Aggregate of Shame

[wdfcverfgtghm]

The single most powerful force created by humanity is shame.

Government should be a harness for shame and mold humanity into a close to as perfect structure as possible.

All men are annoying worthless faggots, and for three reasons : Genetic Faggotry, Traditional Faggotry, Accidental Faggotry.

All men are born with faggoty tendancies because human genetics are imperfect. No government can change this. Accidental faggotry occurs due to enviroment and various factors beyond calcuable means. No government can change this faggotry either. Traditional Faggotry is a faggotry that is learned. This is a faggotry that government can change. People learn to act like faggots from other people. A child may learn from his father that slamming a mountain dew with your angsty teen friends and yelling out of the window of your camaro at cheerleaders who rejected you is cool. This is an example of learned or traditional faggotry.

The aggregate of shame would be the least faggoty people in our society who go around and shame people into being less faggy. They would go up to the kid and his father and make fun of them until they stop driving in camaros. That would make the world that much fagless. After generations of Shame and new aggregates, society would be at it's least faggy. Traditional faggotry would be as recessive in our culture as it had ever been. This would eliminate 1/3 of human faggotry. Man would be 1/3 of it's way to it's apex.

[Commander-K25]

Begone. Back to the General Forum, for you....

[wdfcverfgtghm]

At 6/7/03 03:57 AM, Commander-K25 wrote: Begone. Back to the General Forum, for you....

Back? I posted on the Political forum regularly before you came to NG. What do you mean go back to the general forum?

[Slizor]

Back? I posted on the Political forum regularly before you came to NG. What do you mean go back to the general forum?

Then you pissed off and got all faggy :D

[wdfcverfgtghm]

At 6/7/03 09:30 AM, Slizor wrote:

Back? I posted on the Political forum regularly before you came to NG. What do you mean go back to the general forum?

Then you pissed off and got all faggy :D

Pissed off? It wasn't by choosing. Apprently the uppers didn't like me calling the fags fags, and banned me for 6 months.

[bumcheekcity]

At 6/7/03 09:33 AM, AnRkeyPenguin wrote: Pissed off? It wasn't by choosing. Apprently the uppers didn't like me calling the fags fags, and banned me for 6 months.

Nice comeback Slizor.

If they banned you for 6 months because you call gays fags then I wouldn't post a topic with the word 'faggot' repeated twenty times.

[wdfcverfgtghm]

At 6/7/03 10:58 AM, bumcheekycity wrote: If they banned you for 6 months because you call gays fags then I wouldn't post a topic with the word 'faggot' repeated twenty times.

Yeah well then, (combs back hair) That just seperates you... (flicks tooth pick) from me! (chews on methanol cigarette)

[Taxman2A]

At 6/7/03 03:56 AM, AnRkeyPenguin wrote: The single most powerful force created by humanity is shame.

I know (or at least I think) that your post wasn't intended to be serious, but still I have to argue this point which the post rested on. The most powerful force on earth is fear, without a doubt. Actually, I don't think shame is even a worthwhile force to mention. Has anything historically ever been done because of shame?

[bumcheekcity]

At 6/7/03 11:01 AM, AnRkeyPenguin wrote: Yeah well then, (combs back hair) That just seperates you... (flicks tooth pick) from me! (chews on methanol cigarette)

Wou/ldn't it be so funny if he got banned? *Motions to Ted*

[TheShrike]

I think the single most powerful force created by mankind is greed, not shame.

Everyone is greedy to some extent, but not everyone feels shame.

[Taxman2A]

At 6/7/03 08:17 PM, TheShrike wrote: I think the single most powerful force created by mankind is greed, not shame.

Everyone is greedy to some extent, but not everyone feels shame.

That's good thinking, and I would agree that all humans feel greed, and it is much more prevalent than shame. The question I would like to raise is whether or not greed is really a force "created by mankind". Doesn't the wolf fighting for dominance in the pack feel greed in seeking power? Anyone here with a fishtank has seen certain fish go out of their way to harrass others usually in an attempt for more food. Surely there is greed involved in this.

It would be easy for someone to say "With animals, they have simply evolved to act in a way that would allow them to have the most power, and most ability to mate, they arent really feeling greed". While it may be true that they have evolved to act in a selfish manner, it would also be true that humans evolved to act in a selfish manner for the same reasons.

I would find it hard to conclude any emotions that are
found only in man. Perhaps emotions like remorse and other complex emotions which require a certain memory of and comprehension of the repercussions of actions are indigenous to man alone due to intelligence... In any event, I don't believe anyone would really argue that "remorse is the most powerful man made force". Of course, we already had one speak the same way of shame.

I'm going to leave the field of abstract concepts, and return to the concrete. I think that nuclear weapons are the single most powerful truly man made force.

[Taxman2A]

At 6/7/03 06:14 PM, bumcheekycity wrote:

At 6/7/03 11:01 AM, AnRkeyPenguin wrote: Yeah well then, (combs back hair) That just seperates you... (flicks tooth pick) from me! (chews on methanol cigarette)

Wou/ldn't it be so funny if he got banned? *Motions to Ted*

I wouldn't worry too much about him being banned. He claims to be chewing on a "methanol" cigarrette. If he decides to go ahead and light that cigarrette banning will be quite unnecessary.

Shame does control man, as does any other emotion. It's what makes us human. [to some extent.]

[Taxman2A]

At 6/8/03 12:55 AM, nailbomb wrote: Shame does control man, as does any other emotion. It's what makes us human. [to some extent.]

Emotion is not a solely human concept. Therefore it cannot be what makes us human.

[Taxman2A]

At 6/8/03 01:03 AM, Taxman2A wrote:

At 6/8/03 12:55 AM, nailbomb wrote: Shame does control man, as does any other emotion. It's what makes us human. [to some extent.]

Emotion is not a solely human concept. Therefore it cannot be what makes us human.

Come to think of it, there isn't a whole lot of anything that really separates us from the animal kingdom.
We aren't the only species to use tools.
We aren't the only species to use language.
We aren't the only species to have some form of government (bees, wolves, and other species that look up to a "queen" or "leader".)
We aren't the only species to have different cultures (while this is close, there is evidence of african gorillas having different cultures with slight variances from one another).

Also, a human's DNA is over 99% similar to that of a chimp.

So what DOES make us human (in terms of humans being separated from animals)? Superior intellect? OK, that's cool, but humans are inferior to many other animals in other regards.

I suppose that humans are separate from other animals in that we have established quite an empire where in civilized countries nearly everyone should have no problem growing to adulthood. In other words, we have devoloped a grasp over our environment where we can successfully sustain ourselves without needing to evolve to compete with other species.

Of course, one look at our own history shows that all great empires eventually fall. Perhaps one day our own human empire itself will fall at the hands of our own weapons.

[bumcheekcity]

At 6/8/03 01:18 AM, Taxman2A wrote: Also, a human's DNA is over 99% similar to that of a chimp.

And 50% with a banana. More in Ted's case.

So what DOES make us human (in terms of humans being separated from animals)? Superior intellect? OK, that's cool, but humans are inferior to many other animals in other regards.

Human Intellect isn't just superior, it goes beyond the boundries of superior. Humans can understand amazingly complicated music, maths and engineering skills that other creatures cannot.

Of course, one look at our own history shows that all great empires eventually fall. Perhaps one day our own human empire itself will fall at the hands of our own weapons.

Wuite possibly. See all the millions of threads where I have said we should disarm.

[Nirvana13666]

At 6/7/03 06:14 PM, bumcheekycity wrote:

At 6/7/03 11:01 AM, AnRkeyPenguin wrote: Yeah well then, (combs back hair) That just seperates you... (flicks tooth pick) from me! (chews on methanol cigarette)

Wou/ldn't it be so funny if he got banned? *Motions to Ted*

Exactly the type of unfairness I am waiting to see...

Anyway, AnRkeyPenguin maybe you should email me...I have a few things I wanna talk about with you in private.

Shame makes feel remorse. Regret is what really makes us human. Animals don't regret or feel shame they thrive on instincts.

At 6/8/03 01:03 AM, Taxman2A wrote:

At 6/8/03 12:55 AM, nailbomb wrote: Shame does control man, as does any other emotion. It's what makes us human. [to some extent.]

Emotion is not a solely human concept. Therefore it cannot be what makes us human.

True, many animals do feel basic emotions [fear, shame, etc.] but I doubt they feel love or anything remotely complex.