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At 6/26/07 08:31 AM, SyntheticTacos wrote:

To be fair extremist leftists piss me off too, but we have more of a problem with the extreme right-wing in this country. The rest of the world is where we see more of the nutty leftists, but here it's more often guys like Rush Limbaugh than Vladimir Lenin.

No, here it's more often guys like Michael Moore and a couple of teenage idiots who seem to think the government set up 9/11.

Astounding that people like that are actually ACCEPTABLE in society.

Republicans and Democrats both equally suck (I mean the politicians, not the voters) This is why I chose to have balanced views. I realize that nobody can always be right or wrong, and they both have some good points. If more people would realize that, then this government would be much more competent and much more functional when both parties have their share of power and respect eachothers opinions.

At 6/26/07 12:16 PM, Memorize wrote:
No, here it's more often guys like Michael Moore and a couple of teenage idiots who seem to think the government set up 9/11.

The Loose Change kids?

Astounding that people like that are actually ACCEPTABLE in society.

You're just as big of a conspiracy theorist as them. You called leftists "simmilar to Satan" (I doubt I'll get over that). You apparantly think Michael Moore is a con-man who is out to get America. And you think the Fox "news" network is A OK. I'm amazed YOU are accepted in society.

At 6/26/07 08:31 AM, SyntheticTacos wrote: He's probably referring to stem-cell research, something that Republicans traditionally oppose more than democrats. He's pretty right on that one.

Proteas knows, thats what the reference for umbilical cords was : / Criticize his argument like, say, on the grounds that umbilical cords do not have the right kind of stem cells that researchers want, dont talk down to him if you dont even understand what he is saying.

They still need to have enough people in support of conviction to make an impeachment worthwhile and I think less would be in support than you might think.

I think you are wrong

People are so goddamned stupid. This country is so goddamned stupid.

The people of Iran specifically are usually a lot more forward thinking and now many see through the government rhetoric; Americans aren't all like Dick Cheney, so don't say all Iranians are like Ali Khomenei.

Yeah? I cry bullshit. Lets see a link for this little fantasy land assesment.

The rest of the world is where we see more of the nutty leftists, but here it's more often guys like Rush Limbaugh than Vladimir Lenin.

For all of Rush Limbaughs quirks, he has no blood on his hands. Lenin, however, shit. I do need to do the math, do it yourself.

Demicrats rule bush is a fuckface and he can go fuck cheny

Demacrats RULE!!!!111!!!!!!!!!!

Heh, I love it. Republicans are so wrong.

At 6/26/07 12:16 PM, Memorize wrote:

No, here it's more often guys like Michael Moore and a couple of teenage idiots who seem to think the government set up 9/11.

Astounding that people like that are actually ACCEPTABLE in society.

Yeah, because some fat moron who says bad stuff about the government and some computer geek who thinks he solved a conspiracy are somehow more dangerous than..... Combat 18?

At 6/26/07 06:22 PM, emmytee wrote:

Yeah, because some fat moron who says bad stuff about the government and some computer geek who thinks he solved a conspiracy are somehow more dangerous than..... Combat 18?

Eh... sure?

Anyway, I was just comparing the nuts from one and the nuts on the other. Not the dangerous nuts.

At 6/23/07 01:33 AM, TheSovereign wrote: You have to believe in this shit or something like that.

- The only people who deserve proper health care are the ones who can afford it.

- Text books should be replaced with bibles.

- You can't trust a woman with a choice but you can trust her with a child.

- The war on terror is a holy war.

- You support the impediment of medical advances.

- Gays don't deserve human rights.

- You admit Bush fails as a president, but you defend him at all costs.

- Illegal immigrants from Mexico trying to make money are evil and want to take over America.

- Canadians are immoral and should be considered enemies of America.

- Europe is an evil communist dictatorship.

- Global Warming is a vast conspirasy made up by leftists so they can take over America.

- All Muslims are evil doers hell bent on the destruction of America.

- All the problems in America are the fault of leftists, especially the Democrats.

Very good Billy, I'm SO glad to see you understand just what being an elephant is all about. Now class, Take out your book titled "The Truths about America" and turn to the start of the chapter titled, 'Why Mormons are hellbound heretics and how they're conspirating with democrats to overtook America'. Jane, can you read?.

Anyways... meh, pretty much more or less right. Although NOT every republican thinks this way, and some just declare themselves Republican because they like the economic ideas or are just too damn lazy to pay taxes. Although for people with conservative or 'traditional' values the Republican party is their haven and staging ground, "Conserve the old way of life, and p.s. by traditional we mean Christian American Moral Values, what FOF likes".

And almost everyone else.... independent, something small (Like the Green party), or the Democrats, which are the other side of the fence. It's called a culture war, and because of the Christian majority, many of them 'traditional and conservative', we've got these dumbass republicans campaigning for things that probably aren't so good.

All in all, here's my summarry.

Republicanism = Self Centered (Everything someone is technically self centered, but this is more so on the surface)

Democratism = Sorta Self Centered (Cares more about the average shmuck and how well they do.... a.k.a. supporting immigration and public health care benefits, easily accessible contraception etc.)

And THAT my friends... is my view on this subject.

Now.... let's talk about something that's NOT posted on Newgrounds 10 times a day...

At 6/26/07 08:31 AM, SyntheticTacos wrote:

At 6/23/07 01:27 PM, Proteas wrote: Fuck it, I won't take this lying down.

At 6/23/07 01:33 AM, TheSovereign wrote: - The only people who deserve proper health care are the ones who can afford it.

And why not? I'm amazed the healthcare industry is able to survive AT ALL in countries where socialized health care is the norm, seems like somebody is loosing money on that venture.

I'm not gonna make a big deal about this one but the reason places like Scandinavia can afford it is because they're tax rates are so high. This is balanced out by increased government aid, however. Not a case for either side but just a fact. You know what, though, I do believe one of a country's main responsibilities is to make sure its people aren't dying out from disease but we're certainly not a third world nation either and I don't think we should necessarily be paying for people's face lifts either.

My thoughts exactly!.

- Text books should be replaced with bibles.

As opposed to... what? The typical democrat's view that any viewpoint that differs from their own should be squashed on sight for fear that it might warp their brain? A little bit of hypocracy, don't you think?

There are a lot of Christian democrats, mind you, some of them just have the sense not to try and indoctrinate the kids at schools who aren't Christian with Christian theology as well as the kids who are already being indoctrinated each Sunday as well. Public schools are a government-funded institution. We believe in the doctrine of separation of church and state. Therefore government-funded institutions cannot teach religious theories. At the very least we believe in freedom of (and FROM) religion, and trying to teach peoples' kids to believe in a different religion does seem a bit of a breach of that. We have theology courses in colleges in a reason; don't you think the teachers' own personal bias would get in the way during K-12? (U.S.A. pre-college education system, just FYI for you non-Americans out there)

Eh, Democrats are a fair amount more open minded then republicans, although technically no one is really 'open minded' in that abstract sense of the word. So I'll put it to you this way. They believe people should more rights, they believe people who believe people shouldn't have more rights are wrong. But I think that in this case, the Democratic 'closed mindedness' is better for the general populace.

P.S. I think teaching YOUR OWN kid religion is wrong, well... you know, FORCING them to accept it, go to church etc. I like the Unitarian approach, take 'em to Chruch, teach them about this and that, THEN let them decide on their own.

- You can't trust a woman with a choice but you can trust her with a child.

I don't trust a woman with either of them, quiet frankly.

So is that chauvinism or just a joke? :)

I think it's Androcentrism. The much less seen competitor to Feminism.

- The war on terror is a holy war.

Uhm, let me see... "Kill the infidel" and by "infidel" they mean "Christians or anyone that disagrees with their secular viewpoint." Yep, sounds like a holy war to me.

I think the implication Sovereign is trying to make is that it's a sort of second Crusade, which i hope it never devolves into.

Well, a LOT of the people (Not most, maybe not even a majority, but a significant amount), Support this War on religious grounds, and a lot are racist towards Middle Eastern's as well, (Watch Borat, especially the Rodeo scene, real footage, real racist crowds).

- You support the impediment of medical advances.

No we don't. Hell, we're throwing umbilical cords at you by the pound most of the time.

He's probably referring to stem-cell research, something that Republicans traditionally oppose more than democrats. He's pretty right on that one.

Not sure about 'throwing' umbilical cords, but I have my problems with abortion, and stem cells But to me my stance is to simply let the person decide on their own. THEY'RE the ones being forced to make these decisions, I'm not. So I'll leave it up to them what they want to do.

- Gays don't deserve human rights.

Human Rights =/= Marriage rights. There's a difference.

Ah, but if certain Republican congressmen had their way they'd be losing all their other civil rights too. Believe what you want of marriage but to me it's pretty wrong to discriminate there on base of gender.

Same here, discriminating due to sexual orientation and preference is a bit selfish and uncaring towards the others wishes. THEY want to have the gay sex, they're not forcing YOU to, however public declarations of homosexuality kind of tick me off, yet again, for heterosexual public affection it's looked down upon (At least in schools), and while I have no problem with it on some levels, I think society would need to made a LOT less stigmatized socially about sex and about nudity and about kids seeing nudity (Yes, I'm a child rights acitivist) before that would really happen and make these 'pride parades' unneeded. They're only aiming for social acceptance mostly anyways (Aside from being a minor place to hook up for some anal or scissor sex... but whatever).

- You admit Bush fails as a president, but you defend him at all costs.

Compared to the largely democrat controlled congress that has been HIGHLY INEFECTUAL since it took control 6 months ago? They have the power to kick Bush out of office and bring our troops home today if they wanted to, and what have they done so far?

Because merely having a majority of a few more people gives you complete and total control over the Congress. Sure they have the Speaker of the House, but when the Republicans had control they didn't manage to make gay marriage illegal or provide the death penalty for medical marijuana or whatever it is they want to do. ;) They still need to have enough people in support of conviction to make an impeachment worthwhile and I think less would be in support than you might think.

Yes, the runner up is Dick Cheney, we get rid of him, it's Pelosi, don't know how good she'd be.
And in that runner-up mix is condoleeza rice (shivers), ANOTHER shitty republican.

- All Muslims are evil doers hell bent on the destruction of America.

Well aren't we "The Great Satan" to them?

No, we are "The Great Satan" to the GOVERNMENTS of Saudi Arabia and Iran and the like, not all the people. The people of Iran specifically are usually a lot more forward thinking and now many see through the government rhetoric; Americans aren't all like Dick Cheney, so don't say all Iranians are like Ali Khomenei. After all, with all the trouble we have changing our government democratically you KNOW the people aren't the ones deciding the oppresssive policies put in place in the totalitarian governments in the Middle East.

Yep, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc. = Aristocracy/Theocracy with citizens who probably significantly think OTHERWISE. Although the brainwashing of Kids born in those countries might eventually make things change.

- All the problems in America are the fault of leftists, especially the Democrats.

I don't see why not, all you do is sit around and bitch about the problems without ever offering up solutions. Case in point; this topic.

Yes, they never offer solutions, which must be why the Democrats offer stuff like time tables and new policies and are congressmen and stuff. :D I may not be a Democrat but I sure know that Republicans don't do much better, though I doubt they do better at all.

They don't, Democrats would probably be better, but not nearly perfect. Here's a quote.
"Democrats might be incompetent, but Republicans are truly evil", not exactly true in my opinion, but makes a point.

At 6/26/07 06:56 PM, notld224 wrote:

And THAT my friends... is my view on this subject.

Your view is worth about as much as a child predator.

What?

At 6/26/07 07:55 PM, Memorize wrote:

Your view is worth about as much as a child predator.

Your view is woth as about as much as a ball of dung.

Simple. You insult someone, I insult you. (Cue him PMing me and calling me names.)

At 6/26/07 09:08 PM, SlithVampir wrote: Your view is woth as about as much as a ball of dung.

For some African tribes thats worth a lot.

Simple. You insult someone, I insult you. (Cue him PMing me and calling me names.)

Boy that sounds lame :P

At 6/26/07 09:08 PM, SlithVampir wrote:

Simple. You insult someone, I insult you. (Cue him PMing me and calling me names.)

I only insult those who have the intelligence of a rodent.

At 6/26/07 09:38 PM, Memorize wrote: I only insult those who have the intelligence of a rodent.

AKA: Those who have an opinion different from mine.

At 6/26/07 09:38 PM, Memorize wrote:
I only insult those who have the intelligence of a rodent.

You must spend hours in front of the mirror. Until It cracks.

At 6/23/07 08:47 PM, emmytee wrote:

At 6/23/07 01:33 AM, TheSovereign wrote: - The only people who deserve proper health care are the ones who can afford it.

And why not? I'm amazed the healthcare industry is able to survive AT ALL in countries where socialized health care is the norm, seems like somebody is loosing money on that venture.

The right to live should not be something that only the rich can afford. Its not an industry or a 'venture' and it should not be considered as such. Countries with socialized healthcare have socialized healthcare so people pay for it themselves, with taxes.

No, socialized healthcare means that people pay for other people's healthcare.

- Text books should be replaced with bibles.

As opposed to... what? The typical democrat's view that any viewpoint that differs from their own should be squashed on sight for fear that it might warp their brain? A little bit of hypocracy, don't you think?

Are you drunk? Suggesting that by teaching from textbooks rather than prayer books its somehow oppressing people? You really think that it would be fair and balanced to just read the bible to kids and say "ok, thats all there is to it". Probably the most ironic use of the word "hypocrisy" I've ever seen...

The Bible teaches moral values, as well as some very accurate historical information, as does the Koran and the Torah.

- You can't trust a woman with a choice but you can trust her with a child.

I don't trust a woman with either of them, quiet frankly.

You're drunk. Or this is like the retarded little brother or something.

So a woman has the right to get drunk, have sex, and then kill as many unborn babies as she wants to, and we should just let her do that? There's something called moral fiber, maybe you should get some yourself.

- The war on terror is a holy war.

Uhm, let me see... "Kill the infidel" and by "infidel" they mean "Christians or anyone that disagrees with their secular viewpoint." Yep, sounds like a holy war to me.

Oh nice, intelligent comeback, pity its completely unrelated to the point he was clearly making about how some people veiw the Iraq war as a crusade (in teh name of Christianity, if you really need it spelled out)

So? The terrorists seem to view it the same way in the name of Islam. Why can't we see it in the name of Christianity if we so choose?

- You support the impediment of medical advances.

No we don't. Hell, we're throwing umbilical cords at you by the pound most of the time.

Source?

thats what I thought

http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9810/20/cord.blood/

- Gays don't deserve human rights.

Human Rights =/= Marriage rights. There's a difference.

Equality is a human right, I think you can guess where I'm going with this

Since when is it a human right to get married? The gays seem to be just fine with civil unions.

- You admit Bush fails as a president, but you defend him at all costs.

Compared to the largely democrat controlled congress that has been HIGHLY INEFECTUAL since it took control 6 months ago? They have the power to kick Bush out of office and bring our troops home today if they wanted to, and what have they done so far?

OH NO!!! HIGHLY INEFECTUAL!?!?! IN BLOCK CAPITALS NOT BACKED UP BY ANY EXAMPLES?!?

Could you supply some examples that they HAVE (I CAN WRITE IN CAPS TOO!) done anything?

- Illegal immigrants from Mexico trying to make money are evil and want to take over America.

*cough*

Yup, maybe in their next next meeting they'll plan how to steal the presidency

Uhh...protesting against laws that they don't even follow, killing our civilians and then having the audacity to not even care and to blame us for their wrongdoings sounds pretty bad to me.

- Canadians are immoral and should be considered enemies of America.

... where the hell did you hear this one?

nah, that ones right lol

Agreed. Those damn Cunucks charge too much for their maple syrup.....but it is sooo good...

- Europe is an evil communist dictatorship.

That's been a longstanding American view of Europe, regardless of party line.

Well democrats tend to be more educated [ so less of them are morons, y'dig? ] , hence less democrats think that. Much less.

HAHA!!! Good one!

- Global Warming is a vast conspirasy made up by leftists so they can take over America.

Yeah, you only want us to sign the Kyoto treaty and thereby send us into an economic downturn in order to meet said requirements of treaty. No conspiracy there.

Holy shit, you think 'the left' are some sorta great satan that communicate through telepathy? you must be drunk...even still you're a fucking moron. It MUST be a different person.

We don't "think" anything.

- All Muslims are evil doers hell bent on the destruction of America.

Well aren't we "The Great Satan" to them?

No, I know Muslims and they are represented by Bin Laden as much as Christians are represented by Fred Phelps picketing a soldiers funeral.

I gotta agree with you here emmy.

At 6/28/07 02:16 PM, Gwarfan wrote:

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We don't "think" anything.

That sums it up.

At 6/27/07 08:17 AM, SlithVampir wrote:

You must spend hours in front of the mirror. Until It cracks.

Yes I do, god damnit!

At 6/26/07 09:08 PM, SlithVampir wrote: Simple. You insult someone, I insult you. (Cue him PMing me and calling me names.)

Ahh I thought he only did that for me :(

I feel dirty Memorize, you been cheating on me?

At 6/26/07 02:25 PM, Demosthenez wrote:

At 6/26/07 08:31 AM, SyntheticTacos wrote: He's probably referring to stem-cell research, something that Republicans traditionally oppose more than democrats. He's pretty right on that one.

Proteas knows, thats what the reference for umbilical cords was : / Criticize his argument like, say, on the grounds that umbilical cords do not have the right kind of stem cells that researchers want, dont talk down to him if you dont even understand what he is saying.

Sorry.

They still need to have enough people in support of conviction to make an impeachment worthwhile and I think less would be in support than you might think.

I think you are wrong

People are so goddamned stupid. This country is so goddamned stupid.

When I said people I was referring to representatives in the House, not the general population; sorry, I should have clarified that.

The people of Iran specifically are usually a lot more forward thinking and now many see through the government rhetoric; Americans aren't all like Dick Cheney, so don't say all Iranians are like Ali Khomenei.

Yeah? I cry bullshit. Lets see a link for this little fantasy land assesment.

It's much more of a fantasy-land assessment to say that all the people in a country automatically support what their leaders say. Provide me a link that supports your stereotype before you ask me to disprove it. That's like if you said "all blacks are lazy, they need to get a job", then I reply "That's not true; that's a stereotype", and then you say "Oh yeah? Prove it!". Prove your initial stereotype before you ask me to prove my retort.

I remember I saw part of a program on PBS that dealt with Iran that followed individual Iranians and showed that they are not like their representatives in the government, but I can't remember the name. :( But I've looked a bit and I've found some examples of resistance against the Iranian regime.

July 1999 Student Protests

Well, nevermind, Wikipedia lists a number of examples (though I know you might say "well wikipedia isn't trustworthy I'm pretty sure we all know that it's not like the July 1999 protests never happened): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_
Iran#Current_Situation

Anyways, it's not fair to say that because the government holds wacky positions that the people also hold them; after all, Iran isn't even a democratic state. If the politicians aren't even elected by the people how can you say that their views even come close to representing that of the public? After all, this is the U.S.A. and the politicians do not always represent what we all believe; certainly not our President. So when Ahmedinejad says some nutty extremist Islamist thing it would be more wise to regard it as being representative of what the people of Iran think in the same sense that George Bush's own views are that of all Americans. Which they most certainly are not. Except that I doubt that even less Iranians are as nutty as Ahmedinejad than there still people who follow Bush. I sure do hope so, anyways.

If you need any evidence that Iran does not democratically represent its people's views, you don't have to look very far; the Freedom House Freedom in the World index rates it Not Free, giving it 6 out of 7 (7 being the least free) on both Civil Rights and Political Rights; and Reporters without Borders ranks it 162 out of 168 countries on press freedom. So when you look at an Iranian newspaper you're not exactly seeing the voice of the people.

The rest of the world is where we see more of the nutty leftists, but here it's more often guys like Rush Limbaugh than Vladimir Lenin.

For all of Rush Limbaughs quirks, he has no blood on his hands. Lenin, however, shit. I do need to do the math, do it yourself.

I was referring to them in terms of political mindsets, not the individual actions of the people; perhaps I should have said whoever writes for Counterpunch instead of Lenin. :\

At 6/29/07 04:29 PM, Demosthenez wrote:

At 6/26/07 09:08 PM, SlithVampir wrote: Simple. You insult someone, I insult you. (Cue him PMing me and calling me names.)

Ahh I thought he only did that for me :(

I feel dirty Memorize, you been cheating on me?

!!! He's been doing it to both of you, too!? I thought what we had was special, Memorize!