Hey Hamas

[azn-vink]

Give palestine back to the fatah you fucking thief. You say that you guys represent the palestinian people, but they ain't fucking terrorist. Even some Arab country don't want you guys to control gaza. Egypt is one of them. You guy's massacred people that got political opinion contraire to you. You guy's need to blow.

Fatah > hamas

[ForcedDj]

At 6/21/07 09:16 PM, azn-vink wrote: Give palestine back to the fatah you fucking thief. You say that you guys represent the palestinian people, but they ain't fucking terrorist. Even some Arab country don't want you guys to control gaza. Egypt is one of them. You guy's massacred people that got political opinion contraire to you. You guy's need to blow.

Fatah > hamas

I think that Egypt and Fatah both think that Hamas should GTFO of Palestine. Hamas should leave because they are terrorists, and that Egypt wants them out. Besides, why would we want a group that killed people because they don't like what Hamas was doing.

[azn-vink]

Jordan is another country that support the president habbas gouvernement.

[cellardoor6]

At 6/21/07 09:22 PM, azn-vink wrote: Jordan is another country that support the president habbas gouvernement.

I think the only countries that support Hamas are Syria and Iran. Almost all countries cut off aide to the Palestinian authority when Hamas took control. The US, the EU most notably specifically told Hamas to recognize Israel and denounce terrorism in order to get aide, but they didn't, so until just recently when Abbas dissolved the Palestinian government, Hamas was only getting aide from Syria and Iran I believe.

Some other countries kept providing aide to Hamas after they were boycotted by most countries, but that was probably just in the effort to help the Palestinian people, even at the expense of most of that money going to a terrorist organization.

But yeah... Hamas needs to go. Best case scenario is that Fatah and Israel join together to kick Hamas out of power in Gaza. Maybe early elections take place in both Palestinian territories, more moderate groups like Fatah are elected, ousting the Hamas from the government.. etc.

By the way, I found it a little funny that this thread is titled "Hey Hamas"... as if a Hamas member is going to read this...

[tony4moroney]

Youre forgetting. Hamas are fighting under the banner of God.

I think the rule of thumb here is if youre theocratic youre ideals are fucked. If you try to lead people to believe that youre fighting with the will of god or worst believe you are then youre seriously fucked in the head.

[pashok]

i am live in israel & i wanna 2 tell you 1 thing in israel the sityation its un good people leave in scare cuzz people in negev(south)evry time been atacked by the hamas & they kasams .
Thank good we dont feeled in ashqelon this situation!!!!.But some times we have"presents"from gazza!!!

[cellardoor6]

At 6/22/07 06:12 AM, pashok wrote: i am live in israel & i wanna 2 tell you 1 thing in israel the sityation its un good people leave in scare cuzz people in negev(south)evry time been atacked by the hamas & they kasams .

I've been to the Negev and Ashqelon. I know exactly what you're talking about. I remember hearing from people how frustrated they are that they can't use their military to its full capability against Hamas. It's ridiculous. Hamas will send rockets, and the IDF will strike back or conduct small-scale incursions to push back the militants beyond maximum range for their Kasams. But then, Hamas will call for a ceasefire under the condition that Israel stops counterattacking, but then, when the IDF withdraws in accordance with the agreements, it just gives Hamas a chance to prepare to launch more rockets against Israel.

Thank good we dont feeled in ashqelon this situation!!!!.But some times we have"presents"from gazza!!!

Well, I think Israel is going to have a lot more "presents" from Gaza now that Fatah has no power there anymore, since they were the less militant of the two major Palestinian parties. But now, the IDF will have a more justified excuse to step up attacks in Gaza to disarm Hamas. There will be nothing to restrain Hamas now that they rule Gaza, they will exploit this in order to maneuver against Israel, I just hope Israel can finish the job this time when they enter Gaza.

[tony4moroney]

At 6/22/07 06:34 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 6/22/07 06:12 AM, pashok wrote: i am live in israel & i wanna 2 tell you 1 thing in israel the sityation its un good people leave in scare cuzz people in negev(south)evry time been atacked by the hamas & they kasams .

I've been to the Negev and Ashqelon. I know exactly what you're talking about. I remember hearing from people how frustrated they are that they can't use their military to its full capability against Hamas. It's ridiculous. Hamas will send rockets, and the IDF will strike back or conduct small-scale incursions to push back the militants beyond maximum range for their Kasams. But then, Hamas will call for a ceasefire under the condition that Israel stops counterattacking, but then, when the IDF withdraws in accordance with the agreements, it just gives Hamas a chance to prepare to launch more rockets against Israel.

There's a reason Fatah were always in power over Hamas. Its because the people in Palestine don't want to wage war against Israel. Most people just want to live in peace but some zealots can't come to terms with some things.

I think this is understandable though, Israel essentially came into existence because the UN broke International Laws that they were set-up to protect and Israel practically raped Palestine of the better part of their country with the help of the US Govt.
You think the Israeli Government is innocent?

WRONG

http://web.amnesty.org/pages/isr-index-eng

Yep turns out the Israelis are commiting more haneous crimes then the Hamas after all. But we wouldn't know that because The US Govt. and Fox news essentially cover all of this information up and paint Palestine to be one badass country when in reality its a small zealous theocratic group and Israel atrocities against humanity don't help the cause to eliminate them either.

We should vote a man like Ron Paul or Barack Obama into office. Hopefully they'll change things around and make the US the shining beacon of hope it once was as opposed to being viewed as a rogue Imperialist state.

[cellardoor6]

At 6/22/07 07:14 AM, tony4moroney wrote: http://web.amnesty.org/pages/isr-index-eng
Yep turns out the Israelis are commiting more haneous crimes then the Hamas after all.

You must be on drugs. Let's just take a little look:

Palestinian gunman using child as human shield

Palestinian Children used as suicide bombers

Hamas gunmen shoot man and child and film it to blame on Israelis

Palestinians create a fake funeral, and the supposed corpse is actually alive. They fake the death of their own people for propaganda

Hamas militants use UN ambulances for attacks against Israel

Hamas media teach their children to die for Allah

Palestinian children brainwashed and taught to kill Israelis by Hamas

Hamas teach their children to hate

And I love this one: Hamas battling Israelis. Basically, Palestinian Hamas gunmen are using unarmed civilians (or the feign of being unarmed civilians) along with them as they battle Israelis. The militants are hiding behind a wall and one of the gunmen armed with an AK-47 creeps around the corner and raises his gun but is shot dead instantly by the Israelis. Then, an other militant who was just previously holding a weapon drops it then comes around the corner to pull the dead man back behind the wall and the Israelis don't shoot, yet rightfully could have.

You think Hamas would have NOT fired at an Israeli he had tried to retrieve an dead IDF member? Hmmm? Even though Hamas targets Israeli civilians and uses suicide bombers as a matter of OFFICIAL POLICY, you think they would use such decency that the Israelis use?

But we wouldn't know that because The US Govt. and Fox news essentially cover all of this information up and paint Palestine to be one badass country when in reality its a small zealous theocratic group and Israel atrocities against humanity don't help the cause to eliminate them either.

See, that in and of itself shows how stupid people like you are. You think Israel is the bad guy, even though it has the capability to completely take over Palestine, and kill every last one of them, but they don't. Hamas however has the officially stated goal of destroying Israel, and they use every thing in their power to do so. If Hamas (who wants to DESTROY the other side) had the power Israel has, there would be no such thing as Israel. If Israel had the total destruction of the other as a goal like Hamas has, then Palestine wouldn't even exist.

Meanwhile, let's take a look at the Casualty rates during the 2nd Intifada. If you see, you'll see that a much higher proportion of Israel civilians were killed compared to IDF members, and a much lower proportion of Palestinian civilians were killed compared to Palestinian militants. A higher ratio of women, young children, and elderly people were killed on the Israel side, SHOWING us that it is the Palestinian militants (mostly Hamas) that target civilians.

The ONLY reason that more civilians died on the Palestinian side overall is because A) they use them as human shields B) they intentionally endanger them by operating in civilian clothes, among civilians, using civilian infrastructure and B) The Israelis are better at protecting their own civilians, making the comparison lopsided, but the RATES are night and day.

Hamas is the bad guy, Israel is the good guy. It shows how stupid people like you are when you can actually defend people who do this:

[tony4moroney]

cellardoor let me clarify myself... fuckwit

hamas is bad
israel is also bad

resolved

[K-RadPie]

At 6/22/07 08:15 AM, tony4moroney wrote: cellardoor let me clarify myself... fuckwit

hamas is bad
israel is also bad

resolved

With no evidence for anything you just said. Wow, what a great and powerful argument that can really sway the minds of many people... fuckwit.

[tony4moroney]

“But we wouldn't know that because The US Govt. and Fox news essentially cover all of this information up and paint Palestine to be one badass country when in reality its a small zealous theocratic group and Israel atrocities against humanity don't help the cause to eliminate them either.”

“See, that in and of itself shows how stupid people like you are”.

Everything I said in there was correct. That makes me stupid? Tell me, exactly how does one become an idiot by stating correct observations?

You also constantly referenced Hamas. Which I believe are a terrorist organization. I agree with you on this. Never once did I condone their actions. As a matter of fact you’ll see in the following quotation that I clearly stated I was against them.

“There's a reason Fatah were always in power over Hamas. Its because the people in Palestine don't want to wage war against Israel. Most people just want to live in peace but some zealots can't come to terms with some things.”

I think you should learn how to read properly. Its hilarious how you call me idiotic and stupid when the reality is the point of my post, and my perspective completely eluded you despite being very clear. I suppose that would make you the idiot.

Because you insinuate that you are very intelligent perhaps then you are aware of the breaches of International Law by the Israeli Government?

http://www.amnesty.org.uk/news_details.asp?Ne wsID=17362

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-04-12 -un-envoy-israel_N.htm

http://www.jfjfp.org/factsheets/geneva4.htm

In 1995 the Israeli Prime Minister at the time was murdered by an Israeli extremist after he tried to hold peace negotiations with the Palestinians. Israel has created a heavily anti-arab view, much like Hamas has tried to create anti-israeli sentiment. War and war atrocities by both Israel and Hamas do not benefit the sentiments of the people between both countries.

http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/9511/rabin/index .html

For a country that insists it is doing good in the middle-east and for a country that holds strong alliance with the US they’re not exactly happy with civil rights. Well that is they’re not happy with giving equal rights to Palestinian residents of Israel (most of whom condemn Hamas and support the Israel Government hence why they did not migrate)

http://www.crisisgroup.org/home/index.cfm?id=
2528&l=1
And its strange how of all places to be, the Zionists insisted that they should place themselves within the middle-east by force. Which went against Jewish Beliefs. I guess maybe that’s why there are annual protests held by the International Jewish community against the Israel settlement.

So you see I wasn't trying to paint Hamas as being good. You're dead wrong. I condemn them, and every act of suicidal terrorism.
I also condemn the Israeli Government's oppression of Palestinian citizens living in Israel, their breaches of international law, the atrocities they have committed and I don't think Hamas or Israel doing themselves any favor by commiting such atrocities. What I dislike however, is the general public's perception that Israel is Good The Entirety of Palestine is evil. When we both know this is not the case. Well i do, and same as every academic as ive just cited. Youre just stupid and ignorant and can only accept one side of the story. You even tried to manipulate my last post which backfired.

I also don't believe the Israeli Government should be telling the world that they deserve a right to live there when the International Jewish Community generally believes there should be a peaceful dissemination of the state as it goes against the very scriptures that they endear.

• [The Torah] forbids us to strive for the reunion or possession of the land by any but spiritual means
Rabbi S. R. Hirsch
• Not via our desire did we leave the land of Israel, and not via our power will we come back to the land of Israel.
Rabbi S.D. Schneerson
• [Zionists] want a state in order to make Jews into heretics.
Rabbi C. Soloveichik
• The Zionists have attacked the center point of Judaism.
Rabbi V. Soloveichik

[HighlyIllogical]

Have you been?

Have you talked to storekeepers whose houses have been bombed?

Have you talked to people whose children have died in wars, bombings etc?

Have you talked to someone who lived next door to a house that was demolished by a Katyusha?

Have you ever SEEN one of the demolished houses?

I take it that you haven't.

Red Cross Ambulance "Bombing" Hoax.

[azn-vink]

At 6/22/07 08:15 AM, tony4moroney wrote: cellardoor let me clarify myself... fuckwit

hamas is bad
israel is also bad

resolved

What are you talking about? Israel is a country like any other, only surounded by hostile country.

[azn-vink]

WRONG

http://web.amnesty.org/pages/isr-index-eng

Funny fact: Does actually a country at war will follow all the rules"by the book" when the enemy is ready to every thing to win? That will be plain stupid.

[cellardoor6]

At 6/22/07 09:52 AM, tony4moroney wrote:

Everything I said in there was correct. That makes me stupid? Tell me, exactly how does one become an idiot by stating correct observations?

You didn't state correct observations, all you did is repeat propaganda with zero context and zero ACTUAL facts. Funny how you ignore the sources I provided. You can't tell the difference between the actual official policies and motivations of Israel vs. Hamas.

Because you insinuate that you are very intelligent perhaps then you are aware of the breaches of International Law by the Israeli Government?

http://www.amnesty.org.uk/news_details.asp?Ne wsID=17362

Building a wall to keep suicide bombers out... OMG that is TOTALLY equivalent to teaching your children to blow themselves up...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-04-12 -un-envoy-israel_N.htm

In a war... which Hezbollah started. Israel acted defensively and people blew the civilian casualties out of proportion, disregarding the context.

http://www.jfjfp.org/factsheets/geneva4.htm

Meaningless...

In 1995 the Israeli Prime Minister at the time was murdered by an Israeli extremist after he tried to hold peace negotiations with the Palestinians.

Um... one rogue Israeli murdered someone.

See, now you're getting a little stupid. You used one instance of the behavior of one person to condemn Israel. Never mind the OFFICIAL policy of each side. Israel recognizes Palestine, Hamas doesn't recognize Israel. Hamas has the OFFICIAL policy of targeting civilians and using children as suicide bombers, Israel has the official policy of doing everything in its power to protect its OWN CHILDREN, and in the process uses decency that is entirely foreign to their opponents.

There is no comparison.

For a country that insists it is doing good in the middle-east and for a country that holds strong alliance with the US they’re not exactly happy with civil rights.

See, this is what I find hilarious. You're comparing Israel and their non-official, isolated instances of 2nd class treatment of Arabs... to Hamas who officially has the goal of destroying the entire country of Israel...

I've been to Israel. It's a place where westerners, Arabs, Jews, and people of any religion peacefully coexist. However, if westerners or Jews venture into Hamas-controlled territory, they will either be kidnapped or shot on the spot. In the Muslim sector of Jerusalem, a Jew in orthodox clothing can buy something from an Arab vendor, shake hands, and go on their way. Such a thing could never take place in the sight of Hamas.

There is a fundamental cultural difference between Israeli society and that of their blood thirsty neighbors.

I also condemn the Israeli Government's oppression of Palestinian citizens living in Israel, their breaches of international law, the atrocities they have committed and I don't think Hamas or Israel doing themselves any favor by commiting such atrocities.

It only appears to the uninformed that Israel is committing atrocities. In actuality, Israel is only acting defensively. Due to the cowardice and the willingness of the Palestinians to endanger their own people, innocent Palestinians get caught in the chaos.

Example: Hamas goes into a civilian building and launches rockets into Israeli towns. Israelis bomb the house, a few civilians die in the adjacent (or same) building and people like you eat up the Hamas propaganda which pretends the Israelis targeted civilians, entirely disregarding the fact that the REASON the civilians died was due to the Hamas tactics.

I also don't believe the Israeli Government should be telling the world that they deserve a right to live there when the International Jewish Community generally believes there should be a peaceful dissemination of the state as it goes against the very scriptures that they endear.

Israel isn't a Jewish state, it is technically secular so whatever interpretation of Judaism that the "international Jewish community" has means absolutely nothing. Israel is a democratic, liberal country in the middle east where such a MIRACLE has never before taken place. Their goal, first and foremost, is self-preservation. They have the right to exist, and they have the right to defend themselves.

It's just sad that when Israel acts purely defensively, and civilians are killed due to the human shield tactics of Hamas/Hezbollah etc... people are too stupid to read between the lines and realize that those deaths are due to the aggressive actions of the various Islamic terrorist groups, and Israel only reacts in order to protect its people.

[The-evil-bucket]

Yep, I'm sure all the Hamas fighters are currently browsing Newgrouds and looking for support. When they see this, they'll all repent and give Gaza back to Fatah.

And Pakistan's litercy rate will jump by 800%

[uhnoesanoob]

At 6/23/07 09:57 AM, The-evil-bucket wrote: Yep, I'm sure all the Hamas fighters are currently browsing Newgrouds and looking for support. When they see this, they'll all repent and give Gaza back to Fatah.

And Pakistan's litercy rate will jump by 800%

Um, I wonder what whether or not the Hamas will respect our God Bedn.........

[azn-vink]

Yep, I'm sure all the Hamas fighters are currently browsing Newgrouds and looking for support. When they see this, they'll all repent and give Gaza back to Fatah.

And Pakistan's litercy rate will jump by 800%

Um, I wonder what whether or not the Hamas will respect our God Bedn.........

Newgrounds god is tom.

[Cheekyvincent]

At 6/21/07 09:16 PM, azn-vink wrote: Give palestine back to the fatah you fucking thief. You say that you guys represent the palestinian people, but they ain't fucking terrorist. Even some Arab country don't want you guys to control gaza. Egypt is one of them. You guy's massacred people that got political opinion contraire to you. You guy's need to blow.

=Ctrl+H_replace_fatah,hamas_andEnter + Learn to spell

well, fatah are basically doing the same thing. they might be successful against israel together

[tony4moroney]

cellardoor youre a funny man.

its obvious you enjoy staying oblivious to facts and evidence. you dont realize the irony of your consistent hypocrisies and your incredible bias. You also enjoy twisting statements and taking them out of contex. Above all your stupid. its simple. you cant even comprehend my perspective despite me clarifying it for you several times how much more clearer do i need to make myself?

people like you should exercise their right to an education sometime. you certainly enjoy practising your right to speech despite it being fundamentally flawed.

Its also funny that your immaturity constantly shows out in your posts, your obsession with inserting profanities and name-calling into your posts to express your opinion. look at this thread:

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic.php?id=71 6077

and how everybody destroyed your narrow-minded, arrogant, oblivious recognition to statistics, observations and facts. oh and btw.

Observation:
1. an act or instance of noticing or perceiving.
2. an act or instance of regarding attentively or watching.

Also there is a reason to make comparisons, as I simply stated. Atrocities are being committed by both parties. Israel isn't innocent you thinking they're saints and every action they do is godly obviously despite dozens of facts to the contrary shows youre racist and biased.

PS making a rebuttal to this comment would be pathetic. Hey about you read through my posts, brush up on your comprehension skills and learn how to write neutrally with facts or cite sources to back up your childish knowledge.

I'll give you one thing. You'd make a great Bill O'Reilly.

[Memorize]

At 6/24/07 03:32 AM, tony4moroney wrote:

its obvious you enjoy staying oblivious to facts and evidence. you dont realize the irony of your consistent hypocrisies and your incredible bias.

HOW EXCELLENT OF YOU TO REBUTTAL EVERY POINT HE MADE!!!

Oh wait... you didn't...

Holy shit, you accomplished nothing!

[cellardoor6]

At 6/23/07 05:52 PM, Cheekyvincent wrote: well, fatah are basically doing the same thing. they might be successful against israel together

Fatah is definitely not perfect, but they are incredibly moderate by comparison to Hamas. They recognize Israel, their leaders seek peace with Israel and they tend to actually abide by ceasefires and peace agreements (until these events are sabotaged by militants). We can actually work Fatah because they aren't motivated by the goal of the destruction of Israel, they aren't ruled by terrorist ideology, though they have produced some terrorists of course.

Abbas, Fatah's leader is basically the best hope for the Palestinians right now, even though Fatah has a militant wing that needs to be controlled.

At 6/24/07 03:32 AM, tony4moroney wrote: cellardoor youre a funny man.

its obvious you enjoy staying oblivious to facts and evidence. you dont realize the irony of your consistent hypocrisies and your incredible bias.

Are you mentally retarded? Every point you've made has been wrong and has been purely a product of your own opinion (which is wrong, yes, your opinion isn't just an opinion, it is just purely wrong). You haven't proved anything, in fact, you've proved that your side of the argument is pretty weak when you have to draw conclusions from sources that didn't prove anything, but were really only a pathetic attempt by you to appeal to emotion.

You keep ignoring reality, you don't reply to the actual sources that shattered your point, and now... you devote your entire post to me personally because you know you've lost the argument and need to leave the discussion with at least a shred of residual dignity.

Kthxbai

[tony4moroney]

Are you mentally retarded? Every point you've made has been wrong and has been purely a product of your own opinion (which is wrong, yes, your opinion isn't just an opinion, it is just purely wrong). You haven't proved anything, in fact, you've proved that your side of the argument is pretty weak when you have to draw conclusions from sources that didn't prove anything, but were really only a pathetic attempt by you to appeal to emotion.

Yes every point that I've made is wrong. The simple point i made was that Israel has been committing atrocities much like Hamas has. Clearly you don't get this.

You keep ignoring reality, you don't reply to the actual sources that shattered your point

I definitely ignore reality. I only cited international agencies that have reported facts and well documented research. I did reply to the sources. I simply said that you didn't get my message. You need to brush up on your comprehension skills. I never said Hamas were saints which you insinuated I did out of thin air. I even clarified in the next post several times that I condemned Hamas and any suicidal bomber. You keep insisting I did even though in every single post ive made myself clear. So now you didnt shatter my point you just continued to stay oblivious to Israel and kept talking about the atrocities of Hamas trying to illustrate how much of a saint the Zionists were.

Also, you mentioned a wall being erected. Did I ever mention any wall? Yes, the wall is a breach and it was reported in that source I cited. You know what else was in that? statistics on the murder tolls. Complaints of murders by both parties ( primarily Hamas BUT also Israeli soldiers) murdering innocent people in cold blood. Thanks for spending time reading thoroughly and concisely.

You know what I DID say in that sentence? I said that the Israeli's treated Palestinians in Israeli controlled land like second-class citizens I also cited the source which you failed to read there is well documented evidence on this if you wanted to read it up but of course you won't because you fail to realize your blatant bias and racism.

and now... you devote your entire post to me personally because you know you've lost the argument and need to leave the discussion with at least a shred of residual dignity.

I dedicated one post to you because you were the only detractor and only idiot foolish enough to misinterpret my posts in every possible way. People were against me but at the very least they accepted Israeli's were committing crimes. You still don't however despite a mountain of evidence to the contrary and insist these sources are 'irrelevant' despite them being well documented well researched by international institutions in the warzone. Of course you being in your bedroom supersedes their knowledge doesnt it? That common sense and logic, coupled with your arrogance and blindness makes you a fucking moron.

I suggest you stop replying, you've already lost the argument. Anybody with half a brain would know that. Everybody who replied to me mutually agreed to it.

[Dragon-Smaug]

At 6/24/07 03:46 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: Fatah is definitely not perfect, but they are incredibly moderate by comparison to Hamas. They recognize Israel, their leaders seek peace with Israel and they tend to actually abide by ceasefires and peace agreements (until these events are sabotaged by militants).

Moderate by comparison, maybe, but not moderate. And you can only have your second sentence possibly be true if you ignore Fatah under Arafat.

We can actually work Fatah because they aren't motivated by the goal of the destruction of Israel, they aren't ruled by terrorist ideology, though they have produced some terrorists of course.

Abbas, Fatah's leader is basically the best hope for the Palestinians right now, even though Fatah has a militant wing that needs to be controlled.

Despire how bad Fatah is, it's possible that they could do it. But Abbas is weak, and also not moderate. During the Palestinian civil war, he didn't merely say, "stop fighting Hamas", he said, "stop fighting Hamas, fight Israel instead."

Idealy, a new party would emerge that actualy wants peace and is not also a terrorist group.

But barring that, negotiating with Fatah is the only option.

Fatah has a militant wing that needs to be controlled.

Also, if Abbas cannot control this military wing, there should be no agreement.

[PuddleOfButter]

You know, Tony, I'd love to believe everything you say like its the word of God, but seeing as how almost all of your info comes from a biased website like amnesty.org it's a bit difficult to take you seriously. Maybe if you could get some info from a more reliable website, but instead of doing that I bet you'll just say that I'm blind to the truth or something.

[tony4moroney]

At 6/24/07 06:49 PM, PuddleOfButter wrote: You know, Tony, I'd love to believe everything you say like its the word of God, but seeing as how almost all of your info comes from a biased website like amnesty.org it's a bit difficult to take you seriously. Maybe if you could get some info from a more reliable website, but instead of doing that I bet you'll just say that I'm blind to the truth or something.

Amnesty wasnt the only source that i cited. Not only this but its well documented that there have been murders committed in cold blood. As 'biased' as Amnesty is I sincerely hope you cannot have a seed of doubt in your mind that causes you to negate any reports that they make. Its possible that they could potentially exaggerate the severity of circumstances but do you think they make up dozens of reports out of thin air?
Them and all the other International Institutions documenting the Israel- Palestinian Crises?

If you read my posts thoroughly youd realize the context of it. If you firmly believe that Hamas are the only group commiting atrocities and Israel are saintly then youre evidently being biased, and I'd question exactly where you get your information from, the information you haven't presented to prove Israel is void of any wrong-doing.

Its simply this. Why does the majority of the International Jewish Community constantly protest against the Israeli state and condemn its existence? Do you think they do it for fun? Or maybe even they realize the atrocities the Israeli state commit and condemn it themselves.