Death Penalty

[DevourerJay]

i got a simple question about this... WHAT is the big deal!? let's be clear about this, you are found guilty of lets say, murder1... you deserve to die... what's a better choice?
life in prison? WHY?! its a waste of Tax money to keep those cases in jail. now, im not saying lets kill everyone either, but if they are found guilty, with like a STACK of evidence+DNA, why not?
it saves money, they would have no chance of getting out.

[Icyfire777]

well I can tell you this:
if that happens do you know how many people will be on death row?
And also, do you know how many people/ family will complain about that because they would say their son/daughter doesn't deserve that.

I agree with you, but Im a realist

[DevourerJay]

At 6/19/07 04:12 PM, Icyfire777 wrote: if that happens do you know how many people will be on death row?

a lot, and probably 1/2 of the US prison system

And also, do you know how many people/ family will complain about that because they would say their son/daughter doesn't deserve that.

true, but like i said, if the case against them is "airtight" then why the hell not? unless the families pay for their food+board...

now there's an idea... you want a felon a live... pay for it... (im such a cheap asshole)

[CogSpin]

The death penalty is perfectly acceptable, just not when people are killed through the corruptions of man made institutions.

[Twiligh]

I say hang them high and if they are truly innocent god will let the rope snap and set them free. I also believe if there is video or three credible witnesses (For example a known drug dealer or gang member is not credible) then they should be hung within the year.

And while we are at it, make them public hangings so others will learn there is a punishment to a crime. I mean hell, the death penalty is not a real threat to many unless you are in Texas.

[Sigfrid]

At 6/19/07 04:07 PM, MissingNYC wrote: i got a simple question about this... WHAT is the big deal!? let's be clear about this, you are found guilty of lets say, murder1... you deserve to die... what's a better choice?

To administer a death penalty to a murderer requires killing them. To kill someone you need a killer, which means using an executioner to carry out the job. This means that the executioner would have to live with a murder on HIS head for the rest of HIS life.

life in prison? WHY?! its a waste of Tax money to keep those cases in jail. now, im not saying lets kill everyone either, but if they are found guilty,

The amount of money to keep prisoners alive in prison is not that much. The amount of energy and time people spend on supporting the death penalty takes much more money than just locking someone up in prison for life.

with like a STACK of evidence+DNA, why not?

This is not CSI. Everything doesn't work out like that in the end.

[5uicideX]

The death penalty was abolished in england for a semi-good reason. too many accidents have been made in the past ie. the Cray twins. what if, on the off chance, the police get it wrong, what can you say,

'o yeah about that, sorry m'am but your son was innocent'

But yes, prison is expensive, overcrowded, and in England at least dangerous people can get off WAY too soon

[KingRugger]

At 6/19/07 04:29 PM, Tal-con wrote: I find killing someone in response for killing someone, when they pose no threat anymore to society, to be immoral.

How can we really know if someone who committed premeditated murder won't do so or cause harm to others again?

I mostly agree with the topic starter's view, but i'm afraid its never as simple as that - there are and always will be doubts about supposed evidence. Hence the endless appeals whilst on Death row, none more so notable than Kenny Richey , whom in my opinion, is innocent, but thats irrelevant really...

[Migashi]

Life in prison. Depending on where you go, prison isn't all bad. And on top of that, not everyone deserves to die. Innocent people, for one, don't deserve to die. Even if they are convicted, they deserve to live life to the fullest, even in a prison. Second off, how does taking one life help the first life taken. Now, If the person is really sadistic, and has killed half a dozen people, Rid the world of his filth!

[Altarus]

At 6/19/07 07:16 PM, Sigfrid wrote: The amount of money to keep prisoners alive in prison is not that much. The amount of energy and time people spend on supporting the death penalty takes much more money than just locking someone up in prison for life.

but when you consider the lives saved by deterrence and the possible legal funds saved by prosecuting more crimes, the cost of a death sentence just might be less overall. Plus, a lot of studies that claim it costs more are greatly exagerrated and contain logical fallacies.

[emmytee]

At 6/20/07 04:38 PM, KingRugger wrote:
How can we really know if someone who committed premeditated murder won't do so or cause harm to others again?

They'll be in jail silly.

[Altarus]

At 6/20/07 06:06 PM, emmytee wrote: They'll be in jail silly.

yeah, silly him. Everyone knows that no crime is committed in jails.

[Jeriad-440]

The Death Penalty is the best thing that is part of the justice system because there to many convicts that are in prison for murder that got life in prison instead of death row

Example: that case about a year ago where a man by the name of john quiee molested and killed a nine or ten year old girl

[Tancrisism]

There is a chance that people can truly repent, and there's always the chance that people have been framed and/or were innocent but convicted. Death is just so final.

Not that I'm entirely against it, I just think it should be changed. I'd rather people that are mentally ill and kill people due to this get the death penalty than those sane. They are not capable of knowing right from wrong, yes. This is exactly why I feel uncomfortable living with them; why the fuck would you let them off free due to this?

[Icyfire777]

theres one problem with that:
If you haven't noticed lately people these days murder someone violently and in a demented way and plea for reasons of insanity.
Just for killing someone you are insane.
And I hope that guy with the "crime aren't commited in jail" was just kidding
because they do happen.

[EvilerBowser1001]

Letting the arsehole rot in prison is better than the death penalty...
The death penalty has too high a rate of error...

[Alphabit]

Death penalty actually costs more than life imprisonment.
The reason is that when someone is convicted of murder and the sentence is death... They appeal the decision over and over again; and most of these are using state-funded lawyers.

Also, there have been cases where people have been wrongfully convicted and the truth was discovered shortly after their death.

[fahrenheit]

1. it costs more to kill someone than to keep them in prison forever
2. since when did we live in medieval europe?

[Altarus]

At 6/21/07 01:39 AM, fahrenheit wrote: 1. it costs more to kill someone than to keep them in prison forever

but when you consider the lives saved by deterrence and the possible legal funds saved by prosecuting more crimes, the cost of a death sentence just might be less overall. Plus, a lot of studies that claim it costs more are greatly exagerrated and contain logical fallacies.

[Icyfire777]

I really find it hard to believe that it cost more to kill people than to keep them in jail for life.
sure appealing cost money but heres the thing:
prisons are getting over crowded which means that taxes are going to get raised to build a new one and once that gets filled...etc

It cost more money to make prisons obviously.
And I really don't think lawyers charges the state millions of dollors

[test-object]

Death penalty?

Where do you cross the line?
If the person asked to help him commit suicide, how do you prove it?
That's the deal.

I once told this and I'll say it again, judging blows.

[gijfef]

The death penalty is stupid. All this you take a life you loose yours eye for an eye crap can end up with civilisation tearing itself apart. I dont believe that any country can call themselves civilesed if they have the death penalty.
Also, juries are less likely to convict somebody if the evidence is not 100% but who is guilty if they know the death penalty is enforced. And did not jesus teach us to forgive?
Also, does it make you just as bad as the killer if you kill him/her? And there is a strong argument that the death penalty does not deter people from commiting a crime.
Let them rot in prison i say and have what they did on their mind for the rest of their life.

[freddorfman]

At 6/19/07 04:07 PM, MissingNYC wrote: i got a simple question about this... WHAT is the big deal!? let's be clear about this, you are found guilty of lets say, murder1... you deserve to die... what's a better choice?
life in prison? WHY?! its a waste of Tax money to keep those cases in jail.

this guy is so right and i also think we could save money by just taking the guy into a dark toom and shootin him in the head with a .38 it would save money

[dodo-man-1]

If someone is a murderer, they should be put in prison for life. If they break out, somehow, and kill someone else... THEN kill them.

[TheBasics]

Lets say I murdered some people, if I was tried and found guilty I would ask for the death penalty because life in prison doesn't seem appealing. There would be too much regret about life that I could have had, no women, and constant guilt about my deeds. Easier to just get it over with and die. (preferably by gas chamber)

[jwags1]

You do know that it also costs a lot of money to kill someone right?

[TheBasics]

At 6/22/07 01:04 PM, jwags1 wrote: You do know that it also costs a lot of money to kill someone right?

Not as much as keeping them in jail for life.

[Elfer]

At 6/19/07 04:15 PM, MissingNYC wrote: true, but like i said, if the case against them is "airtight" then why the hell not? unless the families pay for their food+board...

now there's an idea... you want a felon a live... pay for it... (im such a cheap asshole)

There's not enough truly airtight cases to justify the cost of building and maintaining execution facilities.

I can think of maybe one case here in Canada where the case was actually airtight, and that would be Paul Bernardo, since he did lots of illegal stuff on video tape. Of course, it's not as though he's ever getting out of prison.

[HighlyIllogical]

There is no such thing as an airtight execution -- you can't kill someone as punishment, IMHO

And as Elfer said, there's really no justification to spend all this money on executions.

[Korriken]

airtight execution is simple, attach a weight to the condemned and drop him/her into a deep pool pf water, retrieve 1 hour later. guaranteed death. of course hanging works VERY well also, only problem is when their head pops off... but it kills them anyway.

Personally I believe death should be used on more people. repeat felons? hang em. repeat rapists? hang em! child molestors? hang em!