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At 11/14/12 02:41 AM, leanlifter1 wrote: LOL don't hate the messenger hate the country that duped you into a brainwashing by way of mass media propaganda and Hollywood.

You aren't a messenger; you are a pompous monkey wearing a monocle, deary. You know nothing about the terms you string along your nitty-winny patty dances. What does socialism mean. Please, tell us all what the term means, so you can instantly reveal how clueless and childish you are for the sake of these forum discussions.

At 11/14/12 06:29 AM, RightWingGamer wrote: Wow, I never knew you could rap so well.

Nor did I.

At 8/19/12 11:56 PM, grevantime wrote: Under the Articles of Confederation which was the rule of law for the fledgling nation before the tyranny of the Constitution had no regulations on private ownership and use of weapons; to include firearms. Without the modern distractions, people who shared in the ways and means of government did a lot of reading; especially history. Prior to the government of the colonies, most gatherings of peoples in what we call America, lived in state-free societies, after overthrowing the charters of the land-grant trading companies. Such multinational corporations were the real power in Britain and the legislature did what they said. It was pure fascism before it had a name. The king was just a figurehead and easily replaceable.

Gun ownership was to be vigilant against government intrusion. The CIA has run a three trillion-dollar drug operation for years. That was really what Viet Nam was about after they bought the operation from the French. Countless private citizens have been put to death by the government. It's quite a massive list. That's the direct list which doesn't slot up black operations. Virginia Tech was a prime example.

It is now illegal to grow organic produce in one's own garden and sell it in the marketplace. However the FDA has ruled that GMOs do not have to be on food labeling. Having well-armed hired thugs come onto one's property at their whim and without due process is cause for self defense. They have fully automatic weapons, to include automatic shotguns. They have exploding projectiles and gunships. They have tanks. Anyone remember Waco?

Now, please do NOT respond to this post with an empty opinion. I deal in facts and logic and I put forth cogent arguments. Respect yourself and me and do the same.

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The rule of law which is based on The Constitution was amended first through The Bill of Rights. The Second Amendment protects the rights of the First. The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 saw demonstrators exercising free speech for several weeks. Then, to quote Inspector Finch, In V for Vendetta: "What usually happens when people without guns stand up to people 'with' guns. " There is no free speech for a people who are unable to stand up to a government willing to deny them.

At 11/30/12 07:47 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: good news, new firearm laws increasing gun lobby efforts will come into legislation for 2013!

Wow so you are proud to increase the US already largest murder rate in the world ?

At 11/30/12 08:27 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

plus loosing up a few more laws for the general public.

That will indeed bump up the gun related homicide rate for sure and being it's already at the highest perhaps it;s time to take another look at restricting firearms. I suggest that all bullets sold have the register owners firearm license number machined into each bullet and shell casing. I am not against shooting guns at an official of non official designated firearms shooting range for fun so long as it is not run by a bunch of assclowns. Myself I rather hunt food with a Bow as I can target practice online in BFBC2 anytime I want.

At 6/14/07 10:16 AM, Stridestrikes wrote:

At 6/13/07 04:05 PM, altanese-mistress wrote: To put it simply: We Americans loves our guns. LOVES our guns! The whole defense for having the second amendment is to be ready to topple the government if it ever became tyranical, and damnit we're more than willing to give up free speech, free press, public trial, etc. to have them.

GOOD ON YA MATE CHEERS THATS WHAT IM TALKIN ABOUT

The stupid part is that you guy's don't even see the ironic illegitimacy here it is quite funny really.

Okay, the gun vs plane/car thing is ridiculous, so I'll clear that up now.
A gun is a tool. A rock, is a tool. Airplanes and Cars, are tools too.
Tools cannot do anything by themselves, neither can any other object which is inanimate.
However, the reason they are tools is because they have been constructed with an intent purpose in mind.
Take the rock, for example.
A rock is just a stone, but if sharpened and cut, can be turned into an arrow head.
Both the Rock and the arrow head are made of stone, so why was the arrow head made?
Because the purpose of the arrow head is to kill, and that is the reason it was invented; there was a need to increase the odds of killing, whether to hunt or defend, and so the stone became specialized. True, you can kill with a stone, but it is more effective as a hammer than as a killing item for, say, hunting. The arrowhead, on the other hand, is more effective for hunting than as a hammer. It was made with that purpose.
Just because something is made with a purpose however, does not mean it can't have other uses; that is why humans have survived; it is called creativity. That arrowhead could be attached to a stick and turned into a spear, and the spears could be used to make protective fences, and so on. However, the arrowhead will always be better for what it was made for - hunting - just like the spear will always be better at piercing than a protective fence (hence the reason barbed wire was invented).
Same with guns, cars, and airplanes.
Yes, and airplane can kill, but look at the practicality of it; once used as a "weapon", the user dies, not to mention that it costs millions to make, and finally that a missile, which is designed for the purpose of destroying, would be more effective at that task anyways. That is why airplanes are not commonly used to kill people.
Cars: The odds of killing many people with one car are low, and again, once used as a "weapon", can kill the user, and are also costly.
Guns: If you use it to kill, it will most likely do that. The user is left alive, and can keep killing, and its much more cost effective and efficient than many, many other items.
Hence, the purpose of a gun is to kill.
The purpose of airplanes and cars are to transport.
You equating that all airplanes/cars are weapons simply because they can kill is the same as me equating that all guns are hammers simply because I can use one to hammer in a nail in my bedroom.
Guns are killing tools, and tools were created to be used.
Its true you may not have the intention kill someone with a gun, but say you had your gun, and someone comes at you with a knife screaming "Ima KILL YOU!", would you;
A) Shoot him.
B) Get in a car and attempt to run him over on grass.
C) Get in an airplane (yes, you have an airplane in this scenario), warm up the engines, and crash into him?

At 12/1/12 10:13 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: I had a mod lock Maybe Guns are not as good an idea thread due to the fact we already have a gun control thread.

go ahead make my day.

We need another thread other than this one that is not filled with gun toting, flag waving, nationalist/fascists and boarder line sociopaths.

At 12/1/12 10:13 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: I had a mod lock Maybe Guns are not as good an idea thread due to the fact we already have a gun control thread.

go ahead make my day.

and FYI Gun Control doesn't work.

Then way does more gun control = less gun related crime and homicide ?

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-japan-virtually-eliminate d-shooting-deaths-2012-7

Also, here is a debate in which addresses the mortality rate of guns vs knives (stab wounds)

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/1997/02/24/knives-00006/

With the data presented, and data from a solid source, it shows that guns are more fatal than knives, one of the most common items that would be used if guns were not present (if anyone wants source of that claim, I can provide it as well).

As someone earlier posted, if guns were not accessible, people would use other weapons such as knives and poisons to achieve their means, but as we will see here, guns have higher mortality rates than other common items one could use to kill. Not only that, but its much harder to kill 10 people, for example, with a knives (or related objects) than with 1 gun (will also provide that data upon request, just that I've been busy today)

At 12/2/12 04:48 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: Of course I am not going to argue that Knives and cars are just as dangerous as guns but I will say that no matter what they can be used as weapons and do kill alot of people like guns but thats because I use the "come great power comes great responsibility" idea it all matters on how the person uses it FOR GOOD OR FOR BAD. but if its any constellation the average citizen can only legally buy hunting firearms (hunting rifles, shotguns etc.) if you want buy semi auto like Ar-15s and handguns you have to fly straight and narrow. If you want to buy full auto you have to fly straight and narrow file for a Class III Weapons License with the ATF. of course you can own AR-15s and handguns if you buy them from a private seller and you keep them exclusivly in your house or if you take it to a shooting range.

you break any of these rules you can lose you firearms permits and be nulled from them for life or face prison time.

In Texas, you pay 90$ and you can have a concealed handgun license. You just take a test and that's it.

Also, My earlier post explains it; just because anything can be used as a weapon doesn't mean it is a weapon. That is why if, given the choice, people will kill someone with a gun rather than a rock; because a gun is a weapon designed for kill.

To put simpler, what is your reason for having a gun?

At 12/2/12 07:15 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

At 12/2/12 06:21 PM, Revo357912 wrote:

Self-Defense, Competitive, Hunting, some are shiny (OOOOH), because I can.

:Self-Defense

In other words, part of the reason is to kill. It may also be the main since it is what you listed first.

And they don't enforce that as much as they should. It is fairly easy to go and buy a gun by just showing your id, and many places also don't even ask for id. Me and my friends and their friends know this well, and some of them don't even know much about guns.

At 12/2/12 07:15 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

Self-Defense

Having a gun is not defensive it is offensive. I suggest to you to invest in proper martial arts training for some good self defense as well to get your ego checked on a regular basis.

GUNS

Offensive
Ego boosting
loud
messy
waste of resources
inconvenient

MARTIAL ARTS

Defensive
Checks ego
Keep in shape
Good for all around heath, mind, body, sprite
Personal improvement
Promotes positivity, discipline, ethics, hard work, dedication, confidence

At 12/2/12 08:12 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 12/2/12 07:15 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

Self-Defense

Offensive
Ego boosting
loud
messy
waste of resources
inconvenient

MARTIAL ARTS

Defensive
Checks ego
Keep in shape
Good for all around heath, mind, body, sprite
Personal improvement
Promotes positivity, discipline, ethics, hard work, dedication, confidence

mostly opinion....

got any proof?

Some of the things you post are just pure bs. Ego boosting? Loud? no shit it's loud thats why you where hearing protection, not having it won't make you deaf unless you constantly shoot without hearing protection.

waste of resources? Messy? not at all. They clean easy. Proper training can teach discipline and self confidince. They're not really inconvient either. Although transporting handguns/paperwork can be hassle depending on where you live.

I don't own any handguns though....

At 12/2/12 09:04 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

not true unless your trained. most of the time its assholes who think they are fucking Rambo. if you have been trained to stay cool and disciplined firearms are very effective for self-defense.

Martial arts trains discipline gun ownership does not train discipline guns enable a false sense of security and ego.

At 12/2/12 09:04 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

At 12/2/12 07:47 PM, Revo357912 wrote: And they don't enforce that as much as they should. It is fairly easy to go and buy a gun by just showing your id, and many places also don't even ask for id. Me and my friends and their friends know this well, and some of them don't even know much about guns.

of course you show a ID they do a quick background check and you get it if you pass. as for those places that don't ID they either are being negligent or those are repeat customers they deal with, if thats not the case that FFL Dealer is breaking the law and be reported.

I can think of 30 places that violate the law then, not to mention certain gun conventions where all you need is an id showing that your 21 and over to get in and buy, no background check needed, and then just fill out a little paperwork stating that the seller is not responsible.