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At 7/9/07 09:54 PM, Thread-Killer wrote:

At 7/9/07 04:42 PM, AapoJoki wrote: However, I do respect those Christians who only worry about their own salvation, and don't push that shit on me in any way.

Why? You have respect for people that believe you will be tortured for an eternity and don't give a shit?

No, I meant that I respect those Christians who don't make any assumptions on whether other people are going to be "Saved". If someone believes I'm going to Hell, whether they care about it or not, obviously I have no reason to respect that person.

At 7/9/07 03:13 PM, Wikipedian wrote:

At 7/9/07 02:07 PM, TigerDemon wrote: To all those that this post pissed off: Your own medication is bitter is it not?

Jesus, you're posting the exact same paragraph again? What makes you think it's not going to be disappointingly unprofound and not at all meriting any discussion whatsoever this time?

Dude shut the hell up. I was responding to a post from some one else.

At 7/9/07 02:40 PM, Memorize wrote: And what you're doing is using extremists to justify your disrespect for those who aren't.

Who decides who is an extremist and who is not? Obviously, you can't just draw a line and say "these people you can disrespect, but these people you cannot disrespect".

I wasn't talking about extremists, and neither was he. So the only reason why you would even respond to me with that pitiful reply is because you do hate those who live their days religously while not bothering anyone.

Actualy, in a democratic society, simply by voting, you are making a diffrence.

It doesn't matter if yo're an atheist or a christian, jew, or even muslim, noone leads a bad life unless they make it that way, it's not to do with religeon. It's about how people act, and right now your all acting like morons, fighting over what's right and wrong when you learn to accept, though everyone follows different roads of belief, they all lead to the same town of kindness, thoughtfullness and selflessness. (That was a pretty cool metaphor, if I do say so myself). What is the point in arguing. Everyone, or close enough, does the right thing 'cause there brought up that way, either by the bible's tellings or by parent's tellings. you're all being stupid by fighting over it, christians, is that what the bible tells you to do? Atheists, is that theproper thing to do? I know you're both trying to show the other 'the truth', but the onl truth is your truth. Guess which I am, atheist or christian.

If someone believes I'm going to Hell, whether they care about it or not, obviously I have no reason to respect that person.

Is that because your definition of Hell is based on the old "Fire and Brimstone" type stuff? Devils with pitchforks?

Common misconception actually. Hell is simply the place "without God", the opposite of heaven.

For atheists or agnostics, since you already don't necessarily believe in God (or gods), you can consider Hell to simply be the life you live now.

Hell (contrary to popular opinion), is not a punishment. It's actually a simple choice, like apples or oranges. The difference is that for Christians, an eternity without God (choosing Hell) is a negative situation, therefore, to us, Hell is "bad". But if you don't believe in God, then choosing an eternity without him obviously really isn't that big a deal.....

But yeah, the dipshits that knock on your door and talk about how your soul is damned to an eternity in fire get on my nerves too.....especially since even after I tell them I'm Roman Catholic, they STILL try to convert me.....dipshits......

At 7/9/07 02:40 PM, Memorize wrote: You are the problem.

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I am only a problem to YOU, because you are completely unable to deal with people who do not need to follow the ideas of others.
You also seem to be incapable of abstact thought.

I am not the problem.
I am of a completely different opinion about organized religions than you are.
You become offended & upset by anyone who believes differently than yourself. Plus you try to put your values as being much more valid & important than anyone elses.

I am open to others ideas, I usually just don't agree with them,& I can tell when I am being led about by the nose. My picking what some may consider extremeist religions beliefs is a perfect example of that.
Who are you !!!!! to decide what is right & wrong???? Are you God? Or maybe perfect?

I know I am not qualified to decide any of those things, but I'm also not stupid. So I'm not about to let someone who knows as much ,or less than I do tell me how to live or what to believe.

At 7/10/07 01:53 PM, Imperator wrote: Is that because your definition of Hell is based on the old "Fire and Brimstone" type stuff? Devils with pitchforks?

Common misconception actually. Hell is simply the place "without God", the opposite of heaven.

There are over 2 billion Christians and their level of conviction and fundamentalism varies greatly. While there are a lot of Christians who don't believe atheists and adherents of other religions will be punished too harshly or at all after death, there still are a lot of Christians who believe in a very medieval concept of Hell. The truth is, I don't know who is the official authority on what kind of Hell Christians believe in. Even the Vatican doesn't qualify, because that only encompasses catholicism. Every Christian probably has their own idea of Hell, and no matter what any Christian, including you, says about Hell, I'll never know if I can consider it to be the mainstream view.

For atheists or agnostics, since you already don't necessarily believe in God (or gods), you can consider Hell to simply be the life you live now.

Hell (contrary to popular opinion), is not a punishment. It's actually a simple choice, like apples or oranges. The difference is that for Christians, an eternity without God (choosing Hell) is a negative situation, therefore, to us, Hell is "bad". But if you don't believe in God, then choosing an eternity without him obviously really isn't that big a deal.....

Well, that's much better than being tortured for eternity, but I still think there's a problem with it. Christians shouldn't "monopolize" salvation. To think that they're the only chosen people worthy of salvation gives some of them a reason to think they're better than people of other religions or non-religious people. The point I'm trying to make is that while it's acceptable that Christians believe in their own salvation through Jesus, they should also not deny other people from the salvation they believe in. For some, it could be Nirvana, for others it could be being reincarnated as a Holy Cow. For someone, the salvation could simply be living a decent life respecting others' right to exist and contribute to building a better society for the future generations. It isn't fair to think that Jesus, or any other religious entity of any other religion, could be the only way to one's personal salvation. Most other religions are often guilty of this too, not just Christianity.

I'm a Christian. But this is definitely not the way to go about this. Create a thread yelling at atheists. Good job.

At 7/10/07 04:06 PM, alanoink wrote: I'm a Christian. But this is definitely not the way to go about this. Create a thread yelling at atheists. Good job.

The person who created this thread is a neo-pagan. So I don't think he's trying to convert anyone, just stating a common truth about crybaby atheists.

The truth is, I don't know who is the official authority on what kind of Hell Christians believe in. Even the Vatican doesn't qualify, because that only encompasses catholicism.

Well Catholics make up 50% of all Christians worldwide, so if you had to have an authority......Vatican wouldn't be a bad place to start.......

***(waits for celladoor, Dre-Man, etc to pointlessly attack Catholicism)***

At 7/10/07 07:57 PM, Imperator wrote:

***(waits for celladoor, Dre-Man, etc to pointlessly attack Catholicism)***

We religous stand as one against the evils of the atheist community.

But as soon as they're gone, we start at each other's throats!

At 7/10/07 04:32 PM, JakeHero wrote:

At 7/10/07 04:06 PM, alanoink wrote: I'm a Christian. But this is definitely not the way to go about this. Create a thread yelling at atheists. Good job.

The person who created this thread is a neo-pagan. So I don't think he's trying to convert anyone, just stating a common truth about crybaby atheists.

The Chirstians were bitching about Athiest for WAY longer than the athiests were. Not "a common truth" at all. The Athiests hardly "cry" at all.

Ignorance is the key to stupidity.

At 7/10/07 08:08 PM, Memorize wrote:
We religous stand as one against the evils of the atheist community.

But as soon as they're gone, we start at each other's throats!

Yeah, great....Maybe I should start on my book about this mighty conflict to rival Caesar's.....

Ch 1: Stultos imperator ducit in bella.....non ratione ducitur sed impetu.......

Not quite as elegant as Caesar, but at least I get to refer to myself in the 3rd person.....

Assemble the masses, and let's wage this Holy War already....lol.....

At 7/7/07 09:50 PM, Memorize wrote: I always considered atheism as just a very hardened version of agnostic.

Besides. What better describes "non religous"? Agnostic? Or atheism?

A bit of a difference between "I don't know" and "No, there is not". He said I was full of shit, so I decided to show him that I was not "full of shit".

See, the thing is, so many people want to call themselves atheists that it's become a very ambiguous term, to the point that agnosticism is now considered a subset of atheism.

Basically, atheism has come to mean anyone who doesn't have some sort of faith in a god or gods, not just people who have faith in the non-existence of a god or gods.

Pretty stupid, huh?

At 7/11/07 12:11 PM, jokerscard wrote: I think Atheist are people who feel that they must ruin everything for people, that beacuse noone ever loved them (and in their minds god) that they can hurt anyone beacuse "there is no god" God or no god theres no problem with being a good person, being able to be trusted and respected.

I think a lot of atheists realise this. Why do you assume that all atheists want to "ruin everything for people"?

At 7/11/07 12:38 PM, Elfer wrote: I think a lot of atheists realise this. Why do you assume that all atheists want to "ruin everything for people"?

Because atheists want to drag all people along to hell with them. Seriously, this is a pretty known fact. See, if you're a christian, you won't go to hell if christianity is right. If you're a muslim, you won't go to hell if islam is right. But if you're an evil scumbag atheist, you're going to hell, regardless of which religion is right.

Being evil soulless bastards, atheists want to drag as many good religious people with them in their downfall. They know they are going to burn forever, and they don't want to burn alone. Also, they are just evil like that.

At 7/11/07 01:29 PM, Togukawa wrote:

Because atheists want to drag all people along to hell with them.

Yep.

Seriously, this is a pretty known fact. See, if you're a christian, you won't go to hell if christianity is right. If you're a muslim, you won't go to hell if islam is right. But if you're an evil scumbag atheist, you're going to hell, regardless of which religion is right.

Yep.

Being evil soulless bastards, atheists want to drag as many good religious people with them in their downfall. They know they are going to burn forever, and they don't want to burn alone. Also, they are just evil like that.

Yeah, all atheists are like that. You, him, everyone. You have 2 choices: Go to Hell or become non-existant. Now because you don't like the idea of having rules placed on you, you complain, whine, bitch and try to drag as many others with you to the grave because you know that either way, you're screwed.

Haha, must suck.

At 7/11/07 01:31 PM, Memorize wrote:
Yeah, all atheists are like that. You, him, everyone. You have 2 choices: Go to Hell or become non-existant. Now because you don't like the idea of having rules placed on you, you complain, whine, bitch and try to drag as many others with you to the grave because you know that either way, you're screwed.

Haha, must suck.

Seriously, what have you been smoking? There is no choice. There is only Hell waiting for unbelieving heretics. No matter how whiny, bitching soulless atheist fundamentalists (LOL, REDUNDANT, I know!) might WANT to become non-existant after death, the only real TRUTH is that they are going to hell. That's the reason why they are dragging others down, because they know that there is no choice.

The ONLY choice there is is to accept Jesus as the Saviour. Heaven or Hell. No in between. And atheists have already made their choice, and will go to hell to burn forever because of it.

God is willing to forgive any crime, petty theft or genocide, as long as you repent and accept Jesus as your saviour. However, no matter how "good" a life you might have lead, not accepting Jesus is simply unacceptable. Hitler could be in Heaven if he accepted Jesus, our Lord and Saviour into his heart before he shot himself, but Gandhi will forever BURN. As he should. God is wise, loving and merciful.

At 7/11/07 01:43 PM, Togukawa wrote:

No matter how whiny, bitching soulless atheist fundamentalists (LOL, REDUNDANT, I know!) might WANT to become non-existant after death, the only real TRUTH is that they are going to hell.

If you want to be serious, no one knows one way or the other if someone is going to hell.

You can guess, but you don't know. And that's why no one should be able to condemn others to hell. Simple as that.

The ONLY choice there is is to accept Jesus as the Saviour. Heaven or Hell. No in between. And atheists have already made their choice, and will go to hell to burn forever because of it.

And those who haven't heared about Jesus or even christianity?

God is willing to forgive any crime, petty theft or genocide, as long as you repent and accept Jesus as your saviour. However, no matter how "good" a life you might have lead, not accepting Jesus is simply unacceptable. Hitler could be in Heaven if he accepted Jesus, our Lord and Saviour into his heart before he shot himself, but Gandhi will forever BURN. As he should. God is wise, loving and merciful.

Who can forget that famous biblical quote, "not everyone who says to me 'lord, lord' shall enter the kingdom of heaven".

Looks like you have to do more than just say "I believe in God".

At 7/11/07 01:43 PM, Togukawa wrote: Stuff

Thy satire pierces the very heart of the beast and renders him dead.

Well played, good man. Well played indeed.

"Liberals look at 10,000 years of history and make the conclusion that every old idea must be deconstructed in order to create what they invision to become the perfect society"

I can peirce hearts too.

At 7/11/07 12:11 PM, jokerscard wrote:

:Why should anyone be mocked for having them? I think Atheist are people who feel that they must ruin everything for people, that beacuse noone ever loved them (and in their minds god) that they can hurt anyone beacuse "there is no god" God or no god theres no problem with being a good person, being able to be trusted and respected.

You now what is worst then a racist? A prejedice, you what a prejedice is? You.

Your Ignorance is the Key to your stupidity.

At 7/11/07 01:29 PM, Togukawa wrote:

At 7/11/07 12:38 PM, Elfer wrote: I think a lot of atheists realise this. Why do you assume that all atheists want to "ruin everything for people"?

Because atheists want to drag all people along to hell with them. Seriously, this is a pretty known fact. See, if you're a christian, you won't go to hell if christianity is right. If you're a muslim, you won't go to hell if islam is right. But if you're an evil scumbag atheist, you're going to hell, regardless of which religion is right.

Being evil soulless bastards, atheists want to drag as many good religious people with them in their downfall. They know they are going to burn forever, and they don't want to burn alone. Also, they are just evil like that.

Seriously, you people are prejedice scum. "evil souless bastards"
Athiests are just taking the chance that there is no fairytale god who does everything with his sheer will. I Will end this post like the one above
Also Christians are prejedice rat bastards like that.

At 7/11/07 07:30 PM, ImaSmartass2 wrote: Seriously, you people are prejedice scum. "evil souless bastards"
Athiests are just taking the chance that there is no fairytale god who does everything with his sheer will. I Will end this post like the one above
Also Christians are prejedice rat bastards like that.

Methinks you cannot detect the subtle hint of irony. Thus the irony of your own name is simply delicious.

Also it is spelt 'prejudice'; I do so dislike playing the part of the pedant but apparently it is a spelling you need to learn.

Because i love my username. Everybody says i am one so i decided to make it my username, "prejudice is not a word a write often so I forgot sorry.

At 7/10/07 08:24 PM, ImaSmartass2 wrote: The Chirstians were bitching about Athiest for WAY longer than the athiests were. Not "a common truth" at all. The Athiests hardly "cry" at all.

Christians do bitch, but proportionally atheists seemed more inclined to bitch. I don't see any christians whining about the fact there's religious symbols in a private burial. I don't see xtians suing people for their expressed views. Go to youtube, live journal, or the promised land and watch these vlogs posted by atheists. All they know how to do is bitch.

Ignorance is the key to stupidity.

Your delusion is induced by bias.

My spanish teacher has a great quote [not hers clearly]

Live and let live.

if your christian, you win! atheists go to hell for bitching, and if they go to heaven, they'll realise they were wrong and tell you how wrong they really were.

if your atheist, you win too; because the christians will continue to live misurable god fearing lives untill the day they turn into a pile of bones and ash, and that's the end of it.

everyone wins!

At 7/11/07 09:05 PM, JakeHero wrote: Christians do bitch, but proportionally atheists seemed more inclined to bitch. I don't see any christians whining about the fact there's religious symbols in a private burial. I don't see xtians suing people for their expressed views. Go to youtube, live journal, or the promised land and watch these vlogs posted by atheists. All they know how to do is bitch.

Your delusion is induced by bias.

Take note, high schoolers. This is a perfect example of irony. Use this quote on your SATs and you'll pass that portion with flying colors.

At 7/11/07 09:40 PM, Ravariel wrote:

At 7/11/07 09:05 PM, JakeHero wrote: Bitching that all the atheists do is bitch

Take note, high schoolers. This is a perfect example of irony. Use this quote on your SATs and you'll pass that portion with flying colors.

Ain't it the truth.

your a fuckwit
i'm sick of people making generlisation
i'm sorry you have been brainwashed by the control of relgion