faith and thoughts

[stafffighter]

I already posted this in the general section with a slightly diffrent name. Someone suggested I put it here. I admit to be repeating myself. So no clever posts about that.
Both religion and philosophy were made to be guidelines,systems of ideas that someone could think about and figure how they applied to their life. And thustly they could be used by individuals to make life better. Both are also ruined by "believers" who quote what something says and refuse to put any thought behind it, because its just the truth. They deny the very nature of these things by refusing to apply free will. The only diffrence in these two is that is that quoting philosophy is more likly to make you sound smart and get you laid.
Im not compairing them to jokes. But I think everyones heard a good joke be completely ruined by someone who doesn't understand it trying to repeat it.
Becomeing a religion is the worst thing that could happen to an idea.

[stafffighter]

Ok, I just found out I could get banned for putting this in both places. This was a dumbass move on my part. I don't particulrly want to be banned but if its the price to pay for what I've done then I have no room to complain.

[mysecondstar]

At 6/8/03 04:54 AM, stafffighter wrote: Becomeing a religion is the worst thing that could happen to an idea.

Buddhism is the worst thing to happen to the ideals and teachings of Buddha. he himself said not to make a deity. following the teachings of Buddha is a great way to live ones life. he is also a better man than any of us can possibly imagine. and we should all reach the same kind of enlightenment he did.

as for faith and religion it gives people hope. and one should never deny any man hope because it may be the only thing they have. man always strives for purpose. and faith gives man a purpose whether it be to reach the gates of Heaven or Nirvana. now to understand why man strives for purpose is a question for the ages. to understand this is to reach a higher plain of enlightenment. i don't believe any man can truely understand why. is it fear? or is it hope again? it is the next thing to impossible to know.

[Slizor]

apply free will.

Prove Free Will. You can't, can you? Welcome to philosophy.

[bumcheekcity]

At 6/8/03 08:19 AM, Slizor wrote:

apply free will.

Prove Free Will. You can't, can you? Welcome to philosophy.

What the hell is it with you and philosophy?

[Commander-K25]

At 6/8/03 05:03 PM, bumcheekycity wrote: What the hell is it with you and philosophy?

Well, it makes him sound smart and increases his chances of getting laid. ;-)

At 6/8/03 04:54 AM, stafffighter wrote: Becomeing a religion is the worst thing that could happen to an idea.

I agree, but I think theistic religions are the most dangerous, especially monotheism. Blind faith in one god isn't exactly philosophical.

[mikehrt]

Religion is a belief system that allows you explain the unexplainable. Philosophy is a set of ideas that people have come with through debate which explains the human condition. They are not rooted the same way.
Religion is not about free will, it is about faith. If you have a religion being a believer is a good thing and would not cause you 'ruin' it. It would allow you to find piece in knowing that the universe is ordered.

Now as far as philosophy goes, you should study the teachings of you chosen philosopher and make up your own philosophy. This is especially important of followers of Nietsche, because if your not careful you just might decided that you can't possibly be a good person and that the only to try is to be unhappy. Which of course is retarded.

At 6/8/03 05:03 PM, bumcheekycity wrote:

At 6/8/03 08:19 AM, Slizor wrote:

apply free will.

Prove Free Will. You can't, can you? Welcome to philosophy.

What the hell is it with you and philosophy?

Philosophy is a good read that's been spoiled IMHO. Interesting stuff but somehow, the search for Absolute Truth™ is a waste of time.

Oh well.

[Alejandro1]

At 6/8/03 07:44 PM, nailbomb wrote: I agree, but I think theistic religions are the most dangerous, especially monotheism. Blind faith in one god isn't exactly philosophical.

I don't believe that the religions themselves are bad, I think it's just the churches. As stated earlier, religion is just a guideline, nothing more; you should be able to interpret this guideline in which ever way you'd like to live your life. The worst is when someone else interprets the religion for you, telling you whats right or wrong because they think you can't make your own decision.

[stafffighter]

this is for that mike guy who I didn't pay the respect to look back at the name of. You said that following religion is a good thing and about having faith the world is ordered, that sounds exactly like the lack of thought. And would you want to follow a god who wanted you to be a robot towards his will? If the god that has been depicted to me is in any way accurate hes supposed to be loving and compationate, accepting of who an individual is. And I will personally scream at anyone who misses my point and jumps down my throat for saying he.
As for reading the teachings of my chosen philosopher, I don't have one, I learn things from places in my life and if they make sence, cool, I'll use them to improve myself and my world. I do not follow anyone. You seem to me like someone whos very good at seeing but very bad at comprehending.

[House-Of-Leaves]

Okay, without making any direct quotes.

Faith and philosophy are strange bedfellows. They defy each other, yet they make for interesting conversation.

Faith needs no philosophy. If I have faith in Christ, that's all I need. No amount of philosohpy is going to change that if my faith is strong enough. I've come to the decision (not too recently) that arguing my faith is useless. It comes down to this:

If it helps me, if it makes me happy, and hurts no one else? Why should I have to justify it to anyone else, and why should I have to defend it with philosophy? I also don't understand why so many people get angry when others say they're Christian/Muslim/Buddhist/whatever, regardless of if it's a monotheistic or polytheistic belief.

The one philosophical question that I'm always asked is: "How can you believe in something you can't prove? Can you prove to me there's a God?"

My answer: "It gives me comfort. Can you prove to me there's not?"

Politics and philosophy go hand in hand. Political views often stem from one's philosophy on how things SHOULD be.

[bumcheekcity]

At 6/8/03 05:59 PM, Commander-K25 wrote:

At 6/8/03 05:03 PM, bumcheekycity wrote: What the hell is it with you and philosophy?

Well, it makes him sound smart and increases his chances of getting laid. ;-)

Oh yer. That'll get you a bird. Maybe if I do some REALLY hard maths then I'll get in an Orgy...

[stafffighter]

SO far the only people who have and anyhthing negative to say here been have been basically saying, "LA LA LA, I believe in christ, I can't hear you, there is a god, god loves me like daddy."
People taking personal confedence and security in something that has nothing to do with them themselves is just wrong. That plus it goes on to show my point that these people are actually running away from thinking for themselves and at heart even existing as individuals. They need some outside love so badly that they turn to some mythical father figure and give themselves a big, warm family. I don't support this at all.
Loving someone and seeking comfort from them are both very good things, but they shouldn't become things you mindlessly depend on and need. No healthy realationship can come from that.