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At 6/25/07 06:28 PM, Tal-con wrote: Not unless I believe what you believe is wrong

OH SNAP SON

You won't fuck off unless you believe what I believe is wrong? Well good, then you'll have an easy time at the fucking off business.

I myself is an atheist yu stop complaining about us yes we arnt sheltering others feeding poor cause yu have to help are selves we dont get donation by 1000 of people. like other fellow relign.

im not here to argue,just hear to state my point.
and with this country yur president "george bush" says athiest are fools in 04.
do u know how many intelligant people were athiest i highly doubt it but goodbye.
-shinnjuu

At 6/25/07 05:35 PM, JakeHero wrote:

At 6/25/07 05:05 PM, SolInvictus wrote: i'm curious though, what about atheists in India?

Could, taoists, buddhists, and hindus count? They're ultimate goal is achieving nirvana, when the soul is no longer conscious and is absorbed into the universe like a droplet of water on a pond?

Hindus believe in Gods so they would be a fair target for atheists and the soul is a religious concept so all those beliefs are not atheistic (well not completley) so they would be targets for atheist/theist conflict.

At 6/25/07 05:50 PM, Ravariel wrote:

At 6/25/07 05:47 PM, Tal-con wrote: God exists, now stop whining

He sure does!

i know i exist!

silly mortals!

I'd like to see some proof that there are no atheists that give to charities.

I can already think of Tycho Brahe from Penny-Arcade off the top of my head, but there's probably plenty more I'm missing. Remember Penny-Arcade created Child's Play, and that's a pretty big charity.

Not all charities have to be religious; I'm pretty sure I've seen some atheists who are nicer than some religious people I've met.

Douglas Adams sure was a bit less virulent than say, Pat Robertson

LOL, atheists receive such poor representation on the Internet. Yes, there are a LOT of whiney, immature atheists on the Internet, but not all atheists are intolerant assholes. You just hear mostly from the ones that are.

At 6/25/07 07:00 PM, Tal-con wrote:

At 6/25/07 06:55 PM, Tancrisism wrote:

At 6/25/07 06:28 PM, Tal-con wrote: Not unless I believe what you believe is wrong

OH SNAP SON

You won't fuck off unless you believe what I believe is wrong? Well good, then you'll have an easy time at the fucking off business.

I expected this to come from someone I believe is one who believes what I believe to be a nonsensical belief system.

Or so I believe.

Vice versa. So go believe what I consider a nonsensical belief system, and I'll believe what you consider a nonsensical belief system, and we'll go skipping off into the fields gallantly, hand in hand, arm in arm.

Chistian girl suck dick poorly.

Also, are you base are belong to atheism. The problem atheists have with christians is that they're all assholes suppressing the urge to stick their fingers up there and see how it feels.

Yeah rock on! Also, i gave twenty bucks to jump rope for heart last month, does that mean i'm disqualified from being an atheist?

At 6/25/07 07:15 PM, ForkRobotik wrote:

Also, are you base are belong to atheism. The problem atheists have with christians is that they're all assholes suppressing the urge to stick their fingers up there and see how it feels.

Was that a sexual reference?

At 6/25/07 07:19 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 6/25/07 07:15 PM, ForkRobotik wrote:

Also, are you base are belong to atheism. The problem atheists have with christians is that they're all assholes suppressing the urge to stick their fingers up there and see how it feels.

Was that a sexual reference?

Sexuality is not a sin, my child. So get on your knees and start praying already!

At 6/25/07 07:03 PM, Altarus wrote: LOL, atheists receive such poor representation on the Internet. Yes, there are a LOT of whiney, immature atheists on the Internet, but not all atheists are intolerant assholes. You just hear mostly from the ones that are.

Altarus, thanks. :o It goes the same way for religious people in this day and age.

I don't know what kind of representation agnostics like me are getting though. Is that ironic?

Why do you guys act as though religious interpretation is like being on a team? Everyone just be whatever religion you want, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Shinto....just as long as the majority is Christian ;)

At 6/25/07 07:25 PM, SyntheticTacos wrote:

At 6/25/07 07:03 PM, Altarus wrote: LOL, atheists receive such poor representation on the Internet. Yes, there are a LOT of whiney, immature atheists on the Internet, but not all atheists are intolerant assholes. You just hear mostly from the ones that are.

Altarus, thanks. :o It goes the same way for religious people in this day and age.

I don't know what kind of representation agnostics like me are getting though. Is that ironic?

Usually agnostics are getting about the same as what you give out, mainly being reasonable. Agnostics either try and balance out the argument or just ignore the argument altogether. Despite myself being an atheist, I do tend to respect agnostics more than most other atheists, mainly because I also don't give a shit about what people believe in unless it imposes itself on me.

Sounds like someone else is whining. I like the little bit about "when was the last time you saw an atheist donate to the poor or help the homeless?"

That is certainly not true, plenty of atheists/non religious folks donate to the disadvantaged, including myself.

At 6/25/07 08:37 PM, AdamRice wrote: Sounds like someone else is whining. I like the little bit about "when was the last time you saw an atheist donate to the poor or help the homeless?"

That is certainly not true, plenty of atheists/non religious folks donate to the disadvantaged, including myself.

Ugh, I have a hard time not donating to the homeless. I try my best not to look them in the eyes when I go to San Francisco, because otherwise I'll end up spending all my money helping the homeless and will be unable to go home.

You don't need religion to feel compassion for those less fortunate than you, you just need the ability to "walk in other peoples' shoes", as the old cliche goes. And that can either be because you've been down that route, know someone who's been down that route, or are just very perceptive of human psychology and how various things can effect people.

atheists have the potential to be very pious depending on how they're atheism originated. i asume there are a few of them who have probably chosen to reject the idea of god by thinking it out.

I hope people are vestile not because of god fearing but because of fear of corruption.

I think this whole Athiest vs religion shit started not with all the wars started by religion in shit, but rather when people were stupid enough to give their lack of beleif a name.

This is from my own point of view regardless of quotes.

From what I know of Christianity the “philosophy” has led me to believe that it is better to direct my hatred at God and not my fellow man, yet “RELIGION” the proclaimed fallowing of the philosophy of a deity, has launched many wars and killed many people.
the separation of church and state gave us the political system that also has launched many wars and killed many people.
Religious people do not believe in God, they believe in Religion - patriots do not believe in their country they believe in Patriotism .
the Quest of any true spiritual philosophy is to find the fundamental truth regardless of the pain or inconvenience that it may cause the individual seeking.
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel: Samuel Johnson
Religion prevents people from having there own spiritual experience. (i believe that quote is from Nietzsche).
No one can come to me unless the Father beckons.
If You meet the Buddha along the road Kill, Him.
opinions are like assholes, everybody has one :Clint Eastwood.
Science is a faith, democracy is a faith, religion is a faith, and even atheism is a faith.
that what Humans put their convictions into.
If you can not see it in your heart than it is not so.
making up some emotions and guarding them against opinions does not make something so, the truth can only come to an individual, not forced on by another opinion.
Sister Wendy Becket said in an interview with Bill Moyers, “I have no faith because I have never doubted”.
the most spiritually inspiring quote I ever heard was on the comedy roast for Hugh Hefner by Dick Gregory, “Fear and God do not occupy the same space,”.
What ever you want to call it
God, Zeus, Buddha, Zardoz, Science Religion, Patriotism Atheism.
it is all the same thing - an Ideal created to help search for the truth, but corrupted to protect the lies created to guard against our deepest fears.

At 6/25/07 10:21 PM, Phantom-pen wrote: blah blahdy blah blah blah

Preach on brother!

At 6/25/07 06:11 AM, Makaio wrote: Blind hollow existence?

I would tend to agree.

Blind for seeing through the indoctrination of our parents and being able to take in all the science behind the world to form our own opinions?

Either you have assumed that 1. ALL people with the slightest faith have been indoctrinated by parents, or 2. your parents tried to indoctrinate you.
If 1, would this not require a certain level of omniscience, considering the billions of people that have faith? And if so, you are no better than those people of faith because you are the same and hypocritical at the same time.
If 2, far more likely is that the parents were doing little more than instructing. Yet you remain blind not because of their instruction, that is just an excuse set up and proposed by you to make you look like some sort of hero for not believing in it.
As far as 'taking in all the science' goes, if you haven't noticed, Creation science is flourishing in our society. Answers in Genesis' Creation museum just opened. You seem to have overlooked the fact that you are NOT taking in ALL science and forming your opinion, you are merely being 'indoctrinated' by someone else.

Hollow and meaningless because we've come to realize its better to live life for life itself, to be good to better your life and the lives of others instead of being good in fear of divine punishment, the realization that life is precious and rare so we should live the life we have according to our rules and morals, not those of falsified "prophets", madmen and criminals.

Hollow and meaningless to live life for itself? That is the definition of hollow and meaningless.
Ha, the last part of this paragraph about motivations of peoples actions.... whenever an atheist says this it always makes me laugh.
First of all, motivations are always hidden. The acts a person committs is an outward sign of an inward pulse. Motivations being inward then, it is impossible to tell what a persons true motivations are. I don't know about you, but most people have enough trouble deciphering their own heart, but then again you do have omniscience so I guess you can know...
Psalm 44:21
"Shall not God search this out? for he knoweth the secrets of the heart."

In my opinion there are 4 types of people, the ignorant, the mislead, the weak minded and atheists.

In my humble opinion, those could all be synomous terms.
There are only two kinds of people: those who are saved, and those are not.

...and those who can't do math.

At 6/25/07 10:28 PM, afliXion wrote:

Hollow and meaningless to live life for itself? That is the definition of hollow and meaningless.

Living life for itself is probably not the best term here. I would describe it as creating our own meanings for life rather than folowing the meaning set by someone else. I would prefer to do good deeds because I feel that they are nessesary, and will improve the world, rather than because someone else is telling me they are the right thing to do.

All Atheists, however, should recognize that religion does help some people, and while many religions preach things that many Atheists dislike, they also produce things we do like, like help for the homeless, allowing people to put their lives back on track, and even giving a reason to live for people who find it scary to have to create their own meaning for living.

And dude, remember the golden rule: Do onto others as you would have done onto you. Do you really want people to attack your religion the way you attacked Atheism?

At 6/25/07 10:25 PM, ForkRobotik wrote:

Preach on brother!

I prefer to see it not so much as preaching, but a mind numbingly dull discourse on Modern philosophy by a boring teacher.

At 6/25/07 10:46 PM, AAraven wrote:

At 6/25/07 10:28 PM, afliXion wrote:

Hollow and meaningless to live life for itself? That is the definition of hollow and meaningless.

Living life for itself is probably not the best term here. I would describe it as creating our own meanings for life rather than folowing the meaning set by someone else. I would prefer to do good deeds because I feel that they are nessesary, and will improve the world, rather than because someone else is telling me they are the right thing to do.

Sounds all well and good, but think about what you are saying.
You are doing whatever you want just because someone didn't tell you to do it.
If atheists are so introspective as they claim, then they should be able to see the good in any commandment, no matter who said it before.

And dude, remember the golden rule: Do onto others as you would have done onto you. Do you really want people to attack your religion the way you attacked Atheism?

What? Dude, we were just having a healthy debate about religion! You think i attacked him??
That statement left me completely baffled as I didn't fathom someone could be that weak.
Oh and, if you haven't noticed, people do attack Christianity on a daily basis. And as long as you are quoting verses to me, quote this one:
Mat. 5 11-12
"Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad..."

is it just me or does AfliXion appear only with AAraven?

To all those that this post pissed off: Your own medication is bitter is it not? This post was in line with many of the posts by people that have not religion around here attacking others for having a belief system. I used the same wide brush to paint my picture that they did. I dont really care about what you personally believe or do not believe that lies with you. Though I dont need to agree with your thoughts on life. I wouldnt call you stupid for your convictions even if I inwardly think you are. The whole point of this post was to show how foolish you can be and well it did a good job of that considering most of you called me christian when I said I was not and have the pagan club in my sig.

First off to sum up the fact of religions, beliefs, and those who don't and do believe in God I would like some of you to read the thoughts and explainations of those who believe in the Big Bang Theory, The Bible, and Darwin's Theory of Evolution. It's a Myspace topic, but even though it is Myspace please take consideration of it. Now then the remarks made in the topic are those of teenagers of Blue Ridge High School. (If the link doesn't work, I'm sorry about that and will try another way to get you to that page).

Blue Ridge High School is a High School (duh) in South Carolina within the Bible Belt. Even though it's in the South (those of you who stereotype the South) there are people who think differently of Religion and what it stands for.

I will probably get the following responses from some or most of you...to save you the trouble of typing I'll label them out for you.

-Who cares about your School?
-Teh South are dumb
-You SUCK! SHUT THE F*** UP!
-Myspace EVIL!
-Myspace SUCKS!
-Who is this n00b?
-Bible freak
-You and your rednecks can go <insert insult here>.

If I've left out anything then it's because I can't think about anymore of them.

Link Text

Now then there are basically three types of Atheists.

1. The Accepting Atheists
I have an Atheist friend like this. The accepting Atheists are those who accept the fact that they do not believe in God or the Bible and go on with their lives. They don't believe in any type of matter of how we got here, they just live life. These Atheists do not bother Christians or go on and on saying that Christianity or God doesn't exist and they don't try forever to disprove it.

2. The Hypocrite Atheists
These are the Atheists who go on and on to try to disprove that God exists. They try so hard to take God out of EVERY SINGLE thing in the world. These Atheists will not shut up until they get what they want. It's amazing that these Atheists who don't believe in God try so hard to make it look like he doesn't exist. They Are Hypocrites!

3. The Theory Atheist
This Atheist bases their whole religion around the "Big Bang Theory" and "Darwin's Theory of Evolution. These are not religions (even though in today's world anything can be a religion) they are theories of SCIENCE! People are all about Science over faith which are what these Atheists are.

That's basically my views on Atheists. If I can find the video of one scientist who proved that God exists with scientific information then I will post it here.

HAVE A NICE DAY!
:D

At 6/26/07 04:52 AM, The-Great-One wrote: blahblahblah atheists blah.

Way to stereotype atheists. All people are different.

That's basically my views on Atheists. If I can find the video of one scientist who proved that God exists with scientific information then I will post it here.

No one ever proved that the christian or some other god exists, because if that was the case, the debate would be over and we'd all fall in line.

HAVE A NICE DAY!

D

You too.

At 6/26/07 04:10 AM, TigerDemon wrote: I wouldnt call you stupid for your convictions even if I inwardly think you are.

You are no better than all the athiests you have gone out your way to try make a tit of.

I remember being issued with "The Athiest Test". I believe it stated along the lines of

"Agnostics are foolish because they can look at a building and not be sure if it had a builder"
"Athiests are foolish because they make a definite statement "there is no god" when they can not prove this.

The problem for me lies in that I have my own personal beliefs and opinions. I dont go out of my way to preach how I am right and others are wrong. Yet organised religions determine me as a sinnner and various other derogatory terms and tell me that I am wrong for not agreeing with them. As a result I have come to resent them to an extent.

Im guessing you have been at the brunt of athiests telling you that your views are wrong which has built into your resentments.

I never trust the narrow minded.

At 6/26/07 07:45 AM, DingoTheDog wrote:

At 6/26/07 04:10 AM, TigerDemon wrote: I wouldnt call you stupid for your convictions even if I inwardly think you are.

You are no better than all the athiests you have gone out your way to try make a tit of.

How so? I am not going to tell you that your beliefs are wrong becuase guess what I cant prove shit when it comes to the divine. However there are some beliefs out there that do sound pretty damn foolish. For example the whole pastafarian (yes I know its made up but then again I think most if not all religions are made up by man to connect with the divine.) deal sounds fucking insane. However I cant prove that its wrong so I cant make fun of them, even if inwardly I am always going to find in foolish. Savy?

At 6/25/07 10:28 PM, afliXion wrote:

Blind hollow existence?

I would tend to agree.

Why? Personally I’m very fulfilled in my life. I’ve done and continue to do many charitable works in my community, and I have several close friend. My eyes and mind are always open, and I welcome change and challenge. What in my life seams hollow or blind? Or do you simply agree because of stereotypes?

As far as 'taking in all the science' goes, if you haven't noticed, Creation science is flourishing in our society. Answers in Genesis' Creation museum just opened. You seem to have overlooked the fact that you are NOT taking in ALL science and forming your opinion, you are merely being 'indoctrinated' by someone else.

The only place creation “science” is flourishing is in the minds of the plebs, and even there it seams to be dwindling, all be it slowly. While the bible may be a book of morals it isn’t a book of science and shouldn’t be treated as such.

Hollow and meaningless to live life for itself? That is the definition of hollow and meaningless.

Hollow:
Without substance or character
Devoid of truth or validity

Which of these are displayed by his argument? I see nether, as I know nothing of his life.

Ha, the last part of this paragraph about motivations of peoples actions.... whenever an atheist says this it always makes me laugh.
First of all, motivations are always hidden. The acts a person committs is an outward sign of an inward pulse. Motivations being inward then, it is impossible to tell what a persons true motivations are. I don't know about you, but most people have enough trouble deciphering their own heart, but then again you do have omniscience so I guess you can know...

Psalm 44:21
"Shall not God search this out? for he knoweth the secrets of the heart."

Why use bible quote against someone who obviously questions the very tome you’re quoting? It doesn’t back up your argument at all and if anything reduces it as you only show one fundamental reference point.

In my humble opinion, those could all be synomous terms.
There are only two kinds of people: those who are saved, and those are not.

Many, even in the world of Christianity would disagree with you. Though in all fairness I think Makaio over stepped a bit here.

...and those who can't do math.

What are you implying here? That you don’t truly believe that there are only two types of people, or simply leaving an opening through which to retreat if the need arises?

At 6/25/07 11:27 PM, afliXion wrote:

You are doing whatever you want just because someone didn't tell you to do it.

To be a truly good person, one should be capable of doing good works with out being told too, or forced too. In fact it is in our very nature to be good to each other (at lest to a degree).

If atheists are so introspective as they claim, then they should be able to see the good in any commandment, no matter who said it before.

How can one see goodness where good doesn’t exist? If you mean reason, then yes most atheist who have read the history of the time period and the nature of it can see the reasoning behind the various commandments, but they’re not always good?

And dude, remember the golden rule: Do onto others as you would have done onto you. Do you really want people to attack your religion the way you attacked Atheism?

What? Dude, we were just having a healthy debate about religion! You think i attacked him??
That statement left me completely baffled as I didn't fathom someone could be that weak.
Oh and, if you haven't noticed, people do attack Christianity on a daily basis. And as long as you are quoting verses to me, quote this one:

People attack atheism daily, people attack Islam daily, it seams that all religious philosophies are attacked in some way daily. Why should Christianity be any different, why should it get special treatment? Especially given that many initial (though again not all) attacks come from zealous Christians?

Mat. 5 11-12
"Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad..."

Personally I like Psalms 137:9
"Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones."