Pure Communism

[CrazyCory564]

Most people think of communism as more or less a dictator taking everything, keeping a lot of it, and distributing small amounts to people. But pure communism is not like that. The entire idea which communism was originally for was there would be no leader. Everyone would learn to become equals to everyone else. In today's society it could never work because there are always power-hungry bastards who would take control or it would become a total anarchy, and probably never will happen. But what does everyone think about the pure communism idea?

[TheSovereign]

No matter what, Communism always fails.

[Icyfire777]

same with capitalism
which leads to communism (if the poor people get too angry)
I like socialism
read up on it.
it's like communism except less "dictatorship"

[CrazyCory564]

I didnt ask about communism. I asked about pure communism. that is where there is no dictator, no leaders. everyone is equal no matter what.

[Nitroglys]

communism would be great. if we could take out the human element. no communist gov't got beyone the socialist/dictator phase. beacuse in true communism the need for gov't would slowly disentegrate.

[CrazyCory564]

exactly. I know it could never happen im just trying to get opinions on how people think it would be different/

[Nitroglys]

sry for the double post but i always like marx's ecomnomic theories. it gives me hope. false hope but hope. http://atheism.about.com/od/philosophyofrelig ion/a/marx.htm

o and what about the whole being a communist or a Communist. thats funny shit.

[TheloniousMONK]

You are all fools. What about sacrificing the things that make you individuals--ambition, goals, property, both intellectual and physical, and most of all your freedom to engage in relationships and partnerships voluntarily, in other words, your free will--turns you all on so much? Are you really that weak or insecure that you fear freedom?

[Nitroglys]

At 6/21/07 01:37 AM, TheloniousMONK wrote: You are all fools. What about sacrificing the things that make you individuals--ambition, goals, property, both intellectual and physical, and most of all your freedom to engage in relationships and partnerships voluntarily, in other words, your free will--turns you all on so much? Are you really that weak or insecure that you fear freedom?

fascism is merely a tool for strugling communist countries. the topic is about true communism. and in true communism everyone is working for the better of the country so all freedoms are granted.

[TheloniousMONK]

At 6/21/07 02:08 AM, Nitroglys wrote: fascism is merely a tool for strugling communist countries. the topic is about true communism. and in true communism everyone is working for the better of the country so all freedoms are granted.

Like hell. All of the freedoms I mentioned before, the very ones that make you an individual, are forfeited for the good of the collective.

[Icyfire777]

oh really.
Heres how I feel:
Some people aren't meant to be free.
People take freedom for granted ex: The freedom to Drive HUGE Trucks that chug gas and then the same people complain about gas prices. ???
Thats an oxymoron
people in Socialism (which is what I think you mean by pure communism) work together under the watch of the government to make there society a better place.

[Corky-D]

Communism is just another form of dictatorship.

First post in politics forum-

[Icyfire777]

Yep
Socialism is kind of too
except the government has less control, but control on the important resources
There's Social-Capitalism (Which is what China uses to kick everyone's butt) but I don't know much about it

[Nitroglys]

At 6/21/07 02:56 AM, TheloniousMONK wrote:

At 6/21/07 02:08 AM, Nitroglys wrote: fascism is merely a tool for strugling communist countries. the topic is about true communism. and in true communism everyone is working for the better of the country so all freedoms are granted.

Like hell. All of the freedoms I mentioned before, the very ones that make you an individual, are forfeited for the good of the collective.

i want you to look at marx's theories i posted before. no where does he ever mention fascism. The theory of communism and what has happend in a communist state before are completly different.

[K-RadPie]

People only want communism because they are afraid of hard work, afraid of freedom, and afraid of their humanity.

[Nitroglys]

At 6/21/07 12:42 PM, K-RadPie wrote: People only want communism because they are afraid of hard work, afraid of freedom, and afraid of their humanity.

No. people want communism beacuse they are tired of poverty, classes, and lack of common healthcare. I hate when people don't look at the theory of communism. Read it, it has alot of positives. Just people take advantage of it.

[CrazyCory564]

Its like traveling back in time. Theoretically its possible, very easy actually. The problem is the obstacles you can't see in a theory, such as wind resistance, ect. The same goes for communism, and the obstacle is the greed in human nature, which is why it will never work, but still an amazing idea.

[animehater]

I personally beleive that people should be rewarded for the work they do and that anyone can climb their way up through the classes.

[CrazyCory564]

Thats the belief people go by today, and thats exactly why there are a few rich people, and a whole lot more people living in the streets begging for a piece of bread.

[Nitroglys]

Sure rewarding through a classes society, sounds like capitalism to me. but in communism there is no class, there is no one living out on the streets, no one getting no care in a hospital beacuse they cant pay. It just depends on how selfish you are wether or not you would support a communist gov't.

[Elfer]

At 6/21/07 01:37 AM, TheloniousMONK wrote: You are all fools. What about sacrificing the things that make you individuals--most of all your freedom to engage in relationships and partnerships voluntarily

What.

Does nobody understand that communism is an economic policy rather than a social one?

[uhnoesanoob]

At 6/21/07 01:42 PM, Elfer wrote:

At 6/21/07 01:37 AM, TheloniousMONK wrote: You are all fools. What about sacrificing the things that make you individuals--most of all your freedom to engage in relationships and partnerships voluntarily

What.

Does nobody understand that communism is an economic policy rather than a social one?

Yes, but in the long run communism has never been just an economical policy.

[CrazyCory564]

technically its a government system because the idea also defines how the country is run and who its run by, in this case no one

[K-RadPie]

At 6/21/07 01:19 PM, Nitroglys wrote: Sure rewarding through a classes society, sounds like capitalism to me. but in communism there is no class, there is no one living out on the streets, no one getting no care in a hospital beacuse they cant pay. It just depends on how selfish you are wether or not you would support a communist gov't.

Nobody is refused healthcare because they can't pay, dumbshit. I believe people should be rewarded based on how much work they do, not the hard-working law-abiding citizen making as much money as a crack-addicted lazy ass ho.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

Communis fail so does Pure Communism YOU FAIL

[uhnoesanoob]

At 6/21/07 02:53 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: Communis fail so does Pure Communism YOU FAIL

Way to contribute to the thread, jackass.

[TheloniousMONK]

At 6/21/07 12:32 PM, Nitroglys wrote: i want you to look at marx's theories i posted before. no where does he ever mention fascism. The theory of communism and what has happend in a communist state before are completly different.

I really do not need a lesson, not from Marx and especially not from you. Nothing I have mentioned is related to anything but the economic system of Communism. Without a sense of property, you, as an individual, cease to exist. Your basic freedom to choosing who to engage in business relations with and who to build economic partnerships with is lost. Do you understand what this means? Even your own thoughts do not belong to you. If you invent something, it is not yours. It you create art, it is not yours. Your ambition and your goals are not yours. You are no longer an individual. And keep in mind, man did not leave their caves and erect skyscrapers so that the community would be bettered. Man does things for his own glory, and hispersonal ambition serves the common good. Through trading value for value mutual prosperity is achieved. These are the principles that make the economic market so powerful, so what makes you so afraid that you would want to destroy this?

At 6/21/07 01:42 PM, Elfer wrote: Does nobody understand that communism is an economic policy rather than a social one?

All of those things were meant in a purely economic and business sense. It seemed kind of obvious, actually.

[Winterwolf-89]

bullshit everyone would just find another way to act and besides, not everyone's so selfish like that

[Hashshashin]

At 6/20/07 09:12 PM, CrazyCory564 wrote: Most people think of communism as more or less a dictator taking everything, keeping a lot of it, and distributing small amounts to people. But pure communism is not like that. The entire idea which communism was originally for was there would be no leader. Everyone would learn to become equals to everyone else. In today's society it could never work because there are always power-hungry bastards who would take control or it would become a total anarchy, and probably never will happen. But what does everyone think about the pure communism idea?

It's a good idea, and the world would ultimately be a better place, but man is too selfish and power-hungry for anything even remotely similar to happen. The whole ideology behind communism is wonderful, but there will always be a ruling class and the proletariat.

[Nitroglys]

At 6/21/07 05:53 PM, TheloniousMONK wrote:

At 6/21/07 12:32 PM, Nitroglys wrote: i want you to look at marx's theories i posted before. no where does he ever mention fascism. The theory of communism and what has happend in a communist state before are completly different.

I really do not need a lesson, not from Marx and especially not from you. Nothing I have mentioned is related to anything but the economic system of Communism. Without a sense of property, you, as an individual, cease to exist. Your basic freedom to choosing who to engage in business relations with and who to build economic partnerships with is lost. Do you understand what this means? Even your own thoughts do not belong to you. If you invent something, it is not yours. It you create art, it is not yours. Your ambition and your goals are not yours. You are no longer an individual. And keep in mind, man did not leave their caves and erect skyscrapers so that the community would be bettered. Man does things for his own glory, and hispersonal ambition serves the common good. Through trading value for value mutual prosperity is achieved. These are the principles that make the economic market so powerful, so what makes you so afraid that you would want to destroy this?

Well maybe you should take a lesson before you go and embarass yourslef. sure you lose the ability to achieve, but you dont lose choice in your career you just get paid the same as everyone else. Thats the problem with people they are so worried about getting more money than people they can't just work to work. They are just so blinded by the capitalist way of life. And whos to say that your personal works of art or inventions aren't taken by the next greedier man who for his own persoanal ambition takes it and sells it. THAT is whats wrong with the capitalistic soceity. Personal ambition is stepping on the guy below you to make that extra dollar. not helping him up when hes down like in communism. The economic market is the problem. Maybe if we built skyscrapers for the better of humanity we would all be able to stay in one. Maybe there would be no one in front of the skyscraper begging for money. maybe if someone got hurt while building the skyscraper they wouldn't have to worry about some huge hospital bill. Maybe the janitor that works in the skyscraper would be able to provide for his family just as much as the CEO of the company skyscraper. Its these selfless qualites that make communism so great. maybe thats why i would be so quick for a change from homelessness, a change from giant companies controlling everything we buy and stepping on the little guy, a change for the better.

At 6/21/07 01:42 PM, Elfer wrote: Does nobody understand that communism is an economic policy rather than a social one?

All of those things were meant in a purely economic and business sense. It seemed kind of obvious, actually.