How to be a good Republican!

[TheSovereign]

You have to believe in this shit or something like that.

- The only people who deserve proper health care are the ones who can afford it.

- Text books should be replaced with bibles.

- You can't trust a woman with a choice but you can trust her with a child.

- The war on terror is a holy war.

- You support the impediment of medical advances.

- Gays don't deserve human rights.

- You admit Bush fails as a president, but you defend him at all costs.

- Illegal immigrants from Mexico trying to make money are evil and want to take over America.

- Canadians are immoral and should be considered enemies of America.

- Europe is an evil communist dictatorship.

- Global Warming is a vast conspirasy made up by leftists so they can take over America.

- All Muslims are evil doers hell bent on the destruction of America.

- All the problems in America are the fault of leftists, especially the Democrats.

[dodo-man-1]

Ya see, this is why I'm a Democrat.

[The-evil-bucket]

Well, the ending ones there were totally inaccurate. Since when did Republicans annouce that Europe was Communist?

I'm saying that, and I'm a hardcore Democrat.

[Twiligh]

Democrats accept everyone. Even if we dont agree with them.

[animehater]

Wasn't there already a thread like this?

[Proteas]

At 6/23/07 12:21 PM, animehater wrote: Wasn't there already a thread like this?

Yes, and it was made of FAIL and stale beer farts. This one seems to be put together a little bit better, as apposed to being just reactionary bullshit...

[Proteas]

Fuck it, I won't take this lying down.

At 6/23/07 01:33 AM, TheSovereign wrote: - The only people who deserve proper health care are the ones who can afford it.

And why not? I'm amazed the healthcare industry is able to survive AT ALL in countries where socialized health care is the norm, seems like somebody is loosing money on that venture.

- Text books should be replaced with bibles.

As opposed to... what? The typical democrat's view that any viewpoint that differs from their own should be squashed on sight for fear that it might warp their brain? A little bit of hypocracy, don't you think?

- You can't trust a woman with a choice but you can trust her with a child.

I don't trust a woman with either of them, quiet frankly.

- The war on terror is a holy war.

Uhm, let me see... "Kill the infidel" and by "infidel" they mean "Christians or anyone that disagrees with their secular viewpoint." Yep, sounds like a holy war to me.

- You support the impediment of medical advances.

No we don't. Hell, we're throwing umbilical cords at you by the pound most of the time.

- Gays don't deserve human rights.

Human Rights =/= Marriage rights. There's a difference.

- You admit Bush fails as a president, but you defend him at all costs.

Compared to the largely democrat controlled congress that has been HIGHLY INEFECTUAL since it took control 6 months ago? They have the power to kick Bush out of office and bring our troops home today if they wanted to, and what have they done so far?

- Illegal immigrants from Mexico trying to make money are evil and want to take over America.

*cough*

- Canadians are immoral and should be considered enemies of America.

... where the hell did you hear this one?

- Europe is an evil communist dictatorship.

That's been a longstanding American view of Europe, regardless of party line.

- Global Warming is a vast conspirasy made up by leftists so they can take over America.

Yeah, you only want us to sign the Kyoto treaty and thereby send us into an economic downturn in order to meet said requirements of treaty. No conspiracy there.

- All Muslims are evil doers hell bent on the destruction of America.

Well aren't we "The Great Satan" to them?

- All the problems in America are the fault of leftists, especially the Democrats.

I don't see why not, all you do is sit around and bitch about the problems without ever offering up solutions. Case in point; this topic.

[Me-Patch]

At 6/23/07 09:36 AM, Twiligh wrote: Democrats accept everyone. Even if we dont agree with them.

Yep, democrats are good and republicans are bad, and thinking is evil.

[JakeHero]

How to be a good TheSovereign.

Alittle satirical rebuttal.

- Post rarely on the Poli Section in order to avoid the amount of hatred you'd receive, comparable to Truth's and Dre-man's.

- Pretend to care about America, but really don't since you're just a smelly, little pinko.

- Give the DNC a blowjob and ask for seconds.

- Post angst-stricken bullshit on the general forum and kick it up a notch whenever you post on the Poli Section.

- Have a sexual fantasy involving James Carville and Al Franken.

- Come off as anti-religious as possible, whilst ousting yourself as Ecyclopedia Dramatica's textbook example of an atheist.

- Fail at life.

- Be hated by your own mom.

- Make stupidass topics thinking that you touched on something that been posted two times previous.

- Play DDR and D&Ds.

- Have your cholesterol exceed four digits.

- Be this guy.

- Beat off to furry porn all day.

- Be responsible for the WTC incident on 9/11.

[TheSovereign]

At 6/23/07 03:51 PM, JakeHero wrote: How to be a good TheSovereign.

Me= Political forum troll.

How long did it take you to realize this?

Besides, I'm being the sterotypical and easy-to-flame Democrat that you guys love! No harm no foul!

[SlithVampir]

Wow. For a minute I thought JakeHero could have an actual debate. Guess I was wrong.

[LordJaric]

This is why I'm a independent. I listen to all sides not just one, than I choose what side to take on an issue.

[SEXY-FETUS]

we've done this before. It was followed by How to be a good democrat followed by everyone bitching "HE SED DIS BUT I SED DIS AND I CAN SAY THIS CUZ YOU SED THIS AFTER I SAID THIS"

[JakeHero]

At 6/23/07 06:14 PM, TheSovereign wrote:

How to be a good TheSovereign.

Me= Political forum troll.

How long did it take you to realize this?

Besides, I'm being the sterotypical and easy-to-flame Democrat that you guys love! No harm no foul!

At 6/23/07 06:22 PM, SlithVampir wrote: Wow. For a minute I thought JakeHero could have an actual debate. Guess I was wrong.

Apparently both of you don't know the meaning of the word "satire." I kinda put a smiley on the top of my post to indicate how dead-serious I was(sarcasm).

[emmytee]

At 6/23/07 01:27 PM, Proteas wrote: Fuck it, I won't take this lying down.

At 6/23/07 01:33 AM, TheSovereign wrote: - The only people who deserve proper health care are the ones who can afford it.

And why not? I'm amazed the healthcare industry is able to survive AT ALL in countries where socialized health care is the norm, seems like somebody is loosing money on that venture.

The right to live should not be something that only the rich can afford. Its not an industry or a 'venture' and it should not be considered as such. Countries with socialized healthcare have socialized healthcare so people pay for it themselves, with taxes.

- Text books should be replaced with bibles.

As opposed to... what? The typical democrat's view that any viewpoint that differs from their own should be squashed on sight for fear that it might warp their brain? A little bit of hypocracy, don't you think?

Are you drunk? Suggesting that by teaching from textbooks rather than prayer books its somehow oppressing people? You really think that it would be fair and balanced to just read the bible to kids and say "ok, thats all there is to it". Probably the most ironic use of the word "hypocrisy" I've ever seen...

- You can't trust a woman with a choice but you can trust her with a child.

I don't trust a woman with either of them, quiet frankly.

You're drunk. Or this is like the retarded little brother or something.

- The war on terror is a holy war.

Uhm, let me see... "Kill the infidel" and by "infidel" they mean "Christians or anyone that disagrees with their secular viewpoint." Yep, sounds like a holy war to me.

Oh nice, intelligent comeback, pity its completely unrelated to the point he was clearly making about how some people veiw the Iraq war as a crusade (in teh name of Christianity, if you really need it spelled out)

- You support the impediment of medical advances.

No we don't. Hell, we're throwing umbilical cords at you by the pound most of the time.

Source?

thats what I thought

- Gays don't deserve human rights.

Human Rights =/= Marriage rights. There's a difference.

Equality is a human right, I think you can guess where I'm going with this

- You admit Bush fails as a president, but you defend him at all costs.

Compared to the largely democrat controlled congress that has been HIGHLY INEFECTUAL since it took control 6 months ago? They have the power to kick Bush out of office and bring our troops home today if they wanted to, and what have they done so far?

OH NO!!! HIGHLY INEFECTUAL!?!?! IN BLOCK CAPITALS NOT BACKED UP BY ANY EXAMPLES?!?

- Illegal immigrants from Mexico trying to make money are evil and want to take over America.

*cough*

Yup, maybe in their next next meeting they'll plan how to steal the presidency

- Canadians are immoral and should be considered enemies of America.

... where the hell did you hear this one?

nah, that ones right lol

- Europe is an evil communist dictatorship.

That's been a longstanding American view of Europe, regardless of party line.

Well democrats tend to be more educated [ so less of them are morons, y'dig? ] , hence less democrats think that. Much less.

- Global Warming is a vast conspirasy made up by leftists so they can take over America.

Yeah, you only want us to sign the Kyoto treaty and thereby send us into an economic downturn in order to meet said requirements of treaty. No conspiracy there.

Holy shit, you think 'the left' are some sorta great satan that communicate through telepathy? you must be drunk...even still you're a fucking moron. It MUST be a different person.

- All Muslims are evil doers hell bent on the destruction of America.

Well aren't we "The Great Satan" to them?

No, I know Muslims and they are represented by Bin Laden as much as Christians are represented by Fred Phelps picketing a soldiers funeral.

- All the problems in America are the fault of leftists, especially the Democrats.

I don't see why not, all you do is sit around and bitch about the problems without ever offering up solutions. Case in point; this topic.

Problem : Global warming Solution : Kyoto Protocol

In fact, I fucking defy you to find one issue that the left and the democrats have NOT offered up a solution to.

[Memorize]

At 6/23/07 08:47 PM, emmytee wrote:

The right to live should not be something that only the rich can afford. Its not an industry or a 'venture' and it should not be considered as such. Countries with socialized healthcare have socialized healthcare so people pay for it themselves, with taxes.

Do you like mandatory car insurance?
How does it feel knowing you have to pay an extra $200 a month for someone else?

Besides. They are living. Just in a poorer state. =)

Probably the most ironic use of the word "hypocrisy" I've ever seen...

No.

This is ironic.

- You can't trust a woman with a choice but you can trust her with a child.

I don't trust a woman with either of them, quiet frankly.

Oh nice, intelligent comeback, pity its completely unrelated to the point he was clearly making about how some people veiw the Iraq war as a crusade (in teh name of Christianity, if you really need it spelled out)

Why did he then say "jihad"?

Wow, never knew christians called it that.

Equality is a human right, I think you can guess where I'm going with this

And if you want true equality, then those who rape and murder should be treated equally. Translation: They should be put through the same either physical or psychological trauma as they put their victims in.

But, we're better than that right? But then would that be equality?

Dun dun duuuuun.

OH NO!!! HIGHLY INEFECTUAL!?!?! IN BLOCK CAPITALS NOT BACKED UP BY ANY EXAMPLES?!?

An example of them would be: Failure.

Yup, maybe in their next next meeting they'll plan how to steal the presidency

Let's also toss in how democrats think that convicted felons should be able to vote for the most powerful office in the United States.

Well democrats tend to be more educated [ so less of them are morons, y'dig? ] , hence less democrats think that. Much less.

Most historians tend to be Republicans.

What?

Holy shit, you think 'the left' are some sorta great satan that communicate through telepathy?

No, but I personally believe that "the left" are similar to Satan.

Problem : Global warming Solution : Kyoto Protocol

Problem: Man made Global Warming = Not proven.

I also like how the same people who believe in man made global warming thought we'd die from global cooling.

[SlithVampir]

At 6/23/07 09:12 PM, Memorize wrote:

taxes.

Do you like mandatory car insurance?
How does it feel knowing you have to pay an extra $200 a month for someone else?

Not having a car won't kill you. No liver......

Besides. They are living. Just in a poorer state. =)

And we're dead. In a richer state =)

No.

This is ironic.

No. It shows how retarded school uniforms are. Hatred for them unites faiths.

Why did he then say "jihad"?

Wow, never knew christians called it that.

No, Christians call it "peacekeeping operations" or "spreading democracy"

And if you want true equality, then those who rape and murder should be treated equally. Translation: They should be put through the same either physical or psychological trauma as they put their victims in.

And now you're comparing Gay people to rapists. Real nice. Those people gave up their rights. Gays.....were......BORN.

No, but I personally believe that "the left" are similar to Satan.

Nice. Very very nice. Now let the record show that Memorize called someone "simmilar to satan"

Problem : Global warming Solution : Kyoto Protocol

Problem: Man made Global Warming = Not proven.

That depends on wether or not you read.

I also like how the same people who believe in man made global warming thought we'd die from global cooling.

Hypotheically, lets just say that there was never warming in the first place and you turn out to be right. Then what, we spent money on new light bulbs, solar power, and planting trees whats so bad? Now say that we all do what you say, and I'm right. We all die. Worse consequence?

[tony4moroney]

We might have had a heated argument in my short-lived NG past but Sovereign. You're a Genius.
This is a work of art. Never knew something could be so true and funny at the same time.

[tony4moroney]

At 6/24/07 07:51 AM, SlithVampir wrote:

At 6/23/07 09:12 PM, Memorize wrote:

taxes.

Do you like mandatory car insurance?
How does it feel knowing you have to pay an extra $200 a month for someone else?

Not having a car won't kill you. No liver......

Besides. They are living. Just in a poorer state. =)

And we're dead. In a richer state =)

No.

This is ironic.

No. It shows how retarded school uniforms are. Hatred for them unites faiths.

Why did he then say "jihad"?

Wow, never knew christians called it that.

No, Christians call it "peacekeeping operations" or "spreading democracy"

And if you want true equality, then those who rape and murder should be treated equally. Translation: They should be put through the same either physical or psychological trauma as they put their victims in.

And now you're comparing Gay people to rapists. Real nice. Those people gave up their rights. Gays.....were......BORN.

No, but I personally believe that "the left" are similar to Satan.

Nice. Very very nice. Now let the record show that Memorize called someone "simmilar to satan"

Problem : Global warming Solution : Kyoto Protocol

Problem: Man made Global Warming = Not proven.

That depends on wether or not you read.

I also like how the same people who believe in man made global warming thought we'd die from global cooling.

Hypotheically, lets just say that there was never warming in the first place and you turn out to be right. Then what, we spent money on new light bulbs, solar power, and planting trees whats so bad? Now say that we all do what you say, and I'm right. We all die. Worse consequence?

We've got our examples of liberal views and conservative views. This is why the majority of college educated kids are liberal or moderately liberal while conservs are made up of racist, often somewhat sexist, high school drop-outs, old people, people who think we should be in iraq on the grounds of:

"they were responsible for 9/11" "i want revenge" "f*ck those terrorists every one of them should die [implying the entire middle-east]" "we're spreading democracy" yeah real good job. lets spread freedom down the barrel of a gun. lets give people 'freedom' by forcing them to have it.

Best case in point:
Conservatives voted for Bush
Liberals voted for Al Gore, then Kerry

Conservatives justify torture.
as memorize has said: they compare gays to murderers and believe they should be locked up. conservatives think liberals are satan's spawn.

Bush is a retarded, incompetent president whos failures cannot be summarised in a short amount of words and yet a large majority still think hes a great president.

[SlithVampir]

At 6/24/07 09:53 AM, tony4moroney wrote: and yet a large majority still think hes a great president.

Approval ratings just hit 26% (just sayin)

[Proteas]

At 6/23/07 08:47 PM, emmytee wrote: The right to live should not be something that only the rich can afford. Its not an industry or a 'venture' and it should not be considered as such. Countries with socialized healthcare have socialized healthcare so people pay for it themselves, with taxes.

Ah yes, forced to pay for the humanitarian efforts of the government. Sort of reminds of that bumper sticker we have here in the states... you know the one, "Keep working! Thousands of people on welfare depend on you!"

Probably the most ironic use of the word "hypocrisy" I've ever seen...

My point was that the average democrat preaches tolerance of other cultures and religions in the hopes of making a well rounded person, but the minute someone mentions God or holds up a Bible, you shit yourselves.

That's what I meant by hypocracy.

You're drunk. Or this is like the retarded little brother or something.

My little brother would wipe the floor with every last one of you. As for what I said, I meant that it's a sad state of affairs that people can't be trusted to take care of their own children after making the decision NOT to have an abortion.

So like I said, I don't trust women with either choice.

(in teh name of Christianity, if you really need it spelled out)

We consider the war in Iraq a holy war?

News to me.

Source?

Here you go.

Equality is a human right, I think you can guess where I'm going with this

Ah yes, the right to be just as miserable as divorce just as often straight married people are. Now that's something to fight for.

OH NO!!! HIGHLY INEFECTUAL!?!?! IN BLOCK CAPITALS NOT BACKED UP BY ANY EXAMPLES?!?

What about all the "non binding" and "symbolic" resolutions that they have attempted to pass? Why make them non-binding? Why not make them... binding?

nah, that ones right lol

No, I'm calling bullshit on this one.

Well democrats tend to be more educated [ so less of them are morons, y'dig? ] , hence less democrats think that. Much less.

Woohoo, this line of reason again. Dems are smart, Reps are dumb, argument ad hominem for all!

Problem : Global warming Solution : Kyoto Protocol

Problem: if we sign it, we go down the shitter in order to obey it, thus ensuring America's economic downfall, and a sever thumpin' to every country we do trade with.

In fact, I fucking defy you to find one issue that the left and the democrats have NOT offered up a solution to.

Oh you've offered up plenty of solutions, the problem is they usually center around making yourselves look good the republicans look bad because you have no actual platform on which to run.

[gregaaron89]

At 6/23/07 09:09 AM, dodo-man-1 wrote: Ya see, this is why I'm a Democrat.

Sigh- me too.

[emmytee]

At 6/24/07 04:31 PM, Proteas wrote: Ah yes, forced to pay for the humanitarian efforts of the government. Sort of reminds of that bumper sticker we have here in the states... you know the one, "Keep working! Thousands of people on welfare depend on you!"

Most people here support the NHS, because its just not fair that someone with a job that pays less should be left to die. I guess I just don't understand why you people can't get your head round this one. There simply are not these masses of people on welfare in the UK, and I bet there are not in America. In fact, we probably have higher numbers of people on welfare that you do. But no-one here cares, because they know that for not too much of their money, no matter what happens their society does not view them and their children as filth if they get fired.

My point was that the average democrat preaches tolerance of other cultures and religions in the hopes of making a well rounded person, but the minute someone mentions God or holds up a Bible, you shit yourselves.

Fair enough, if thats what you meant. Its not true of course, as far as I understand democrats are the ones who support freedom of worship, republicans are the ones who support teaching that science is basically a big conspiracy as a fact.

You're drunk. Or this is like the retarded little brother or something.

As for what I said, I meant that it's a sad state of affairs that people can't be trusted to take care of their own children after making the decision NOT to have an abortion.

So like I said, I don't trust women with either choice.

Yeah, maybe its only democrats that like women?

We consider the war in Iraq a holy war?

News to me.

Thats because its a sweeping generalisation, and the OP is a troll. Regardless, his point was that republicans consider the Iraq war a holy war. Its not necessarily true, but as you clearly didn't understand what he said I figured I would help you

Source?

Here you go.

So basically, you don't disapprove of umbilical chord stem cells. Nice guys, thanks for going to all the effort.

Ah yes, the right to be just as miserable as divorce just as often straight married people are. Now that's something to fight for.

So, I'm thinking you are in fact, a-sexual? And I thought the whole point was that family values and the sanctity of marriage would be corrupted by them damn queers...

What about all the "non binding" and "symbolic" resolutions that they have attempted to pass? Why make them non-binding? Why not make them... binding?

Honestly, i don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to non-specific internal american politics. My point was that SAYING SOMETHING in capital letters with no evidence doesn't make it a good argument.

Woohoo, this line of reason again. Dems are smart, Reps are dumb, argument ad hominem for all!

Woohoo, not challenging that line of reason.

Problem: if we sign it, we go down the shitter in order to obey it, thus ensuring America's economic downfall, and a sever thumpin' to every country we do trade with.

Its a solution. You don't like it, its still a solution. You said they never offer a solution, thats a solution. Same with Iraq, the solution offered is either "stay in" or "pull out" depeding on which democrat. You might not agree with it, but saying that all the left ever does is bitch is not true.

In fact, I fucking defy you to find one issue that the left and the democrats have NOT offered up a solution to.

Oh you've offered up plenty of solutions, the problem is they usually center around making yourselves look good the republicans look bad because you have no actual platform on which to run.

And the republican solution in invariably "kill it" or "throw it out".

[Proteas]

At 6/24/07 07:24 PM, emmytee wrote: I guess I just don't understand why you people can't get your head round this one.

Because here in the states, the cultural norm for the longest time was that going to the government and asking for help with your everday life was something to be ashamed of. Doing so went against everything that a hardworking American is supposed to be, and that stigma still exists in some parts of our culture. That's why you see republicans in particular railing on such a system.

It might work in your country, but here, subsisting on government cheese is no way to live.

Its not true of course, as far as I understand democrats are the ones who support freedom of worship, republicans are the ones who support teaching that science is basically a big conspiracy as a fact.

Come here around Christmas time, my friend; lawsuits and protests over Nativity Scenes are so frequent that it's almost mind boggling, nevermind all the crap that goes on during the rest of the year.

So basically, you don't disapprove of umbilical chord stem cells. Nice guys, thanks for going to all the effort.

You're welcome.

So, I'm thinking you are in fact, a-sexual?

No... I'm straight.

And I thought the whole point was that family values and the sanctity of marriage would be corrupted by them damn queers...

That is the typical replublican stance on the issue, but I don't exactly tow the party line on everything.

I don't equate marriage as being a basic human right, and I don't equate it as being a holy and devout institution either. I more view the institution of marriage as something that society takes a joke anymore, and something that only seeks to create drama in people's personal lives and a clusterfuck headache for the courts.

I understand wanting to do it for tax reasons, but beyond that... meh.

but saying that all the left ever does is bitch is not true.

Oh really now?

[tony4moroney]

At 6/24/07 10:05 AM, SlithVampir wrote:

At 6/24/07 09:53 AM, tony4moroney wrote: and yet a large majority still think hes a great president.

Approval ratings just hit 26% (just sayin)

Sorry, I mean a large Republican majority. up until 2006 he still had 70%+ of the Republican approval. He has something to the order of 60% Republican approval now. (don't ask me I don't know how this works either considering most polls show 26% overall. unless <10% of democrats disapprove and <10% of independents disapprove.)

[tony4moroney]

correction: *approve

[dySWN]

At 6/23/07 09:36 AM, Twiligh wrote: Democrats accept everyone. Even if we dont agree with them.

Lol, not really. Some of the most closed minded, most intolerant of others ideals people happen to be hardcore Dems.

[Demosthenez]

At 6/24/07 09:53 AM, tony4moroney wrote: This is why the majority of college educated kids are liberal or moderately liberal while conservs are made up of racist, often somewhat sexist, high school drop-outs, old people, people who think we should be in iraq on the grounds of:

Dude, college kids are retarded. Almost all of them. Me included.

You find me one self respecting fool who would put a tube in their mouth with a funnel on the top with beer in it, a tube that has had probably at the least dozens of mouths on it and hasnt been cleaned in weeks, and you will be a rich man. Not saying I dont bong it, shit is fun, but it is stupid. It is stupid as hell.

At 6/23/07 08:47 PM, emmytee wrote: The right to live should not be something that only the rich can afford. Its not an industry or a 'venture' and it should not be considered as such. Countries with socialized healthcare have socialized healthcare so people pay for it themselves, with taxes. "NO WAY!!!" you say!!

All the talk is fine but the fact is these programs will bankrupt the countries they are implemented in (and already are in some cases, look at Greece). And the fact is the American free market approach on health care makes nationalized health care systems possible.

Yes way. The free market we have in the United States allows that.

The Need for Research and Development. In the United States, it costs more than $500 million to develop a new drug. By reducing revenues, price controls harm innovation, essential to R&D for new, more effective drugs. Controls leave patients worse off since less R&D means fewer drug breakthroughs and new products.
Whose gonna invent the drugs if there is no money in it?

And our military spending allows other nations to have their welfare programs and subsidized living. I have a feeling this statement will be even less popular but it is true. Every allied nation to America is under its defense umbrella and really do not have to worry about their own self-defense needs because America handles that for them. It is real nice to be able to throw away those billions that would otherwise be spent on defense and place them into social programs but this is a system that will not last. It is downright irresponsible to place your countries defense in another nation, no matter how powerful. And it will prove costly some time in the future, free health care be damned,

Well democrats tend to be more educated [ so less of them are morons, y'dig? ] , hence less democrats think that. Much less.

Heh, you must have met a different crowd than me.

No, I know Muslims and they are represented by Bin Laden as much as Christians are represented by Fred Phelps picketing a soldiers funeral.

I am a friend with a kid from Saudi Arabia. Not religious one bit, the fucker is the biggest heathen I have met, drink like mad, smokes, fucks like a jackrabbit. You should hear the stories he has about Saudi Arabia, shit is nuts.

Point is, you know western Muslims. You dont know the fanatics or the people who grew up in those enviroments. So your personal experience is no form of validation or proof, whether I agree with your statement or not (I do).

Problem : Global warming Solution : Kyoto Protocol

You are joking, right? You do realize how stupidly low the standards are in the Kyoto Protocol, right?

[SyntheticTacos]

At 6/23/07 01:27 PM, Proteas wrote: Fuck it, I won't take this lying down.

At 6/23/07 01:33 AM, TheSovereign wrote: - The only people who deserve proper health care are the ones who can afford it.

And why not? I'm amazed the healthcare industry is able to survive AT ALL in countries where socialized health care is the norm, seems like somebody is loosing money on that venture.

I'm not gonna make a big deal about this one but the reason places like Scandinavia can afford it is because they're tax rates are so high. This is balanced out by increased government aid, however. Not a case for either side but just a fact. You know what, though, I do believe one of a country's main responsibilities is to make sure its people aren't dying out from disease but we're certainly not a third world nation either and I don't think we should necessarily be paying for people's face lifts either.

- Text books should be replaced with bibles.

As opposed to... what? The typical democrat's view that any viewpoint that differs from their own should be squashed on sight for fear that it might warp their brain? A little bit of hypocracy, don't you think?

There are a lot of Christian democrats, mind you, some of them just have the sense not to try and indoctrinate the kids at schools who aren't Christian with Christian theology as well as the kids who are already being indoctrinated each Sunday as well. Public schools are a government-funded institution. We believe in the doctrine of separation of church and state. Therefore government-funded institutions cannot teach religious theories. At the very least we believe in freedom of (and FROM) religion, and trying to teach peoples' kids to believe in a different religion does seem a bit of a breach of that. We have theology courses in colleges in a reason; don't you think the teachers' own personal bias would get in the way during K-12? (U.S.A. pre-college education system, just FYI for you non-Americans out there)

- You can't trust a woman with a choice but you can trust her with a child.

I don't trust a woman with either of them, quiet frankly.

So is that chauvinism or just a joke? :)

- The war on terror is a holy war.

Uhm, let me see... "Kill the infidel" and by "infidel" they mean "Christians or anyone that disagrees with their secular viewpoint." Yep, sounds like a holy war to me.

I think the implication Sovereign is trying to make is that it's a sort of second Crusade, which i hope it never devolves into.

- You support the impediment of medical advances.

No we don't. Hell, we're throwing umbilical cords at you by the pound most of the time.

He's probably referring to stem-cell research, something that Republicans traditionally oppose more than democrats. He's pretty right on that one.

- Gays don't deserve human rights.

Human Rights =/= Marriage rights. There's a difference.

Ah, but if certain Republican congressmen had their way they'd be losing all their other civil rights too. Believe what you want of marriage but to me it's pretty wrong to discriminate there on base of gender.

- You admit Bush fails as a president, but you defend him at all costs.

Compared to the largely democrat controlled congress that has been HIGHLY INEFECTUAL since it took control 6 months ago? They have the power to kick Bush out of office and bring our troops home today if they wanted to, and what have they done so far?

Because merely having a majority of a few more people gives you complete and total control over the Congress. Sure they have the Speaker of the House, but when the Republicans had control they didn't manage to make gay marriage illegal or provide the death penalty for medical marijuana or whatever it is they want to do. ;) They still need to have enough people in support of conviction to make an impeachment worthwhile and I think less would be in support than you might think.

- All Muslims are evil doers hell bent on the destruction of America.

Well aren't we "The Great Satan" to them?

No, we are "The Great Satan" to the GOVERNMENTS of Saudi Arabia and Iran and the like, not all the people. The people of Iran specifically are usually a lot more forward thinking and now many see through the government rhetoric; Americans aren't all like Dick Cheney, so don't say all Iranians are like Ali Khomenei. After all, with all the trouble we have changing our government democratically you KNOW the people aren't the ones deciding the oppresssive policies put in place in the totalitarian governments in the Middle East.

- All the problems in America are the fault of leftists, especially the Democrats.

I don't see why not, all you do is sit around and bitch about the problems without ever offering up solutions. Case in point; this topic.

Yes, they never offer solutions, which must be why the Democrats offer stuff like time tables and new policies and are congressmen and stuff. :D I may not be a Democrat but I sure know that Republicans don't do much better, though I doubt they do better at all.

To be fair extremist leftists piss me off too, but we have more of a problem with the extreme right-wing in this country. The rest of the world is where we see more of the nutty leftists, but here it's more often guys like Rush Limbaugh than Vladimir Lenin.

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is bush the antichrist?