derive a sense of fulfillment and success, even if it is restricted by my environment. It is no different than the millions of people who lived and died as slaves and still found happiness.

Second, it's not about anyone's agony. It's about protecting citizerns of America, rehabilitating wayward members, and improving the overall condition of our nation. Allowing anger to cloud your judgement is purely a petty pleasure; what is more important is the consequences of your decision. Try to think clearly about this instead of emotionally.

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At 6/29/07 11:55 PM, Draconias wrote: Try to think clearly about this instead of emotionally.

If someone kills one of your family members I doubt you're going to think clearly instead of emotionally. From what I've heard so far you are one of those hypocritical bastards that no one can stand to hear speak their views. Please unless you have valid information on hand that states a humans thoughts if a family member or close friend dies by murder of another then you can talk to me about thinking clearly and emotionally.

The Death Penalty was put here to punish those for the killing of others. Also do you have valid information of 65,000 "innocent" Iraq People murdered. Also If you're here to talk about that then IT'S WAR! Innocent people will die! If the Iraq's were coming here then innocent Americans would die. If you want to bring up stuff about War go somewhere else, we are here to talk about the death penalty in the United States of America not wars of death!

HAVE A NICE DAY!
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At 6/30/07 11:52 PM, The-Great-One wrote: If someone kills one of your family members I doubt you're going to think clearly instead of emotionally.

And that's why family members are not the ones who convict and sentence criminals. Regardless of whether or not the person on trial is guilty, angry and grief-stricken family members often wish to take out their anger on the nearest person. Where do you think lynch-mobs and gang retaliations originate from? That is why we, the clear-minded and thinking people must make decisions about how to set up the system, not people who are nearly out of their minds with anger.

Over-emotionality leads to idiotic decisions and plans that fail.

The Death Penalty was put here to punish those for the killing of others.

Punishment becomes irrelevant if you're dead. Our focus should be on why we are killing the person, not a sadistic joy in the execution.

Also do you have valid information of 65,000 "innocent" Iraq People murdered.

Did you not notice the link I provided? I called them mostly innocent because I don't know how many of those civilians actually were, but I do know that a large number of people who didn't commit any crimes have been killed.

Also If you're here to talk about that then IT'S WAR! Innocent people will die! If the Iraq's were coming here then innocent Americans would die. If you want to bring up stuff about War go somewhere else, we are here to talk about the death penalty in the United States of America not wars of death!

I completely support the war, and it is entirely relevant to this discussion. If our government is willing to kill thousands of people who have not committed crimes to protect its citizens then you can not argue that it can't kill people who have committed crime. The point is that any "ethical" complaints against the Death Penalty are baseless because you are not applying your "ethics" equally.

HAVE A NICE DAY!

It's night-time.