Women & Men- Equal?

[Abyss]

I personally don't think that men and woman will ever be equal. Women always complain for more rights and so on, but how much more rights can society give them?

The difference is larger than what's 'down there', even male and female brains work differently. Men are more aggressive and not as sensitive whereas females are the opposite. (Please note this is a general thing, not all men are agressive, etc.) Feminists complain that women can do anything just as well as men can, which is true to some degree, but they are more prone to depression and have to undergo that 'PMS Period' monthly.

Men have a bigger build than women, and are also therefore, in general, are physically stronger. I don't think conscription will ever be introduced for women in any country. Women are joining the army, but that's because they chose to and not because they were forced, like men, in many countries.
This can also bring up the issue of women in sports. Let's face it, the crowds in a women's game aren't as large. Yes, there are some sports, i.e tennis where the crowds are just as big as the men's championships but in team sports, the crowds are less frequent.
And the feminist request for male/female teams can be forgotten, because of the physical differences again.

On the other hand, women didn't have enough rights when the feminists came in. There was hardly any mixed universities or schools and the amount of jobs they could do were limited. But now, I see no reason to complain.. unless in the Middle East, but that should be a whole new topic.

Are Women and Men now as equal as they could possibly be? Discuss.

[N-Revantagonist]

ya women are phisicaly weaker then men because its impossible and i say IMPOSSIBLE for a woman to get all strong and stuff without steroids... which in turn makes it so they cant have children.

[SlithVampir]

Congratulations, you just spent 1000+ chars pointing out the obvious

What feminists "complain" about is not being held intellectually equivalent to Men. I hate to break this to you, but women have the advantage of not having sex on the brain (at least a little bit) at all times. Don't try to deny it. That brain room makes a big difference.

[JakeHero]

Women have a right............to choose which position would be best for pleasuring their man and what to cook for dinner.

[SolInvictus]

At 6/12/07 04:52 PM, JakeHero wrote: Women have a right............to choose which position would be best for pleasuring their man and what to cook for dinner.

depending on how religious you are, they shouldn't even have the choice of position.

[SolInvictus]

At 6/12/07 05:12 PM, SevenSeize wrote: That's right.

What would you like on your sandwich honey?

and *BAM*, just like that, all the porblems in the world are solved!

[stafffighter]

Since we're all flawed little mortal creatures it's hard to really quantify compedetive goodness.

[Draconias]

At 6/12/07 04:20 PM, SlithVampir wrote: I hate to break this to you, but women have the advantage of not having sex on the brain (at least a little bit) at all times. Don't try to deny it. That brain room makes a big difference.

Maybe your hormone-pumped brain is like that, but that is purely a myth with regards to the majority of men. Almost half of men think about sex on less than a daily basis, according to the
Kinsey Report .

[Ravariel]

At 6/12/07 05:47 PM, Draconias wrote: Almost half of men think about sex on less than a daily basis, according to the
Kinsey Report .

I call BS. The only way a male thinks about sex on less than a daily basis is if he's a eunuch.

The obvious flaw in the report is that it required self-reporting... and people for several reasons could be hesitant to seem over-sexed or perverted by thinking about sex on a regular basis.

But yeah, the every-7-minutes thing is BS, too. I'd never

*faps*

get anything done.

[TheMason]

At 6/12/07 03:42 PM, Abyss wrote: ... Men are more aggressive and not as sensitive whereas females are the opposite. ...

I don't have any studies to back this up, only my experience as a father and as a divorced male...and speaking with teachers, other parents, and other divorced men.

1) In childhood boys tend to be more sensitive than girls. Yes, boys tend to rough house and jokingly tease others more...but also tend to react more emotionally to real or perceived insults. Think about this...the kids who have felt ostracizied to the point of comitting mass murder (school shootings) are all male. Remember, aggression is a reaction to emotion.

2) Before my divorce I was not a womanizer. I committed to her easily, and did not cheat on her. I was fully emotionally vested in the marriage. She was not. Since then I have found it hard to get over my feelings of betrayal and trust women. I have talked to MANY men who have had the same experience.

[SkunkyFluffy]

At 6/12/07 05:47 PM, Draconias wrote: Almost half of men think about sex on less than a daily basis, according to the Kinsey Report .

Yes, the Kinsey Report. Which has been almost universally acknowledged as flawed and incomplete. It was the best, most thorough, most enlightening study of its time - but it was written in 1948. Subsequent studies have been much more academically credible in terms of their methodologies. That's not to say that that's wrong, although anecdotally I would say it seems highly unlikely that half of men think about sex less than once a day. I don't think I have ever met a man who did not acknowledge thinking about sex at least that often.

Hell, I know quite a few men who talk about sex at least once a day, so I'm sure it's on their mind more often than that.

[JakeHero]

At 6/12/07 05:14 PM, SolInvictus wrote:

At 6/12/07 05:12 PM, SevenSeize wrote: That's right.

What would you like on your sandwich honey?

and *BAM*, just like that, all the porblems in the world are solved!

I believe the reasons dictators kill so many people is because they're frustrated their wives won't polish their knobs.

[LeopoldKain]

It matters on the situation if women and men are equil
That is the same with race...
All matters on the situation

[SolInvictus]

At 6/12/07 08:51 PM, JakeHero wrote: I believe the reasons dictators kill so many people is because they're frustrated their wives won't polish their knobs.

if they did the world would be full of gracious benevolent dictators leading us into a new and enlightened age!

[JakeHero]

At 6/12/07 08:57 PM, SolInvictus wrote:

At 6/12/07 08:51 PM, JakeHero wrote: I believe the reasons dictators kill so many people is because they're frustrated their wives won't polish their knobs.

if they did the world would be full of gracious benevolent dictators leading us into a new and enlightened age!

AMEN! Who could commit genocide or slaughter an entire group of people if they're frequently getting some? Women, if you want to be humanitarians just be as loose as possible.

[Markface]

I think it is an irony that women think they are the same as males, yet they have to fight for pissy little rights unlike us. Now while I think women are entitled to the same rights as men, this will never be... it's just a fight for superiority and a key factor of this is strength. This can be keyed down to domestic violence, discrimination or any other fact that obligates women due to their strength.

While it is obviously unfair, men will always hold a power stance over women... and not just because they are physically stronger.

[InsertFunnyUserName]

The problem with today's society is that women now have MORE rights than men. They can have all the rights to bitch about unequal rights, right after they pay for half the dinner and stop kicking people in the balls without expecting to get hit back.

Feminism is just sexism with that little 'PC' airfreshoner tied to the side view mirror.

[Cheekyvincent]

men arent gettin rights, so what we dont complain...

... that much- fathers 4 justice

at least we dont go around complaining we dont get enough pay

[SmilezRoyale]

Women have the potential to be stronger then a man but they're essentially weaker then the average man. They're are certain abilities they have in terms of working capability which men dont have [Faster Reflexes for example]

Will there ever be a time when every woman can become as easilly self made as any man? probably not, since men arn't even as easilly self made as others!

I dont particularly think women are being opressed any more on the level of society, Man woman relationships are suffering however, but the government cant interfear unless criminal activity is involved.

[AAraven]

At 6/14/07 03:44 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote:

I dont particularly think women are being opressed any more on the level of society,

Oh really? What about pay disparity, disparity in geting hired for jobs, the fact that women do not have full control over their bodies (abortion) or exploitation in the media?

[JakeHero]

At 6/14/07 03:53 PM, AAraven wrote:

At 6/14/07 03:44 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote:

I dont particularly think women are being opressed any more on the level of society,

Oh really?

Yes really.

What about pay disparity,

Isolated instances. You say this as though every woman in the US is paid less than their male counterparts.

disparity in geting hired for jobs,

Skilled or unskilled labor?

the fact that women do not have full control over their bodies (abortion)

I don't know what feminist bullshit you've been eating up, but abortion is still legal.

or exploitation in the media?

I'm not sure what you mean here, but if you're referring to sex symbols then you have nothing to complain about: those women model knowing full well what they're doing.

Fucking hate feminists.

[AAraven]

At 6/14/07 04:58 PM, JakeHero wrote:

Isolated instances. You say this as though every woman in the US is paid less than their male counterparts.

No, not just isolated occurances, the national trend (aka an average) shows that pay dispartiy is still very real.
(USA TODAY) Also, women are still getting paid less for the same jobs and standard of
work that men do. (AAUW)

Skilled or unskilled labor?

Both.

I don't know what feminist bullshit you've been eating up, but abortion is still legal.

But we're loosing the right, or didn't you hear about one of the more recent Supreme Court cases? (CNN)

I'm not sure what you mean here, but if you're referring to sex symbols then you have nothing to complain about: those women model knowing full well what they're doing.

Of course. Let's just ignore the fact that women are constantly viewed both by popular culture and sometimes religion as property. That's not harmful at all.

Fucking hate feminists.

Great, really intelligent.

[JakeHero]

At 6/14/07 05:32 PM, AAraven wrote:

At 6/14/07 04:58 PM, JakeHero wrote:

No, not just isolated occurances, the national trend (aka an average) shows that pay dispartiy is still very real.

Uh-huh. A few dollars, woo-hoo.

(USA TODAY) Also, women are still getting paid less for the same jobs and standard of
work that men do. (AAUW)

Well I believe that sort of thing is up to the employer and not the government.

Both.

That can be explained by the colleges courses the sexes usually take.

But we're loosing the right, or didn't you hear about one of the more recent Supreme Court cases? (CNN)

Umm, right to late-term abortion should be illegal. That that point it's no longer a zygote or fetus. As another poster said, if a midget crawled up Michael Moore's ass it wouldn't be his decision to have it killed. Considering a fully formed infant isn't a part of the woman's body, well, the point is moot.

I'm not sure what you mean here, but if you're referring to sex symbols then you have nothing to complain about: those women model knowing full well what they're doing.

Of course. Let's just ignore the fact that women are constantly viewed both by popular culture and sometimes religion as property. That's not harmful at all.

Great, really intelligent.

Yes, alot of intelligent people do hate feminists or feminazis.

[xXFingerLickinGoodXx]

Your right and everyone knows it. So why waste posting all this?

[Gunter45]

The fact of the matter is that men and women are not equal. We both have traits and characteristics that better suit us for different tasks. There's a reason why you see drastically more men than women in manual labor positions and why you see a great deal of women in child care services. It's not that some men or some women can't or aren't qualified, it's that, as a whole, there are certain traits that make men and women more suited to certain tasks.

That has nothing to do with the intrinsic worth of the gender as a whole.

[Samuel-HALL]

At 6/12/07 03:42 PM, Abyss wrote: Men have a bigger build than women, and are also therefore, in general, are physically stronger. I don't think conscription will ever be introduced for women in any country. Women are joining the army, but that's because they chose to and not because they were forced, like men, in many countries.

And I fing that reprehensibly sexist, and bigoted. Everything that is mandatory for a male to meet his 'civic duty' should be required for females, as well.
Women asked for equaltiy, right? Women asked to be treated as equals, and yet there are archaic laws on the books barring them from fighting on the frontlines, even if they volunteer for the armed services.

The fact that more females are not complaining about this speaks goddamn volumes about the differences in men and women.

And the feminist request for male/female teams can be forgotten, because of the physical differences again.

Oh, I disagree. Nothing would define 'equality' more perfectly to me, than to see women being crushed out on a hockey rink by a bunch of 'equal' men. Imagine the nfl, har har har, with women as the defensive line, trying to stand up to three hundred pound men.

You want equality, darling? You got it.

Are Women and Men now as equal as they could possibly be? Discuss.

Of course not. Women cannot fight on the front lines, and are not elilgible for conscription. There are still all-women colleges (women colleges who fight very strongly to maintain their bigotry, too), and all-women sports team. Not until total integration of the sexes is reached will we achieve true 'equality'.

[DrBrainTrust]

At 6/14/07 03:53 PM, AAraven wrote:

At 6/14/07 03:44 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote:

I dont particularly think women are being opressed any more on the level of society,

Oh really? What about pay disparity, disparity in geting hired for jobs, the fact that women do not have full control over their bodies (abortion) or exploitation in the media?

The pay disparity comes from the fact that women carry greater liability as workers, making them less valuable workers compared to men. No man working will ever conceivably need maternity leave, and men almost never file sexual harassment claims (which cost companies money even if they are defeated).

The only form of abortion that is currently illegal is late-term abortion. Until there has been any serious legal action that threatens first-term abortion, complaints about abortion being at risk are over reactionary. Few, if any, politicians are bold enough to try to outlaw abortion.

No woman in the media has been forced to do anything. If a woman chooses to present herself in a fashion considered less than tasteful, that is her right. There have been plenty of men, women, homosexuals, blacks, whites, Hispanics, and Asians who, to some, have been poor or even downright embarrassments to their respective groups. To assume women are alone in this respect, or that they are more important, is arrogant.

The idea of any widespread sexual oppression in America is a paranoid delusion, and while in some parts of the world there are cultures that treat women badly, It seems to be awfully egocentric to condemn them for following their traditions.

[tony4moroney]

At 6/12/07 04:20 PM, SlithVampir wrote: Congratulations, you just spent 1000+ chars pointing out the obvious

What feminists "complain" about is not being held intellectually equivalent to Men.

slith summarized this up well. of course women are physically smaller. of course generally theyre less aggressive (by-product of our testosterone). Of course women think about sex less.

Do you honestly think feminists are going to complain that we dont talk to them about sex and all the perverse crap we conjure up with our guy mates?

That feminists are going to complain that we dont play rough i.e slaughter girls when playing contact sports?

The complaint is equality in the workplace, opportunities and equality in treatment and respect.

As for beating the living shit out people when you get angry; you use your fists against guys. You give up when a girl complains.

At 6/12/07 04:52 PM, JakeHero wrote: Women have a right............to choose which position would be best for pleasuring their man and what to cook for dinner.

lol

[SmilezRoyale]

At 6/14/07 03:53 PM, AAraven wrote:

At 6/14/07 03:44 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote:

I dont particularly think women are being opressed any more on the level of society,

Oh really? What about pay disparity

That's because there are more women who are stay at home then they're are men [and most people cant afford housekeepers], hence, the women would usually have part time jobs which are usually lower paying then full time jobs [usually taken in by the males who are too stubborn to do housework or are pushed away from that feild of duty because the female doesn't think he's capable of doing it on his own, one or the other and sometimes both]

my theory should make sense, it's a generalization but it's based on the fact that:

1) women are preffered to work in the house over men
2) part time jobs are less paying than full time jobs
3) pay desparity is based on an average of combined pays

disparity in geting hired for jobs

Some jobs they're more apt to get hired in than men and visa versa, Women have the burden of being more apt for jobs which are less paying, not for the reason they they're less paying but because women have been oppressed in the past, and these jobs were low paying.

The reason in the present being is that people suffer from mental interia, and are also subliminally prejudice; the same reason a woman might not be able to get a job in a body shop is the same reason an italian teenager wont find employment in a chinese restauraunt.

the fact that women do not have full control over their bodies (abortion) or exploitation in the media?

[tony4moroney]

The reason in the present being is that people suffer from mental interia,

Its not mental inertia silly its called neoconservatism and religion.

the fact that women do not have full control over their bodies (abortion) or exploitation in the media?

silly, thats because neoconservatives and christians are infinitely more right and intelligent then say, the rest of the western world and women.
exploitation in the media? what are you talking about? the men are the brains, the women are the sex. sex sells.