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I found it hilarious that she had a "perforated bowel"

That means something in here ass broke here colon, and then she bled to death. I lolled.

I don't see how it was the operators fault. As said a hundred times, it was the hospitals fault regardless.

It was a emergency, the doctors should of gotten her to a room pronto!

At 6/13/07 04:15 PM, Monocrom wrote: I'd say she had a legit reason to call 911 and ask to be taken to another hospital.

But it is up to the hospital she is at to make sure she gets the treatment she needs. 911 just makes sure that the fire-fighters(I swear theres a better term)/police/ambulance comes to the person who is hurt. After that, it's up to the fire-fighters/police to deal with the situation or the ambulance crew to take the person to the nearest hospital. After that, it's up to that hospital to save the person, not 911.

Better to go vigilante style and crack some skulls.

At 6/13/07 03:48 PM, joeyjoe1 wrote: Yeah the system sucks completely.

What the hell does the system have to do with 911?

Life is cruel.
People die everyday but this is just retarded.

Heartless, I just can't go on to say anything more.

ok this is a touchy situation.

i am a 911 dispatch supervisor and i read this article. i have also listened to countless calls and seen several news stories on simuliar situations.

in this instance the way the 911 dispatcher handled the call was inapporpriate, you should never ever argue with a caller and demean them like he did. Most of the fault of this womans death falls on the hospital itself for not caring for her. secondary fault is minimal toward the dispatcher because there are rules and regulations when it comes to situations like this.

my department dispatches fire police and ems for an entire county, minus 4 cities that have thier own p.s.a.p. (public safety access point) if we had this same call it would first be transfered to the city that the hospital was in. second of she is already in a hospital there is not much a dispatcher can do about it. responsibility for transport to a secondary hospital falls on the shoulders of the hospital she is in not the 911 dispatch that she called. why isnt anyone questioning the boyfriend of the woman in the hospital, why didnt he take her to anothe racility. If you are going to blame the dispatcher and what to hang him out to dry why isnt the boyfriend of the female held to the same standard he could have transported her to another acility as well.

rules and regulations have to be followed or we fall into liability for suit. There are a lot of time that "you're damned if you do and domaned if you don't" if that dispatcher was one of my crew i would dismiss him for the night and have a review done to make sure this type of harassment did not go on.

i think the review of the hopsital is exactly what is necessary in this matter, if the hospital "fails to care" then it doesnt need to be a hospital to begin with.

Please don't let a few bad dispatchers and incidents sway you from calling 911 if you have an emergency... we are there to help you to the best of our ability.

to reply to an earlier comment about calling the police dept instead of 911 for an emergency.. in my county you probably would get my dispatchers anyway and we would send someone out. If you called the hospital directly they would refer you to my department and we would send someone out to help you, thus adding more time to a time critical situation. that mistake could cost someone thier life and you could be held to the same standard of "not caring" as the dispatcher from this incident or the cheif or surgery of the hospital in question.

At 6/13/07 04:42 PM, Lost-Chances wrote:

At 6/13/07 04:15 PM, Monocrom wrote: I'd say she had a legit reason to call 911 and ask to be taken to another hospital.

But it is up to the hospital she is at to make sure she gets the treatment she needs. 911 just makes sure that the fire-fighters(I swear theres a better term)/police/ambulance comes to the person who is hurt. After that, it's up to the fire-fighters/police to deal with the situation or the ambulance crew to take the person to the nearest hospital. After that, it's up to that hospital to save the person, not 911.

It is up to 911 to help people in dire need. The operator should have moved her when he found out that the paramedics were just watching her bleed to death. Since it seems that hospital has a record of horrible treatment it the operator should have taken her more seriously.

I blame the taxpayers. MLK Hospital in LA has always been shit; yet nobody has called for it to be funded properly except for when the trauma unit closed down (ironically in this case) and everyone just wanted some money handed over.

Hey, shit happens.

It is all a bullshit conspiracy when it comes to the police.

At 6/13/07 05:00 PM, wwwyzzerdd wrote: I blame the taxpayers. MLK Hospital in LA has always been shit; yet nobody has called for it to be funded properly except for when the trauma unit closed down (ironically in this case) and everyone just wanted some money handed over.

Hey, shit happens.

Is it just me or has your sig sped up?

At 6/13/07 03:48 PM, joeyjoe1 wrote:

At 6/13/07 03:47 PM, strumpy wrote: I remember when I called 911 (cause we thought someone was breaking into my friends house) it rang for a good 20 seconds and I was put on "hold". Then they transfered me.

Yeah the system sucks completely.

Yeah dude i agree with you.

Kyle did it.

Dude seriously. Put yourself in that operator's shoes. Why would you dispatch an ambulance when the caller is SURROUNDED BY DOCTORS IN A HOSPITAL? The only 'wrong doing' I can see is not turning the call over to a supervisor when the call started going bad.

Also, the end of the article talks about the REAL guilty party - the hospital that she died in.

"Dr. Roger Peeks, the chief medical officer at the hospital, was placed on “ordered absence” Monday, the Times reported. Health officials declined to elaborate, saying it was a personnel matter. Dr. Robert Splawn, chief medical officer for the health department, was named interim chief medical officer, the newspaper said."

HMMMM.

omg.... thats just terrible... i mean how can that guy sleep at night? "This is not an emergency. Calm down." All the ppl who made her wait for so long that she died in the waiting room should be fired. I think that proves that some people just dont care. they should ALL be fired, and then replaced by REAL professionals, not just ppl who dont care and just sit there for the money.

UPDATE:

Just got done watching a CNN special on this story. It's clear from the special that outrage is exactly the sentiment that's going around.

The CNN legal analysist said that while it's unlikely that the 911 Operators involved will face criminal charges, they are likely to get sued in Civil court, and to lose their jobs. (At least there's some justice in this world).
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To: Maus-

Just wanted to comment on one thing you mentioned. I blame the 911 Operators more because, when it was clear that the hospital was doing nothing to help her and she was on the floor in pain, covered in her own blood & vomit; they could have stepped in. According to the CNN special, other people who waited in the Emergency room began calling 911 from their cellphones too.

When you have a situation like that, where several people are calling 911 from inside a hospital for the benefit of the same person, that should tell you (as an Operator) that something is way the fuck wrong with this situation.....

I'm sorry that in my initial post I made it seem as though the hospital was blameless. That wasn't my intent. But the 911 Operators were just as much to blame. Some NGers are saying, "Well, she was already in a hospital." My point is, that makes it even worse! ....... 911 Operators getting several calls for help, for 1 person, inside a hospital?! ...... That's not like a cautionary flare going up in someone's mind. That's more like a nuclear explosion!

Like how horrendously bad is a 911-based emergency that the caller and other people are begging for help to be sent FROM INSIDE A HOSPITAL..... I can't think of a more fucked up emergency.
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To: Worthless-Wisdom & H-h-h- heliopios -

Seems like my posts really pissed you guys off. Oh well, I'm a Regular on NG and I post everyday....... So deal with it. I'll smile knowing you guys get pissed, every time I post. Grow some think skin.

guys, shes was IN an hospitol - she should be contacting the HOSPITOL STAFF NOT FUCKIUNG 911!!

If she was in so much pain and distress hte HOSPITOL STAFF ARE AT FAULT NOT TO TREAT HER. The 911 operator DID THE RIGHT THING and instead of WASTING an ambulance to get her to another hospitol (that ambulance could go to a victim NOT AT A HOPSITOL). The 911 operator is not at fault, the fucking hospitol is.

At 6/13/07 04:09 PM, Lost-Chances wrote: Come the fuck on, she was in a hospital already. Thats like saying "911, I need the police, this police station is wank".

Seconded. You don't call for medical treatment while you are in a hospital. If the staff were ignoring them, she should have said something to them.

At 6/14/07 05:58 AM, Monocrom wrote: UPDATE:

Just got done watching a CNN special on this story. It's clear from the special that outrage is exactly the sentiment that's going around.

The CNN legal analysist said that while it's unlikely that the 911 Operators involved will face criminal charges, they are likely to get sued in Civil court, and to lose their jobs. (At least there's some justice in this world).

sorry about double post. And my spelling in the other post is terrible :(

Eh, i just hope that the hospital staff get in some trouble as well. Its their job to assess each patient and to make sure that everyone in the waiting room is alive. I honestly dont beleive it is the fault of hte 911 operator. They did their bit by getting her to the hospital. I dont think thats justice at all. The things those operators do for us, and when they are faced with a situation like that - i feel they made the right decision. If ANYTHING they shoulda phoned up the hospital immediately. So i guess, they did make a mistake - still i hope the hospital staff get into trouble as well.

for a second where it says "Fury after woman dies in hospital lobby." i thought it said "Furry woman dies in hospital lobby" .

At 6/13/07 06:07 PM, Hycran wrote: only one person has mentioned it being the womans fault for being an obese piece of shit. If her ass wasnt so torn up from shitting out so many chimichanga's and beer nuts this wouldnt have happeneed in the first place. Prevention people, PREVENTION.

You're back doing what you do best.

I thought you ment September 11th...

What the fuck?Oh Monocrom, you certainly are something.

At 6/14/07 05:58 AM, Monocrom wrote: UPDATE:

Just got done watching a CNN special on this story. It's clear from the special that outrage is exactly the sentiment that's going around.

The CNN legal analysist said that while it's unlikely that the 911 Operators involved will face criminal charges, they are likely to get sued in Civil court, and to lose their jobs. (At least there's some justice in this world).

Im glad they're not facing criminal charges. They shouldn't do so at all and I personally dont believe they should lose their jobs. Sure they should get a slap on the wrist for being argumentative, but thats it. I guess they have to fire them though to appease the idiotic public.

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To: Maus-

Just wanted to comment on one thing you mentioned. I blame the 911 Operators more because, when it was clear that the hospital was doing nothing to help her and she was on the floor in pain, covered in her own blood & vomit; they could have stepped in.

I like how you chose to ignore the one post in this thread where there is an actual proffesional's opinion:

if we had this same call it would first be transfered to the city that the hospital was in. second of she is already in a hospital there is not much a dispatcher can do about it. responsibility for transport to a secondary hospital falls on the shoulders of the hospital she is in not the 911 dispatch that she called.

Its clear as day, it was not the dispatchers fault.

When you have a situation like that, where several people are calling 911 from inside a hospital for the benefit of the same person, that should tell you (as an Operator) that something is way the fuck wrong with this situation.....

Like the guy said. The dispatcher is not actually allowed to do something for legal reasons: rules and regulations have to be followed or we fall into liability for suit.

I'm sorry that in my initial post I made it seem as though the hospital was blameless. That wasn't my intent. But the 911 Operators were just as much to blame. Some NGers are saying, "Well, she was already in a hospital." My point is, that makes it even worse! ....... 911 Operators getting several calls for help, for 1 person, inside a hospital?! ...... That's not like a cautionary flare going up in someone's mind. That's more like a nuclear explosion!

Like how horrendously bad is a 911-based emergency that the caller and other people are begging for help to be sent FROM INSIDE A HOSPITAL..... I can't think of a more fucked up emergency.

MY GOD, you still dont seem to get the fact that the blame lies on the fucking hospital. How dare you accuse and insult the 911 dispatcher. How fucking dare you. When you say shit like this:

At 6/13/07 03:18 PM, Monocrom wrote: The beyond heartless Operators who did nothing to help should be hanged by their toes and skinned alive, very very slowly......

I can only think you're a completely idiotic and ignorant piece of shit. How dare you wish that shit on someone who isn't to blame for the womans death. Seriously, you're an asshole.

To: Worthless-Wisdom & H-h-h- heliopios -

Seems like my posts really pissed you guys off. Oh well, I'm a Regular on NG and I post everyday....... So deal with it. I'll smile knowing you guys get pissed, every time I post.

Oh thats it. Try and recover by taking a dig at me and heliopios. My god, you're a 'regular' are you? Well that certainly makes up for your complete lack of common sense. Oh wait no it doesn't you fool.And yes, you did anger me. Ill admit it, im human and its obvious im venting in this thread. Im not ashamed. You're acting like a complete fucking moron and you need to be set straight.

Grow some think skin.

Heh, "think". This typo could not be more swell.

Practise what you motherfucking preach. Use your brain dipshit.

Job: Free Thinker

lol

At 6/14/07 09:28 AM, Pick-Axe wrote:

Job: Free Thinker

lol

Haha. Thats awesome.

Thank you so much for that.

we actually talked about this call while on duty tonight. in a room of 6 dispatchers everyone agreed that the dispatchers that argued with the callers should be repremended or suspended pending a 911 audio revision by supervisors and the director. we all also agreed that given proper information the female may have been able to be transported to another facility and again it really relies on the rules and regulations we must follow to not be sued.

my wife works at one of the other dispatch centers in my county and they have a policy that states of someone's life is at risk at the current facility they are at they can dispatch an ambulance to that hospital to transport that patient to the closest secondary hospital. the 911 dispatch director for that center actually sent out an email to all the dispatchrs in his office to let them know that they should review the s.o.g. (standard operating guideline) to see what the protocal is for that type of situation. my dispatch doesnt have an s.o.g. like that because the primary ambulance service lies within the 3 major cities that are in my county which service the outerlieing 13 smaller cities with ambulance services.

in this particular situation i can only speculate that the l.a. county dispatch doesnt have such a protocal for re- transporting a patient when care is not met. i feel the primary fault still falls on the hospital at about 90% and the dispatch takes up the rest at 10% for receiving numerious calls and not attempting to contact someone that could tell them what should have been done.

At 6/13/07 03:18 PM, Monocrom wrote: The beyond heartless Operators who did nothing to help should be hanged by their toes and skinned alive, very very slowly......

We can arrange that.

At 6/14/07 09:30 AM, Worthless-Wisdom wrote:

At 6/14/07 09:28 AM, Pick-Axe wrote:

Job: Free Thinker

lol

Haha. Thats awesome.

Thank you so much for that.

Oh, sorry, I had no idea you didn't have enough braincells to do something as simple as click on my profile. Well, at least you're well-mannered enough to show the proper gratitude to someone who helps you out......

BTW, it does my heart good to see that some kind soul decided to give a computer to one of Jerry's Kids. Now don't let that mouse slip from out of your hand. Tight grip, tight grip. Aww..... ^_^

At 6/14/07 09:19 AM, Worthless-Wisdom wrote: What the fuck?Oh Monocrom, you certainly are something.

Coming from you....... That's a freaking compliment! :)
(Yeah, I used a smiley face, hate me some more).

Im glad they're not facing criminal charges. They shouldn't do so at all and I personally dont believe they should lose their jobs. Sure they should get a slap on the wrist for being argumentative, but thats it. I guess they have to fire them though to appease the idiotic public.

Hmmm..... Okay, I get it. One of your loved ones is a 911 Operator. (I guess it's 999 in your country?)

Exactly what is idiotic about this case? Other than the fact that no one really helped this woman. Perhaps the Public is idiotic in their belief that dialing 911 during an emergency will elicit a positive response. If that's what you mean, then for once; we agree. The way I see it, heartless bastards have no business getting a paycheck under the job title of "911 Operator." Some jobs require a heart. That's one of them.

I like how you chose to ignore the one post in this thread where there is an actual professional's opinion:

(BTW, I fixed your typo).
Also, I read his post. I appreciate the fact that he took time to post in this thread. (I read every post made in every topic I start. Whether it's an intelligent post..... or one made by someone who can't express himself in written form without becoming frustrated to a ridiculous degree).

Thing is, he made a great post. I honestly had nothing I could add to it. So, I decided to leave it "as is." That way, anyone reading this thread could make up their own minds. But I could see how you got confused and thought I was ignoring it. (And no, I weasn't being sarcastic about that. But with you, I have to point that out).

Its clear as day, it was not the dispatchers fault.

Turn on the news, no one agrees with you.

MY GOD, you still dont seem to get the fact that the blame lies on the fucking hospital. How dare you accuse and insult the 911 dispatcher. How fucking dare you?

F-r-e-e-d-o-m O-f S-p-e-e-c-h. Last time I checked, they have that over at your country as well. I dare because it's bullshit that that woman died...... and because I have the balls to post my honest opinion. BTW, I'm the same way IRL too. If that still pisses you off, hey; that's your problem.

Seriously, you're an asshole.

Not really..... I just have this incredible ability to piss folks off, sometimes without even trying. It comes from my blatant honesty. I don't sugar-coat shit. Yeah, sometimes it pisses people off. For example: You. Thing is, I tell it like it is. I don't care if you don't like me. Matter of fact, hate me! Hate me now! I won't lose sleep over it. Fact is, that woman should still be alive. The 911 Operators could have done something about it, they didn't. I know my honesty genuinely pisses you off. Learn to deal with it. If you can't, don't waste your time posting in the threads I make. You'll just get in a fowl mood.

At 6/14/07 10:52 AM, Monocrom wrote: Oh, sorry, I had no idea you...

Keep trying. You're like the little engine that could. "I know I can, I know I can, I know I can"

At 6/14/07 11:26 AM, Monocrom wrote: (Yeah, I used a smiley face, hate me some more).

Will do :)

Hmmm..... Okay, I get it. One of your loved ones is a 911 Operator. (I guess it's 999 in your country?)

Not at all. I just appreciate the fact they do an incredbily stressful job. Have you ever even thought about what they might go through? The tales they might have to endure from inredibly frightened people.

Imagine having to answer a call from someone who is hiding under their bed in terror as someone sweeps through their house looking for them. The anxiety and distress in their voice as they push themselves to tell you where they live and to hold back from screaming in sheer terror.

I dont think you appreciate what these 911 operators go through. They do that job to help people. And you have the nerve to say shit like "The beyond heartless Operators who did nothing to help should be hanged by their toes and skinned alive, very very slowly......". How about looking at it from their viewpoint?

Their job is to respond to emergencies decisively and accordingly. They have to do things by the book, as there is no room for error, as errors and wasted time can mean death. And when someone is at a hospital, they have done their job by the book. That person is in the care of the medical staff at the hospital who should be fully trained to handle emergencies. The operators have done what their primary concern is, they've completed their task.

Its very easy for people to sit in front of their tvs and point fingers at these people. But you can be sure the vast majority of them wouldn't be able to cut it. I know I probably wouldn't be able to handle that kind of responsibility and stress every single day. Would you?

Exactly what is idiotic about this case? Other than the fact that no one really helped this woman. Perhaps the Public is idiotic in their belief that dialing 911 during an emergency will elicit a positive response. If that's what you mean, then for once; we agree.

Its idiotic that people are blaming the 911 operators. Thats whats idiotic about it.

The way I see it, heartless bastards have no business getting a paycheck under the job title of "911 Operator." Some jobs require a heart. That's one of them

This where that comment I made about pointing fingers comes into play. These 911 operators are human too you know. Hey wow, Imagine that. Yet you consider the ones involved to be completely heartless because they done what they thought they were supposed to do? How asinine can you be? Its amazing how everyone has 20/20 hindsight vision. Its easy to say what should have been done after something has happened, but making the decisions while its happening is a completely different story.

or one made by someone who can't express himself in written form without becoming frustrated to a ridiculous degree)

Im irritated at how absurd your claims are. "frustrated to a ridiculous degree. You act as if Im going on a rampage here. Oh wow so I swore a few times. IM THE HULK NOW BITCH

Turn on the news, no one agrees with you.

Well then America seems to have an incredibly short sighted view of this whole ordeal.

F-r-e-e-d-o-m O-f S-p-e-e-c-h. Last time I checked, they have that over at your country as well. I dare because it's bullshit that that woman died...... and because I have the balls to post my honest opinion. BTW, I'm the same way IRL too. If that still pisses you off, hey; that's your problem.

I dont care what you're like. I care that you're thinking like a complete dunce in this situation.

Not really..... I just have this incredible ability to piss folks off, sometimes without even trying. It comes from my blatant honesty. I don't sugar-coat shit. Yeah, sometimes it pisses people off. For example: You. Thing is, I tell it like it is. I don't care if you don't like me. Matter of fact, hate me! Hate me now! I won't lose sleep over it. Fact is, that woman should still be alive. The 911 Operators could have done something about it, they didn't. I know my honesty genuinely pisses you off. Learn to deal with it. If you can't, don't waste your time posting in the threads I make. You'll just get in a fowl mood.

Stop turning this into a discussion about yourself. Lets not get too self-conceited here sonny boy.

Maybe one day when you look back at this, you'll realise the hospital was at fault and that you're being incredibly ignorant when you lay the blame on the operators. We can only hope you'll stop being a jelly tot and start being a smartie.

We can only hope.