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At 6/11/03 02:11 AM, poxpower wrote: I'm talking GENETICS here. Like, are black people generally more prone to whining than Asian people. Just answer that.

all humans are intrinsically the same. race or color makes no difference. experinces, however, can shape a race and how they behave. it all leads to a nuture v. nature arguement from the looks of it.

and if African-Americans are truely over the whole slavery bit, then why do they keep bringing it up? ie. reparations from slave owning families.

I choose nuture.

The 'whine' feature seems to be disabled on some models...

At 6/11/03 02:15 AM, TheShrike wrote:

At 6/11/03 01:16 AM, poxpower wrote: "thou shall not kill" that's the basic philosophy of most religions.

Hmph... and so what do the religous do? They kill each other over such a simple concept as god.

These so-called crusaders do NOT represent their religion. They have taken it out of context and are undermining it in a hypocritical way. I agree it does seem that way to outsiders.

If everyone TRULY followed their teachings, everyone would be at peace and mutually understanding.

At 6/11/03 02:21 AM, mysecondstar wrote:

At 6/11/03 02:11 AM, poxpower wrote:

and if African-Americans are truely over the whole slavery bit, then why do they keep bringing it up? ie reparations from slave owning families.

"To err is human, to forgive divine."

But bearing grudges and giving in to anger is just too easy...

At 6/11/03 09:05 AM, misterx2000 wrote:
"To err is human, to forgive divine."

But bearing grudges and giving in to anger is just too easy...

Oh and I just found this from Evanuato's profile:

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind". -Gandhi

At 6/11/03 02:15 AM, TheShrike wrote:
Hmph... and so what do the religous do? They kill each other over such a simple concept as god.

that was my point exactly. Just because Africans have some sort of principle doesn't mean they follow it at all. They probably were as violent as any other culture on earth.

Racism - a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

That means all races not just white vs black or vice versa.

If you look into the history of every existing race you will come to find that every culture has suffered some type of severe slavery or discrimination. I don’t think people are correct when they say white is a race. White is a color and behind that you must find out what you background nationality is. Even if you are the 15th generation of your ancestors to be born in the USA with blond hair and blue eyes doesn’t make you white….it makes you American.

At 6/11/03 02:21 AM, mysecondstar wrote:
all humans are intrinsically the same. race or color makes no difference. experinces, however, can shape a race and how they behave. it all leads to a nuture v. nature arguement from the looks of it.

Are you SURE about that? It's not because the constitution says it that it's true. I'm all for equal rights though, I just won'r admit that at birth, every human is the same, although there probably isn't a gib difference anyways.

and if African-Americans are truely over the whole slavery bit, then why do they keep bringing it up? ie. reparations from slave owning families.

Yeah. The Jews also bring up WW2, like, every year. All the time. Seems like people want to remember about it every day of their lives, so they can all be a LOT happier like that. I think that "remembering so it doesn't happen again" is a naive thing to do, as we all know humans are crap at heart and will do every horrible trick in the book to get what they want.
I think that nowadays, black people shouldn't bring up slavery as an excuse to ANYTHING, nor should they always be, like "hey bruda hey bruda". I saw that Martin Lawrence movie, National Security, and in it, he gets "beaten" (not really, you just have to see it I guess) by a white cop, and then they send the white cop to jail.
Now... they actually made it sound WAAAAAAAAAAY worse because he was beating a black guy, and all the big black thugs in prisio were going to kick his ass. WTF!!! That is a load of bullshit to me, as if black citizens had some kind of priviliedge or something. I hate the fact that people assume that is you hate a person from an opposite color, you're racist.

Like in Southpark, when Cartamn wups the ass of a black kid, he's thrown into jail for a "hate crime". And the moral of this is " You can only hate someone is they're the same color as you.

I never saw an Asian in a movie play that stupid racist thing. Like Jackie Chan. He's a "racial minority", but he NEVER whines about racism in his movies and all, and people really respect him. I never heard of any movie with an asian actor being misstreated cause of skin color. Ever. But I see, to recall many with black people playing the racist card.

At 6/11/03 10:21 AM, Nirvana13666 wrote:
If you look into the history of every existing race you will come to find that every culture has suffered some type of severe slavery or discrimination. I don’t think people ...

Hum, yeah I guess. But I'm still wondering why NOWADAYS, regardless of the past, black people seem to be always the ones who whine about being misstreated because of their color.

At 6/11/03 10:24 AM, poxpower wrote: Are you SURE about that? It's not because the constitution says it that it's true. I'm all for equal rights though, I just won'r admit that at birth, every human is the same, although there probably isn't a gib difference anyways.

yes i am sure about it. all people are the same. and not because anyone had to shove it down my throat. take a balck child at birth and raise him in a white family in a white neighborhood he will act very white. and we know that a white person raised in a black neighborhood will act black. case in point: Eminem.

Yeah. The Jews also bring up WW2, like, every year. All the time. Seems like people want to remember about it every day of their lives, so they can all be a LOT happier like that. I think that "remembering so it doesn't happen again" is a naive thing to do, as we all know humans are crap at heart and will do every horrible trick in the book to get what they want.
I think that nowadays, black people shouldn't bring up slavery as an excuse to ANYTHING, nor should they always be, like "hey bruda hey bruda". I saw that Martin Lawrence movie, National Security, and in it, he gets "beaten" (not really, you just have to see it I guess) by a white cop, and then they send the white cop to jail.
Now... they actually made it sound WAAAAAAAAAAY worse because he was beating a black guy, and all the big black thugs in prisio were going to kick his ass. WTF!!! That is a load of bullshit to me, as if black citizens had some kind of priviliedge or something. I hate the fact that people assume that is you hate a person from an opposite color, you're racist.

Like in Southpark, when Cartamn wups the ass of a black kid, he's thrown into jail for a "hate crime". And the moral of this is " You can only hate someone is they're the same color as you.

i hope you didn't take National Security literally. i know you wouldn't take South Park seriously. it's an exageration on the truth. take it for what they are: comedies.

I never saw an Asian in a movie play that stupid racist thing. Like Jackie Chan. He's a "racial minority", but he NEVER whines about racism in his movies and all, and people really respect him. I never heard of any movie with an asian actor being misstreated cause of skin color. Ever. But I see, to recall many with black people playing the racist card.

American Girl with Margaret Cho. i am not very fond of her comedy but she complains about being Asian. Korean in particular. constantly. it isn't as popular as it should have been because there just isn't enough Asians in this country to make a dent. it's similar to import street racing. it was started by Asian guys in southern California and it wasn't until recently that import tuning has become a huge industry. because if i told you import racing had its origins in the early 19990s most of you will try to remember 1992 and remember that tuned cars weren't as easy to find as they are today. it wasn't until every other race joined in that we finally have movies like Fast and the Furious and the remake or Gone in 60 Seconds have become so sucessful.

in otherwords, Asians aren't a large enough minority to carry a loud voice.

At 6/11/03 12:15 PM, mysecondstar wrote: yes i am sure about it. all people are the same. and not because anyone had to shove it down my throat. take a balck child at birth and raise him in a white family in a white neighborhood he will act very white. and we know that a white person raised in a black neighborhood will act black. case in point: Eminem.

So it seems that youre acknowledging that there is a comparable difference in people that are raised by different parents, and sets of beliefs. It seems to be true generally, and so Im not saying that youre wrong. One thing though, people have the ability to change despite their upbringing. Now we look at one person raised by blacks, and one by whites, for an example. The child raised by blacks will tend to be bold, and at times, quite rude. I feel this is true because they are attention junkies, for the most part. Also, it seems that they are raised to view the world in such a way that it is against them. They feel that people/society are against them, and so they tend to lash out. Im sure I could think of a few more examples, but Ill leave that to another person.

why does everyone always assume that culture and race are the same thing? If you raise a white person in a black neighborhood, he will act "black". the same is true for all other races in either position. Because asians are such a minority, almost all asians grow up in "white" neighborhoods, meaning that they will of course act more "white". If there were large scale asian neighborhoods in the US, then there would be a better understanding of asian culture, and thus more asian stereotypes. A persons race does not make them fit a certaing stereo type of action, it is their culture. Northern whites and Southern whites are the same color, but I think we can all agree on where rednecks come from.

Please people, learn the difference between genetics and culture.

The reasons asians are less subject to racism and negative stereotypes is because they assimilate easier into the white culture. Blacks, Whites, and Asians all have different cultures. Obviously, the dominant culture in America is White. White culture tends to favor hard work, working towards a materialistic ends, giving your kids a better life than you had, etc. Asians are very similar in values, with of course some variations. Both white and asian cultures strongly favor doing well in school, and getting an education. Asian culture is also very stoic in nature. This is not the case with Black Culture.

None of these cultures are inherently "better" than the other, but in America, your ability to assimilate to the dominant white culture says ALOT for how successful you will be as a race.

At 6/8/03 09:17 PM, poxpower wrote: Seriously, why is it that when you think about the word "racist" you never think about a chinese person being discriminated by a white guy. Could it POSSIBLY be that black people might do something that asian people don't? Or vice-versa?

Well i like to think its because there are no asian people that are annoying as hell that will jump up and fight for every single case of racism that happens like Jesse Jackson for example he make his mission in life that every single thread of racism towards blacks is stomped out and you know what I'm fucking sick and tired of Jesse and Reverened Al. In case you were wondering I'm black so i don't want to hear anyone else's bullshit.

I think the reason why asian people never got discriminated as much as black people, and even today, is because they are quiet and don't take more space than they should. Like, never heard of an Asian raper, and only people like Eddy Murphy and Martin Lawrence are incredibely loud-mouthed and annoying. It's just a feeling I get from some black people, you know that you see in some movies and on tv and on the streets, always shouting away at something.

Man pox its nice to see that you take popular black stars from tv and movies and hold them responsible for the action of a entire race of people nice. You need to meet some real black people my friend and not just these Ghetto sterotypes that Tv and movies protray to you.

Asian don't do that. They're much quieter.

And you know this how?

Am I even slightly right here?

I'm going out on a limb here but no

Asian people never speak of rasism to defend themselves, as in "you damn racist blablalbla" while black people seem to always say that.

Ok so its wrong to take a stand and say i was treated unfairly and if i remeber correctly (here we go) asian did'nt endure over 300 years of slavery people being brought up and dying in slavery you try having you family being raised and died as someone's property and how fucking cheery you are.

Am I just a victim of tv stereotypes here

Yes you are

, or are black people truly louder than asians
Yes we are but don't we kinda have a reason to be and not alllllllllll blacks are loud mouths, thus contributing to more hate towards them than towards the asian, and that hate of course not being related to color.

So your saying its ok to hate blacks because were outspoken....thats fucked up man.

I smell another White America comming on.

Yay! It's been so long since there's been an epic debate around here! =D

At 6/11/03 02:39 PM, TheShrike wrote: I smell another White America comming on.

Yay! It's been so long since there's been an epic debate around here! =D

I'll bring it if you want it but the question is is that really what you want do you want the old DBF black just say yes and you got him.

Wow... did you even have to ask?

YES!

At 6/11/03 02:39 PM, TheShrike wrote: Yay! It's been so long since there's been an epic debate around here! =D

here here! let's break out the bubbley!

At 6/11/03 02:35 PM, DarkBlueFlame wrote:
Asian people never speak of rasism to defend themselves, as in "you damn racist blablalbla" while black people seem to always say that.

Ok so its wrong to take a stand and say i was treated unfairly and if i remeber correctly (here we go) asian did'nt endure over 300 years of slavery people being brought up and dying in slavery you try having you family being raised and died as someone's property and how fucking cheery you are.

Aye, too many people are coddled and pampered nowadays, they need to step away from their computers and air cons once in awhile. Maybe even (gasp) visit a less developed country!

To poxpower's first ..err post: WOW YOU DON'T KNOW AMERICAN HISTORY. Everyone...EVERYONE.. was discriminated against. Have you heard of the "Irish Nigger" (NO OFFENSE TO ALL) This was created during the ..I do not remember (Learned it in my Ethics class). I think it was during the early/late 1800 and early 1900. Did you know that the Chinese built the continental railroad because the white people payed this close to dirt? The Irish lynched a few Chinese people since they were stealing the Irish jobs in the North-Eastern area of this country. Everyone is discriminated/discriminating against each other... whites and blacks, blacks and latinos, latinos and Irish, Irish and Chinese, etc. The list is long.

Stop talking about 300 of slavery bullshit, it has NOTHING to do with how black people should act/be treated today in america. Live in the present and stop founding your arguments on the wrongs of people who are all long dead.

Also, I did NEVER say that all blacks, notr even that majority, are loud and everything. It's once again an immature reaction, and I'm tired to have to say "but of course I'm not generalizing" in every post I make. You guys should know better dammit.

Now, I uses one example from a movie to show how black people seem to react towards white people who don't agree with them. There are TONS of examples liek that on tv and in some b movies and crap like that, and ONLY black people do that, never ASIANS.
Sorry, but I think that means something. And don't reply "no" cause that's not an argument and I'll put my ignore cap on.

Now, about the genetic part, I think that if it has some role to play, it's extremely minor, so let that go, that's not my main argument dammit.

Now, it seems to me that the black community had a tendency to stick out against racism or something, they overdo it sometimes, and play the "racism" card whenever they are threatened by white people.

So anyways, let's go at it again.

FACT: Polpular belief seems to suggest that the black people are the only ones who white people are being racist too. I never heard the Asian community whine or constantly stand up to implement "asian" right.

So, the question is, why? Are white people really always mean to black people like that? Is it that Asian are as victimized but don't talk about it? Is it that the american black culture is actually more annoying than the asian minority?

My guess: Black people seem to be associated with higer crime rate. These same people are also racist ( like in Die Hard) and try to get away with it by playing the racism card. ANd this is combined with some black "patriots" who stand up for black right when the need is not there, thus creating more racism ( like that america accpepts black judges thing).

Now, UNDERSTAND THAT: I'm not saying a majority contrubute to this, in fact it's probably much less that 10%, I'm not sayin the asian people are less involved in criminal activities, or white people for that matter, I'm just sayin that only the black people seem to talk about racism.

Damn, too tired I'll continue this later.

"I'll be back"

Heres a theory that may pertain to this matter. Okay, this is something taken from my Existentialsm class that I had a few semesters ago. People determine who they are through actions. People therefore can change because they can choose their actions. Actions determine the individual. An individual is not bound to be described as one thing or another. The person is what they are because of the actions they choose; the actions arent choose because of who they are because that line of thinking is backwards.

People who are loud and whine about rasicsm choose to be that way. Saying that slavery is a reason to do so is not a very good scapegoat. People that use that as a reason are using a lame excuse, and they cant really come up with an educated thing to say. I still cant understand why it is that Blacks tend to fall into this category more often than others.

At 6/13/03 01:13 AM, BWS wrote:
People who are loud and whine about rasicsm choose to be that way. Saying that slavery is a reason to do so is not a very good scapegoat. People that use that as a reason are using a lame excuse, and they cant really come up with an educated thing to say. I still cant understand why it is that Blacks tend to fall into this category more often than others.

Good addition there. I figure they whine all the time cause of that history of their, like a Jew today would try to suck some sympathy out of you cause of the Holocaust. That's just really too bad.
And I don't hear the Japanese complain about the americans, or the contrary, even though they tangled in WW2. I guess some people know when the past is passed.

And I hope no one will reply to this with " we must never forget history blalbalba" crap cause it has nothing to do with how people should behave.

At 6/13/03 01:24 AM, poxpower wrote:

At 6/13/03 01:13 AM, BWS wrote:

And I hope no one will reply to this with " we must never forget history blalbalba" crap cause it has nothing to do with how people should behave.

Very good addition as well. True, this has to do with personalities, not history.

there is a case in Northbrook, Illinois, a northern suburb of Chicago where a predominantly Korean church filed suit against the town because they felt their civil rights were being compromised.

the case was that the town shut down the church for not cleaarly known by even many of the white people in the town. which is the case the church is taking to court.

so as for Asians not fighting for any kind of discriminationn it isn't so. haven't heard of it? probably because no one cares since they aren't black.

my point? blacks seems to get all the publicity. i know that every time something of this nature were to happen to blacks then it would be all over the nationaly news instead of a little blurb in the Chicago Tribune.

At 6/13/03 02:21 AM, mysecondstar wrote: my point? blacks seems to get all the publicity. i know that every time something of this nature were to happen to blacks then it would be all over the nationaly news instead of a little blurb in the Chicago Tribune.

my point too. It seems black people like to whine more and make a big deal out of everything. I never heard of a black guy standing up for racism against non-black people. Ever. Bunch o babies.
But you forgot one thing in your post that might confuse some people : NOT ATT BLACKS IN FACT NOT EVEN THE MAJORITY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS REPUTATION AND WE WILL NOT JUDGE ANY PERSON WE DON'T KNOW BASED ON THAT REPUTATION.
thank you :)

i wasn't saying that black people make a big deal out of black issues. i'm saying the press makes a big deal out of black issues. almost all other issues are secondary. and i wasn't alluding to any sterotypes of black people. in fact i have stated in my previous posts.

At 6/11/03 10:26 AM, poxpower wrote:

At 6/11/03 10:21 AM, Nirvana13666 wrote:

Hum, yeah I guess. But I'm still wondering why NOWADAYS, regardless of the past, black people seem to be always the ones who whine about being misstreated because of their color.

Fine lets not talk about the past injustices lets talk about the recent...

Amadou diallo:

NYC resident shot 41 times by four white officers...19 bullets hit.Hmmmm..Do the math 41 bullets.In court the cops were given no prison time some got off with a transfer to another precint.

James Byrd:
James Byrd was brutally murdered by three whites in Jasper Texas four years ago. Byrd's lynchers offered him a lift in their pickup truck, beat him and chained him and dragged him to his death.

Knights of the White Camellia Ku Klux Klan:
Among the reported acts of intimidation was the threat to blow up a housing unit to prevent its integration; residents of the project additionally alleged that the White Camellia Knights carried automatic weapons on a bus they drove through the housing complex and that one Klan member offered white children $50 to beat up African-American children.

Existing KKK

I also had a great link for predominantly african american church arsons but i lost it...im pretty sure all of you can find many of these arsons,over the past ten years.

It is a sad fact that a much higher number of black children than white grow up at a social disadvantage and are more tempted to break society's rules.That is why most,actually 64% make up the prison system although they are only 12% of the american population.

I still believe it goes back to the whole nature vs nuture agrument.

I don't think blacks are genetically predisposed to be loud and argue and pull the racism card when they feel it suits. I don't think asians are genetically programmed to be quiet, and I certainly don't think every white is a plantation owner in disguise. To assume such is a fallacy and completely throws many factors out of the window.

Take into account that many asian americans are raised in households holding onto ancient culture. Take into account that many white are raised to not ever be racist, and to be honest, a childhood in the burbs is much more sheltered than in the innercity. Many blacks are raised to know that the world is a heavy place, and that there are those out there who only wish to repress them.

To support this, I think rap wouldn't be nearly so popular if it didn't suit a dual service to white youths. What dual service? Young white kids can help alliviate the guilt from 300 years by imersing themselves in 'black culture'. Teens also need rebelion. it helps them assert their personality. So they listen to and buy rap music, which their parents probably don't like.

I just don't think rap would be so popular if it were invented 300 years in the future. But what do I know about the future? I'm basing all this off of the past, anyway.

At 6/13/03 03:19 AM, nitroxide wrote:

stuff some random nutcases did to black people either by accident or by racism

Those things probably happen to every race, but see how big a deal it's become because of skin color? ( well, I don't know all about what's your reporting here, but I'm assuming the perpetrators were white and the victims were black or something).
There's probably much worse things that happen, but because news crew know that when a black person is involved it will get them publicity and fame and whatnot they don't report it as frontpage news.That's sad.

The KKK is really an embarassing thing really, but depsite their many evil plans and whatnot, do they actually cause that much of a ruckus? Enough to justify that habbit of using the word "racist" all the time. Maybe that's another reason black people talk about racism; the KKK's existence.

And why the hell isn't there some kind of KKK to hate the Asian people anyways? Why do they hate black people so much? Maybe there is some sort of anti-asian crew somewhere. who knows.

It is a sad fact that a much higher number of black children than white grow up at a social disadvantage and are more tempted to break society's rules.That is why most,actually 64% make up the prison system although they are only 12% of the american population.

That's the second half of my theory, or maybe the other reason we hear about black "persecussion". I live in Canada, and I know that in Montreal, which is a mini NYC, we have a pletora of black immigrants, and they cause a lot of trouble, and it has nothing to do with their color, but with their social background. And again, they love to play the racism card to try and get away with it.