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At 6/26/07 05:51 PM, boloneyman wrote: It is a damn tragedy that a great man is gone. It is even worse that his name will be tarnished by people who know nothing of him. Yes Chris was a murderer, but that doesn't make him evil. Life and people are not that simply black and white. The colors blend and we are full of our grey areas.

If the reports are actually correct and they find he did, in fact, kill his wife and his SON (a defenseless kid, mind you), then the fucking guy is evil to the core. Killers are not good people, but the ones who kill KIDS? Their OWN kids? Come on... don't defend people that do this.

If, of course, they find some other enario entirely and this is all some sort of setup, then by all means the guy was not evil.

Damn... This blows... He was one of my favorite wrestlers. But things happen.

At 6/26/07 05:56 PM, Supperdude9 wrote:

At 6/26/07 05:55 PM, Maus wrote: i wasn't talking about the wrestling fanbase overall. I was talking about the NG userbase, which is what lolomgisuck was referring to.

Don't you mean the user base that pepeatumi was referring to?

No. lolomfgisuck seemed to be amazed that the NG General Forum, which is made of of primarily minors, was more interested in the death of a professional wrestler than the recent deaths of many older politicians and military figures. I pointed out to him the age demographic of the General forum. pepeatumi misunderstood and thought I was referring to the wrestling fanbase around the world as being made up of minors. I disabused him of this notion. All of that should be abundantly clear, so I'll just go on blaming the piss poor educational systems for the lack of reading comprehension that goes on here.

At 6/26/07 06:00 PM, Maus wrote:

so I'll just go on blaming the piss poor educational systems for the lack of reading comprehension that goes on here.

like when HAcoreRD thought you were accusing him of being HAcoreRD'sdad. but actually you just busted out my friend jim-bob-joe for doing it! I remember that!

At 6/26/07 05:58 PM, RSQViper wrote: If the reports are actually correct and they find he did, in fact, kill his wife and his SON (a defenseless kid, mind you), then the fucking guy is evil to the core.

I wouldn't go so far as to say evil. I don't know much about the man, but if he felt overwhelmed in his role as family caretaker, it's a possibility that he saw his actions as an only way out. In his mind, if he couldn't fix them, he should put them down and then kill himself because he's failed in his role as protector. It happens a lot more than people know about.

Rational thinking is not the forte of the troubled soul.

At 6/26/07 06:00 PM, Maus wrote: No. lolomfgisuck seemed to be amazed that the NG General Forum, which is made of of primarily minors, was more interested in the death of a professional wrestler than the recent deaths of many older politicians and military figures. I pointed out to him the age demographic of the General forum. pepeatumi misunderstood and thought I was referring to the wrestling fanbase around the world as being made up of minors. I disabused him of this notion. All of that should be abundantly clear, so I'll just go on blaming the piss poor educational systems for the lack of reading comprehension that goes on here.

...or some of us just got confused...some of us get confused easily...it's not the education system's fault....some of us just get confused easily....

*runs off crying*

He needs no pity, he snapped. Probably roid rage. How do you honestly honor a man after that?

At 6/26/07 06:08 PM, vannila-guerilla wrote: He needs no pity, he snapped. Probably roid rage. How do you honestly honor a man after that?

You don't he's brought utter shame on his family and anyone who knew him.

At 6/26/07 06:08 PM, vannila-guerilla wrote: He needs no pity, he snapped. Probably roid rage. How do you honestly honor a man after that?

Seconded. Despite him being a "heroic figure" (I personally wouldn't know, I never got into wrestling), the man must have been somewhat unstable to commit such an atrocity. A person can be very different in and out of the spotlight. I always saw wrestling as a kind of sitcom, people adapt and like certain characters, and the Heroic figure people saw on screen may not have been the same in reality.

But hey, I don't follow wrestling so therefore my opinion is null and void on the matter.

At 6/26/07 06:16 PM, ouchichi wrote:

But hey, I don't follow wrestling so therefore my opinion is null and void on the matter.

Is that sarcasm I detect?

Listen, we wrestling fans get flak for enjoying this. And even if you guys find it stupid, we find it entertaining. We know you guys roll your eyes whenever you see something on Professional Wrestling, and that you immediately judge whoever gets into watching it.

But don't think that we are like you. Your opinion is not null and void. You are like most other members - you are giving your opinion on a matter even though you don't fully understand it. If we waited for everyone to understand everything about a topic before they posted in it, then NG would be dead.

But don't put us in your same category.

At 6/26/07 05:58 PM, RSQViper wrote:

At 6/26/07 05:51 PM, boloneyman wrote:

If the reports are actually correct and they find he did, in fact, kill his wife and his SON (a defenseless kid, mind you), then the fucking guy is evil to the core. Killers are not good people, but the ones who kill KIDS? Their OWN kids? Come on... don't defend people that do this.

I personally do not believe in good and evil. This a great example. A man who was described as a good person by many people, commited an evil act. Good people can do evil things. It isn't possible to sort things into a group of good and others into a group of evil. Human nature isn't binary.

Also for the peop,e who believe it was roid rage, the following was coppied off of WWE.com

1. The authorities stated that all drugs found in the house were believed to be legal prescriptions.

2. Steroids were not, and could not, be related to the cause of death (asphyxiation). Authorities had no factual basis to speculate as to Benoit’s state of mind, and rightly did not do so.

3. Toxicology tests have not even been completed, so there is no current evidence that Benoit even had steroids or any other substance in his body. In that regard, on the last test done on Benoit by WWE's independently administered drug testing program, done on April 10, 2007, Benoit tested negative.

4. The physical findings announced by authorities indicate deliberation, not rage. The wife's feet and hands were bound and she was asphyxiated, not beaten to death. By the account of the authorities, there were substantial periods of time between the death of the wife and the death of the son, again suggesting deliberate thought, not rage. The presence of a Bible by each is also not an act of rage.

5. WWE strongly suggests that it is entirely wrong for speculators to suggest that steroids had anything to do with these senseless acts, especially when the authorities plainly stated there is no evidence that Benoit had steroids in his body, pending the toxicological reports, and that they had no evidence at this time as to the motive for these acts.

At 6/26/07 06:08 PM, vannila-guerilla wrote: He needs no pity, he snapped. Probably roid rage. How do you honestly honor a man after that?

read the thread dumbass. wwe.com stated it was not roid rage.

At 6/26/07 06:29 PM, jacktherack wrote:

At 6/26/07 06:08 PM, vannila-guerilla wrote: He needs no pity, he snapped. Probably roid rage. How do you honestly honor a man after that?

read the thread dumbass. wwe.com stated it was not roid rage.

Yes because we all believe a company that fakes death for ratings.

At 6/26/07 06:23 PM, Supperdude9 wrote:

At 6/26/07 06:16 PM, ouchichi wrote:

But hey, I don't follow wrestling so therefore my opinion is null and void on the matter.

Is that sarcasm I detect?

Listen, we wrestling fans get flak for enjoying this. And even if you guys find it stupid, we find it entertaining. We know you guys roll your eyes whenever you see something on Professional Wrestling, and that you immediately judge whoever gets into watching it.

But don't think that we are like you. Your opinion is not null and void. You are like most other members - you are giving your opinion on a matter even though you don't fully understand it. If we waited for everyone to understand everything about a topic before they posted in it, then NG would be dead.

But don't put us in your same category.

Wow I never actually expected a reply to that... random. And as for sarcasm, I honestly wasn't being sarcastic. I said it because I generally don't have a clue about most aspects of wrestling, so I'm pretty much contributing to the thread blindly with only the current affairs to formulate my opinion on. I was intentionally trying to avoid bashing any wrestling fans because everyone has a right to enjoy any form of entertainment that they want. Now can we kindly return to the topic at hand instead of nitpicking at ambiguities in a user's post?

At 6/26/07 06:31 PM, ouchichi wrote: Wow I never actually expected a reply to that... random. And as for sarcasm, I honestly wasn't being sarcastic. I said it because I generally don't have a clue about most aspects of wrestling, so I'm pretty much contributing to the thread blindly with only the current affairs to formulate my opinion on. I was intentionally trying to avoid bashing any wrestling fans becauseeveryone has a right to enjoy any form of entertainment that they want. Now can we kindly return to the topic at hand instead of nitpicking at ambiguities in a user's post?

Yes. Can we please get on with the topic without any more "wrestling sucks" posts? And I applaud this sentence of yours:

"...everyone has a right to enjoy any form of entertainment that they want. "

...which is something that people here tend to forget when they say that anime/wrestling/rap/rock/this band/that band/etc. sucks.

Now...back to the topic on hand.

Its really sad how this thread grew in one day, come on guys, wrestling is fake....

At 6/26/07 06:36 PM, TheBasics wrote: Its really sad how this thread grew in one day, come on guys, wrestling is fake....

The dead people are very real.

The death of the wrestler is not fake.

S'yeah.

At 6/26/07 06:30 PM, HairyHungarian wrote:

Yes because we all believe a company that fakes death for ratings.

Found one.

The guy killed his wife and kids.

He was fucked up in the head. Good luck defending this crazy murderous mother fucker, Christ Benoit fans.

I just found out about that. Police say he was on steroids and he got angry so he commited a double-murder suicide. May he and his families soul RIP.

He killed his family and I was the first to say it: http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic.php?id=72 4388 .

At 6/26/07 06:34 PM, Supperdude9 wrote: Yes. Can we please get on with the topic without any more "wrestling sucks" posts? And I applaud this sentence of yours:

"...everyone has a right to enjoy any form of entertainment that they want. "

...which is something that people here tend to forget when they say that anime/wrestling/rap/rock/this band/that band/etc. sucks.

Now...back to the topic on hand.

Did I EVER at one point say wrestling sucks? -_- I'm very, VERY sorry if this thread has had a share of wrestling haters, but take it up with them, not someone who is trying to make (what I hope was) a decent contribution. Thanky.

If it's murder-suicide, I'm not sure if I should feel bad for him for this, his family I will but not him. I'll leave it at that.

At 6/26/07 06:40 PM, Nopidam wrote: He killed his family and I was the first to say it: http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic.php?id=72 4388 .

Not that this is a competition, but I mentioned it yesterday on page 6 .

At 6/26/07 06:40 PM, 2-Fit wrote: I just found out about that. Police say he was on steroids and he got angry so he commited a double-murder suicide. May he and his families soul RIP.

The
offical statment shows that there were no steriods in the house or his system, that evidence shows deliboration rather than rage and that the cause of death was not beatings. I don;'t know more details than that but don't reduce him to a roid head.

At 6/26/07 06:39 PM, SirLebowski wrote: The guy killed his wife and kids.

He was fucked up in the head. Good luck defending this crazy murderous mother fucker, Christ Benoit fans.

Knowing as much as we do right now, we can defend him just as much as you can condemn him. Without knowing the circumstances behind the situation, we know nothing. You don't know whether his actions were justifiable or not.

It's fucked up what he did, I'll admit that. But still, this is a sad state of affairs.

I want to go to a WWE event with a sign like...

Benoit the child killer.

At 6/26/07 07:04 PM, HairyHungarian wrote: I want to go to a WWE event with a sign like...

Benoit the child killer.

They'll fucking maul you. Do it