Religon in the politics forum?

[duckiesrock]

I know religon plays a big part in world politics but why don't they make a seperate forum for it? It would be a smally used forum but I think it would be a good idea.

[Boltrig]

At 6/14/07 07:54 PM, duckiesrock wrote: I know religon plays a big part in world politics but why don't they make a seperate forum for it? It would be a smally used forum but I think it would be a good idea.

Thats the point. It would be little used. In the politics forum you still get intellegent people that have their own views on religion.

It leads to a much more varied debate

Or a flame war, eithers good.

[Twiligh]

Religion plus a lot of people equals war. Damn, I thought most Gods thought Murder was wrong.

[K-RadPie]

At 6/14/07 09:01 PM, Twiligh wrote: Religion plus a lot of people equals war. Damn, I thought most Gods thought Murder was wrong.

Not like Atheists ever mass-murdered people *COUGH*Stalin*COUGH*.

[Twiligh]

At 6/14/07 09:19 PM, K-RadPie wrote:

At 6/14/07 09:01 PM, Twiligh wrote: Religion plus a lot of people equals war. Damn, I thought most Gods thought Murder was wrong.

Not like Atheists ever mass-murdered people *COUGH*Stalin*COUGH*.

I count Atheists as there own religion. They are funny because death = nothingness

[Leap]

At 6/14/07 09:19 PM, K-RadPie wrote:

At 6/14/07 09:01 PM, Twiligh wrote: Religion plus a lot of people equals war. Damn, I thought most Gods thought Murder was wrong.

Not like Atheists ever mass-murdered people *COUGH*Stalin*COUGH*.

Nobody was ever murderd in the name of athesism. Stalin may have been an athiest but his cause was to seize and hold power for himself. His belief in god [or lack thereof] was not the issue.

Religion often gives people an excuse to commit the atrocities they do because their god "told" them to, or because they are doing it "in the name of god".

[Leap]

At 6/14/07 10:07 PM, Tal-con wrote:

At 6/14/07 09:59 PM, Leap wrote: Nobody was ever murderd in the name of athesism.

Really? No churches have been burned down because of religious differences?

Not to my knowledge. Do you have a link?

[foxboy-14]

religion and politics dont mix, because if ANY thing goes wrong, everybody blames the religious people, plus, religion is a persional choice, not a life or death choice of millions of people

[Enoll]

I laugh at an American not wanting religion in a politics fourm.

[cellardoor6]

At 6/14/07 07:54 PM, duckiesrock wrote: I know religon plays a big part in world politics but why don't they make a seperate forum for it? It would be a smally used forum but I think it would be a good idea.

You can't separate religion and politics because people have religious convictions that are influenced by their political beliefs, and political convictions that are influenced by their religious beliefs.

Probably 90% or more of what is discussed politically in the entire world has some sort of religious implication. You can't separate the two and still have a genuine debate, otherwise you'll just be ignoring reality.

At 6/15/07 01:03 AM, Enoll wrote: I laugh at an American not wanting religion in a politics fourm.

I laugh at an Australian mod who believes everything he sees about Americans in the media, who then thinks he has a good enough point of reference to make a grandiose generalization about Americans yet again.

[Cole]

Smart people come in the politics forum. People don't want to talk about religion with stupid people. Therefore, religion is in the politics forum.

[Enoll]

At 6/15/07 01:17 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: I laugh at an Australian mod who believes everything he sees about Americans in the media, who then thinks he has a good enough point of reference to make a grandiose generalization about Americans yet again.

I WANTED to belive it so badly :(
Can you blame me?

[cellardoor6]

At 6/15/07 01:32 AM, Enoll wrote:

At 6/15/07 01:17 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: I laugh at an Australian mod who believes everything he sees about Americans in the media, who then thinks he has a good enough point of reference to make a grandiose generalization about Americans yet again.

I WANTED to belive it so badly :(
Can you blame me?

I can't blame you for that. But I can question your credibility for wanting to put a negative taint on Americans as all overly religious.

Anyway, I found it funny when you said that because the Australian exchange student I had Junior year in highschool was a total Jesus Freak. Like, exceedingly religious to the point he prayed at lunch despite the fact everyone ripped on him for it.

[Enoll]

At 6/15/07 01:49 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: Anyway, I found it funny when you said that

You know, deep down, I do love you.
Mainly beacuse you prove me wrong a number of times and learning from
one's own mistakes is helpfull.

[Leap]

At 6/15/07 12:32 AM, Tal-con wrote:

At 6/14/07 10:46 PM, Leap wrote: Not to my knowledge. Do you have a link?

Uh, yeah

What the Hell do you mean "Do you have a link"? Churches are burned many times, and in case you didn't know, Hitler, Mao Ze Dung, and Stalin were all atheists.

I know that Hitler, Stalin and Mao were athiests, but it wasnt their athiesm that drove them to the mass killings etc. That was hate, that manifest itself very much like the religous crusades "they dont believe in our god, they must die" as apposed to "they are more loyal to god than to me, their great leader!" style of kidney.

[SolInvictus]

At 6/14/07 07:57 PM, Boltrig wrote:

At 6/14/07 07:54 PM, duckiesrock wrote: I know religon plays a big part in world politics but why don't they make a seperate forum for it? It would be a smally used forum but I think it would be a good idea.

Thats the point. It would be little used. In the politics forum you still get intellegent people that have their own views on religion.

It leads to a much more varied debate

Or a flame war, eithers good.

religious arguments on newgrounds are like eternal damnation:
short period enjoyement and actual mental stimulation followed by an eternity of hell.

[SolInvictus]

At 6/14/07 10:07 PM, Tal-con wrote:

At 6/14/07 09:59 PM, Leap wrote: Nobody was ever murderd in the name of athesism.

Really? No churches have been burned down because of religious differences?

religious differences and churches being burnt in the name of ateism are a tad different.

What the Hell do you mean "Do you have a link"? Churches are burned many times, and in case you didn't know, Hitler, Mao Ze Dung, and Stalin were all atheists.

for the record Hitler was an extremist Christian.

[tony4moroney]

At 6/14/07 09:19 PM, K-RadPie wrote:

At 6/14/07 09:01 PM, Twiligh wrote: Religion plus a lot of people equals war. Damn, I thought most Gods thought Murder was wrong.

Not like Atheists ever mass-murdered people *COUGH*Stalin*COUGH*.

lol nicely said
leap elaborated on the matter very well

Nobody was ever murdered in the name of atheism. Stalin may have been an atheist but his cause was to seize and hold power for himself. His belief in god [or lack thereof] was not the issue.
Religion often gives people an excuse to commit the atrocities they do because their god "told" them to, or because they are doing it "in the name of god".

rabble rabble rabble the quote explained everything let me post this NG.

[Brick-top]

At 6/14/07 09:19 PM, K-RadPie wrote:

At 6/14/07 09:01 PM, Twiligh wrote: Religion plus a lot of people equals war. Damn, I thought most Gods thought Murder was wrong.

Not like Atheists ever mass-murdered people *COUGH*Stalin*COUGH*.

Oh yeah lets play this game, *COUGH*WW2*COUGH*Queen Mary I*COUGH*King Edward*COUGH*

[tony4moroney]

At 6/15/07 01:03 AM, Enoll wrote: I laugh at an American not wanting religion in a politics forum.

LMFAO!! enough said.

[cellardoor6]

At 6/15/07 01:59 AM, Enoll wrote:

At 6/15/07 01:49 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: Anyway, I found it funny when you said that

You know, deep down, I do love you.
Mainly beacuse you prove me wrong a number of times and learning from
one's own mistakes is helpfull.

Hahaha whoa, I'm just now reading this (9 days later). You must have been drunk when you said that or were being highly sarcastic.

At 6/24/07 08:16 AM, Brick-top wrote:

At 6/14/07 09:19 PM, K-RadPie wrote:

At 6/14/07 09:01 PM, Twiligh wrote: Religion plus a lot of people equals war. Damn, I thought most Gods thought Murder was wrong.

Not like Atheists ever mass-murdered people *COUGH*Stalin*COUGH*.

Oh yeah lets play this game, *COUGH*WW2*COUGH*Queen Mary I*COUGH*King Edward*COUGH*

He didn't say that religious people don't mass murder people, he just mentioned that it's something people of any religious belief (or lack thereof) can, will, and has done.

*COUGH*Tiananmen Square*COUGH*

[tony4moroney]

At 6/15/07 12:32 AM, Tal-con wrote:

At 6/14/07 10:46 PM, Leap wrote: Not to my knowledge. Do you have a link?

Uh, yeah

What the Hell do you mean "Do you have a link"? Churches are burned many times, and in case you didn't know, Mao Ze Dung, and Stalin were all atheists.

Hitler was actually born and raised a Christian

Again, nobody was killed in the name of atheism. Stalin and Mao setup fascist regimes for their own benefit. You also can't make the argument that atheists are therefore selfish considering you'll see a whole bunch of christian capitalists and scammers.

Churchs are burned because we need religious freedom. Since when did any institution deserve the right to enforce their moral beliefs unto an entire population? Politics and Religion should never intertwine, the founding fathers of america were against this and yet a bunch of cocksmack christians decide to claim america was founded on christianity. Bafoons can't even get their history straight let alone their science http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism or their morality [insert entire history of christianity here and bible]

[cellardoor6]

At 6/24/07 08:27 AM, tony4moroney wrote: Again, nobody was killed in the name of atheism.

Yeah they have.

Stalin and Mao setup fascist regimes for their own benefit.

For the furtherance of communism which was officially atheist and which mass murdered to fulfill its purely national/ideological goals which included atheism with no God but the state as the final authority. Therefore people mass murdered in the name of atheism.

[cellardoor6]

At 6/24/07 08:34 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 6/24/07 08:27 AM, tony4moroney wrote: Again, nobody was killed in the name of atheism.

Yeah they have.

Since you love to revolve your entire argument around me I just thought I'd correct myself so you can't dedicate 7 paragraphs to the mistake.

*Yeah people have been killed in the name of atheism*

[tony4moroney]

Since you love to revolve your entire argument around me I just thought I'd correct myself so you can't dedicate 7 paragraphs to the mistake.

If you werent born to an incest family youd realize that half my posts had nothing to do with you. keep loving yourself and your saintly zionists. they can do no wrong can they?

*Yeah people have been killed in the name of atheism*

ok, maybe i was a little brash people have been killed in the name of atheism of that im sure but,
- atheists haven't abused power claiming they were sent by god.
- atheists also dont posed as men of god and raped little boys. and built million-dollar mansions for 'doing gods work'
- atheists also dont prevent the further development of science due to some conflicts of interest with morals that have no legal or factual ground.
- atheists also werent responsible for massacres due to alternating religions
- atheists dont impose moral standards unto others and force their own beliefs unto their children, they do however develop morals and ethics which is a pathetic talking point for fundamentalist christians.

People were murdered under stalin's or mao's name. they wanted no one but themselves to be worshipped. people weren't murdered for believing in a god, people were murdered in the fear that a rebellion could take place much like how christians were murdered in rome because they feared a massive uprising before they embraced it.
If i blaspheme somebody thats apparently perfect and doesnt commune or show evidence of himself existing why should I be slaughtered in honor of his name? thats a little primitive, uncivilised and illogical you see.

[TwO-FaCeD-PaRaNoID]

Religion causes might. Might causes hate. Hate causes violence.

So it is not religion itself that causes trouble, the people that gain controll because of religion are.

[Cheekyvincent]

i think there would be tonnes of flame wars, spam and people that click the post it button so their post count goes up by 1

[tony4moroney]

At 6/24/07 09:24 AM, TwO-FaCeD-PaRaNoID wrote: Religion causes might. Might causes hate. Hate causes violence.

So it is not religion itself that causes trouble, the people that gain controll because of religion are.

yeah id have to align myself with you on this one. its not necessarily religion itself that causes violence but the people that use it as a tool to get into a position of power. the problem i have though is that with religion in general, it promotes a herd-like mentality. but on the acts of violence bourne out of zeal: fundamentalism grossly outweighs secularism and agnosticism.

[TwO-FaCeD-PaRaNoID]

Yes, the herd mentallity is what causes the might, and thus the need to destroy anything different. But this is not different from, for example, populair music.
Only less violent. I listen to metal, but some people really get mad at me for listening to that, simply because it's different.

I guess it's just the nature of the proles.

[SolInvictus]

At 6/24/07 08:34 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 6/24/07 08:27 AM, tony4moroney wrote: Again, nobody was killed in the name of atheism.

Yeah they have.

now i understand Communists have killed theists because they felt religion was against the state but when have people said "grah! those people should be believing in nothing therefore they should die!"?

communism doesn't count because the killing is "for" the state.