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Forum Topic: Why Do Atheists Talk About Religion

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I think the reason is, Athiest see thiests bound to their scripture, which is almost all of the time is only prohibiting them from doing certain things. Athiests, out of the 'kindness of their hearts' offer those out of their 'shackles' because they believe that they would be happier without religion.

It's also a really fun topic to debate, particularly because i am very good at it and the other person has a lot to loose :)


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At 6/15/07 08:20 PM, Memorize wrote:
At 6/15/07 06:37 PM, Tancrisism wrote:
Look, you are never going to be taken seriously if you continue to rant like this. You never provide actual argument, you just say "OMG U R AN IDIOT". Which provides nothing productive or any insight into anything.
Yeah, i'll do what you do. Read 1 or 2 sentences and completely disregard the rest.

I read the whole posts, I just usually omit what I agree with. Perhaps that's not the best idea; I'll keep an eye on it.

If you are referring to my above post, then you are entirely incorrect. We've been reading each others' posts for a while now, and you barely ever actually debate, you merely go, "haha you're an idiot; oh, maybe if you had some brains; shit, i'm jacking off", and so on. Post something either constructive, or slightly funny; otherwise it's just obnoxious like I mentioned. I'm not attacking you, I'd just like to see something other than the monotonous bullshit.

At 6/15/07 09:00 PM, FeargusMcDuff wrote: I think the reason is, Athiest see thiests bound to their scripture, which is almost all of the time is only prohibiting them from doing certain things. Athiests, out of the 'kindness of their hearts' offer those out of their 'shackles' because they believe that they would be happier without religion.

Sure, some do. Most of the time I do only if it deals with something that effects me directly, which it doesn't usually unless it's a Mormon coming up to my door or something like that, which isn't the fault of the majority of the religious folks, or something like people going "atheists suck lol", in which I'd like to provide insight to.

It's also a really fun topic to debate, particularly because i am very good at it and the other person has a lot to loose :)

I know what you mean.

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Illogical.
Stupid.
Pointless.

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At 6/15/07 08:43 PM, Dr-Worm wrote:
There's a huge difference between "using your head" and what you're suggesting.

Using your head = Not engaging in sexual activity with someone you've barely met.

Or maybe you just can't get any...

I'm 17. Why would I want any? And what would make you think that, especially with the way my writing towards the subject is?

People make mistakes. Many many mistakes, some bigger than others. That's life, and we should deal with it accordingly and realistically.

Well, since we're going by your version of "accordingly" and "realistically", it seems to only be getting worse every year.

You clearly know nothing about how most of these accidental pregnancies happen. And yet again, you're an insignificant, arrogant prick who has no right to say how "worth living" anyone is.

Accidental Pregnancies huh?

Oh right. The condumn could break. Taking pre-cautions. Ect ect..

You want to know the 100% gurantee not to have kids? Simple: Do not engage in sexual activity. If you are not ready to have a child, then you should not have sexual intercourse. Because the reality of it is, there is always a chance of a pregnancy.

Letting someone unfit to be a parent to sleep with every person he/she can find and then letting 'her' have an abortion once or more than once, isn't solving a single thing.

The world can never have it your way. It's impossible, it'll never happen. Ever.

There's a difference between how I would run the world and how I think it should be run.

Instead, we should try helping people, instead of demanding that they be perfect.

I refuse to help those who do not help themselves.

When the fuck did this happen? I'm gonna need a little more context to believe this.

Spreading aids = Life Sentence

Did he tell them he had AIDS?

He claims he did.

Did he even know at the time that he had AIDS?

Apparently.

If the answer to just the first question is no, it's not the womens' faults.

It all depends on which woman he was with. There was another man who did the same thing. Only, he didn't have a relationship with a single one of the women he slept with.

So because none of them, in that case, had a relationship, then it is the woman's fault for having sex with someone she didn't or hardly knew.

You are just one sick, angry motherfucker, aren't you? How can you not only not feel sympathy, but feel glad that people are terminally ill?

Angry? No.

Terminally ill? Those people brought upon themselves to be terminally ill.

If a man knows he has aids, engages in a relationship with someone (for more than 2 weeks, at least... c'mon, you have to go more than that), and infects that other with aids, then it is his fault, not the partner's.

But, for example, if a woman has sex with a man after the 1st day she met him and she gets aids because of it, then it is equally her fault. And i'm not going to feel sorry for her.

Of course, women really do have it extremely easy in the Justice system.

I'm sure you're just a saint, Memorize, what with how peoples' deaths fill you with glee and all.

I'm not happy over their deaths. I'm happy for the microscopic advancement to a bette future.

This may be foreign to you, but giant outburst of rage isn't the only emotion people have in response to something bad.

It is also up to a person to control that response.

You're going on about how happy you are that people are dying, and sitting up there on your high-horse telling everyone that if they're not perfect, they "aren't even worth dirt" and should die. You're the disgusting lunatic.

If you say so.

No one is perfect. But things like Murder, rape, child molesting makes that person less of a human being and should therefore be treated as less of a human being.

Yup, you sure are :)

Oh?

A play on words.

Then I guess you have no compassion for WWII veterans who were involved with the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

War is different.

You're doing exactly what the other guy was doing.

You know exactly what i'm talking about. Stop trying to insert irrelevant subjects into it.

HOW THE FUCK WOULD YOU, COULD YOU, EVER EXPECT THAT TO HAPPEN? IF THERE'S NO REALISTIC MEANS FOR YOUR TOTALITARIAN SHITHOLE TO EXIST, YOUR ARGUMENT HAS NO CREDIBILITY!!!!!!!!!!!! (now here comes no rebuttal besides "and if you type in all caps, then your argument has no credibility")

But was there really a reason to type in all caps?

You bet your ass it's up to the woman. And since it's up to the woman, if she says "it's not alive, suck it out, Doc," then so be it.

So all this other stuff. Like "it can't feel pain", and "it's not aware of its existence" is all thrown out of the window now?

Man, you really like it when people die, don't you?

No.

Though to be honest, if I saw a hardcore enviornmentalist get killed by a tractor because he/she jumped in front of it, i'd say "that's sad", but i'd also feel a slight joy deep inside me.

Just why that is should be blatantly obvious. I may have already said it in caps, but this goes way beyond that.

But are you going to deny that these problems would still exist to this magnitude if everyone were like me?

I mean, there are people a lot better than me, but i'm better than most people in a sense that I believe people should realize what they do and/or did and accept responsibility for it instead of trying to hide from it or make up excuses.

Do I, like Ravarial, judge based upon religion?
Do I, like him, believe someone has to have a certain belief in order to run for any kind of office?

Not true. In my book, it's really just you and the terrorists.

Haha, at least my opinion on the war comes directly from the troops instead of telling them to "piss off" as if their opinions are worthless.

But, am I the one trying to protect insurgents?
Do I complain when a terrorist claims to be tortured?
Do I blame the president for an isolated incident of torture that he had no part of?

The people who do those, are the people I hate.

haha, and they claim to be "supporting the troops".

See, you're still arguing thinking that, if I ever came into power, that this is how I would run the world. No. There's a difference between how I think it should be, and how I would run it.

Why do you think I have this personality? I'd watch on tv and see people desperately trying to defend murderers. People trying to defend rapists and child molestors because they sentences were "too harsh". A baby sitter killed an infant and what was her punishment? "You cannot baby sit in this state again". People protesting the death penalty over a man who's fighting to end his appeals so he CAN be put to death. Female teachers getting off the hook for having sex with an underage male student because "it was male, therefore unhurt, therefore no need for punishment".

Every year people complain that the way we conduct the death penalty is too inhumane. And every time we find an alternative way to do it, the same people still complain even if it causes 0 pain at all.

People more worthy to live than death row inmates die all of time. So why is all of the attention wasted on them?

It's not that you, me or anyone else is really a bad person that I hate and despise. It's that there are people who have the same attitude as you, who sit by and let it happen and even defend them.


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At 6/16/07 12:14 AM, Tancrisism wrote:
I'm not attacking you, I'd just like to see something other than the monotonous bullshit.

Then it wouldn't be as fun to certain people.

If someone wants to debate or argue with me, then they should add in their petty insults while ignoring everything I write. If someone wants to argue with me, then reply to my post and tell me why.

At 6/16/07 12:17 AM, EvilerBowser1001 wrote:
You have just painted your self-portrait, memorize.
'Don't just do somthing, stand there'.

Tell me. How am I illogical?


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I talk about it because religion is destroying the world.

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At 6/16/07 01:17 AM, Memorize wrote: Tell me. How am I illogical?

Allow me, seeing as it's easier than quoting your entire thing.

Your main argument is "the world would be much better if it was like this and this and this," but those are overly idealistic, ILLOGICAL rationales. The world is the way it is, and there are certain things that just don't change (like random sexings). Saying that these inevitabilities SHOULD change is not a viable argument when it can never happen, regardless of whether or not the world would be better if it did. So basically, you're going to have to come with a waaay better reason for considering the vast majority of the human race "beneath" you.

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At 6/16/07 01:31 AM, Dr-Worm wrote:
Your main argument is "the world would be much better if it was like this and this and this," but those are overly idealistic, ILLOGICAL rationales.

And I admitted to that.

Do you want me to repeat?

"There's a difference between how I think the world should be run and how I would run the world"

It is unrealistic. But since everyone seems to want to make this about me, well, I mine as well tell you guys how I feel about these people.

The world is the way it is, and there are certain things that just don't change (like random sexings). Saying that these inevitabilities SHOULD change is not a viable argument when it can never happen, regardless of whether or not the world would be better if it did.

Please, you should realize that change is not not ever going to happen.

Just look at the changes between 1790 to today.

So basically, you're going to have to come with a waaay better reason for considering the vast majority of the human race "beneath" you.

You really need to read my last post. It would answer a lot of your statements.


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You are illogical because you just stick to the same arguments again...and again...
You sound like a broken record.

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At 6/16/07 01:54 AM, EvilerBowser1001 wrote: You are illogical because you just stick to the same arguments again...and again...
You sound like a broken record.

Hey. I sound just like a politician.

Of course i'm going to stick to the same one. What do you want me to do? Flip flop on my position?


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At 6/16/07 01:12 AM, Memorize wrote:
At 6/15/07 08:43 PM, Dr-Worm wrote:
Or maybe you just can't get any...
I'm 17. Why would I want any? And what would make you think that, especially with the way my writing towards the subject is?

Wow! That is sad. Everyother 17 year old male and female is trying to jump into the sack as much as possible. Maybe you're mental.


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At 6/16/07 02:29 AM, Brick-top wrote:
Maybe you're mental.

Maybe I'am.


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There are 2 types of atheist:
1: the person that sues others for having any religious undertone in anything. These people are dipshits. I hate them.
2: Me. Pretty much your average joe who just doesn't believe in a god for one reason or another.

The only reason this thread exists is because type on gets publisized and type two doenst have a reason to be pulisized.

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At 6/16/07 02:29 AM, Brick-top wrote: Wow! That is sad. Everyother 17 year old male and female is trying to jump into the sack as much as possible. Maybe you're mental.

I'm 17 too, and a virgin. I plan on staying a virgin. What IS sad is that nowadays virginity is seen as a bad thing, even for females. WHY is it a bad thing to be a virgin, explain that to me?


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Atheists fight religion because of religious bigotry, meddling, personal agendas, or whatever. Just like religion fights other religions and Atheism.

It's that simple.

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At 6/16/07 01:55 AM, Memorize wrote:

Of course i'm going to stick to the same one. What do you want me to do? Flip flop on my position?

Giuliani style. Seriously, Memorize has a point. When that dickhead Fallwell died, I threw a small party. For the record, he was the guy that said that AIDS is god's punishment for us tolerating homosexuals.

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At 6/10/07 10:20 PM, slackerzac wrote: Well when it come down to it most atheists are idiots who dont like god for some stubid reason.

Hypocrite. The definition of atheism is not that an atheist doesn't like God, it's that an atheist doesn't beleive in God or any other supernaturnal being.


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At 6/16/07 01:55 AM, Memorize wrote: Of course i'm going to stick to the same one. What do you want me to do? Flip flop on my position?

God forbid you change your mind when new information becomes available.

"This is the way it is, don't confuse me with the facts!"

Tis better to sit in silence and be presumed a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

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At 6/16/07 04:53 PM, SlithVampir wrote:
For the record, he was the guy that said that AIDS is god's punishment for us tolerating homosexuals.

That's because Falwell was a nut.

At 6/16/07 06:10 PM, Ravariel wrote:
"This is the way it is, don't confuse me with the facts!"

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No one reads my posts; i hate you all so much ;'(

For this reason, i am concluding that i am always right; even though part of my beleifs is that i'm never completely right unless i know everything; which is impossible.

Since i beleive in Both the beleives of Gnosism, and Evolution;

Most everything that a living specie does has some sort of contribution to the 2 objectives of any living specie, which are to live long and prosper; sex is one of them. With reasons obvious to most of the people on this forum.

The concept of chastity is ages old, and has a habit of strengthening and waving throughout history in various places of the world. Christianity is a well known supporter of chasity.

a main objection to the whole concept of religon, particularly christianity, is how fundamentalist christians use flasehoods in order to justify chasity. I too am somewhat disapointed in this, as there are plenty of logical reasons why a person who has abitions of sucess would want to avoid sex before they're 'settled' into the world.

God fearing was able to protect people from stupid descisions in the past, [and often times, conversely, contribute to them] now education must play that part; which is what i hope it will do. But because we're entering a Gap period between no education and no god fearing you have people who have NO reason not to commit themselfs to foolish actions; a main reason why christians argue that atheists desire neither god fearing nor academic means of preventing incompitents, they just want people to do what ever they want, and essentially ruin themselfs, they're lives, and the lives of people who must pay the price of they're ignorance.

This is how debate works; 1) Present Facts 2) Use logic to Interpret the facts 3) Then make conclusions.


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At 6/16/07 01:54 PM, altanese-mistress wrote: I'm 17 too, and a virgin. I plan on staying a virgin. What IS sad is that nowadays virginity is seen as a bad thing, even for females. WHY is it a bad thing to be a virgin, explain that to me?

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While I am not expressly saying virginity is a 'bad thing'.
It is only a bad thing (in my opinion) if it causes distress for the person who is a virgin.

Virginity is seen as a person who is pure, or sexually inexperienced.
There are some who believe that somehow makes you a better partner, or more desirable for marriage.( For myself the last person I would want to marry & make love to, would be a virgin)
Then there are the people who somehow think that virginity keeps you safe from aids, it doesn't, there are many more ways to get aids than sexually.

One rarely hears about , degrees of virginity.
I once knew a girl who was a virgin, only if by that definition you meant her hymen was still intact. Orally she was as virgin as my ex wife.

It seems to me that virginity being a virtue is actually a religious concept, whether it be a Christian , Muslim or other popular religion of today. It was often spoken of as having some form of power with the gods in the old Roman & Greek multiple god religions (the vestil virgins of Rome) come to mind. So the virgin concept is probably as old as mankinds religious practices.

SO as with a belief in god ,or a disbelief in god, or how religions say one should then worship said god(s).
It is all really relative to one's own prespective.
So A-M ....if it makes you happy, that is all that is really important.
Nothing anyone else says or thinks should ever matter.

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I asked TheAmazingAtheist on youtube on why atheists talk about religion.
He finally responds and his answers are somewhat similar to those who Previously responded here, but i dont see how religion is forced onto someone who lives in their parents basement.
If you look at his previous videos, it shows how much he hard he tries to prove different religions wrong.


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At 7/20/07 11:17 PM, Truth wrote: I asked TheAmazingAtheist on youtube on why atheists talk about religion.
He finally responds and his answers are somewhat similar to those who Previously responded here, but i dont see how religion is forced onto someone who lives in their parents basement.
If you look at his previous videos, it shows how much he hard he tries to prove different religions wrong.

Atheists on youtube are the worst of all.

They actually sicken me sometimes.

But the most Pretentious one is patcondell. Man, that guy is a dick.

Example: http://youtube.com/watch?v=WPAC_cGVnUg

He decides who deserves Respect! A very bold claim i would say.

Now as for me. I'm a theist. I don't agree with a lot of church teachings, quite frankly i don't like most churches.

But I figure Atheism is just as bad at being radical fundamentalists as Christains, Muslims, whatever.

my favorite Atheist quote is: Religion is a cancer

Wow that makes me laugh.


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Damnit! I posted the wrong friggin clip. Dawkins isn't an asshole....

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At 7/21/07 12:45 AM, TheRealJollyRoger wrote: But I figure Atheism is just as bad at being radical fundamentalists as Christains, Muslims, whatever.

So, I'm an atheist, so, I'm automatically as bad as a radical fundamentalist Muslim who crashes into skyscrapers and radical fundamentalist Christians who kills abortion doctors?

I really hope you meant to put radical fundamentalist before Atheism too, or else your stupidity knows no bounds.

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becuz atheists r stoopid!! lolololololololol

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At 7/21/07 07:27 AM, Grammer wrote: becuz atheists r stoopid!! lolololololololol

Thread over eh?

Isn't this thread kinda old? There were answers on the first page.

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At 7/21/07 07:27 AM, Grammer wrote: becuz atheists r stoopid!! lolololololololol

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C'mon Grammer that's a cop-out.
Atheists are stoopid!tehy can't prove nothin.
(insert religion) are stoopid, they can't even prove there's a god.

Simply insulting people one way or the other isn't going to prove squat.
To even begin to call one side more or less stupid, in my mind only makes the accuser look stupid.

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ur right, im sorry, (insert religion) is just a bunch of lies

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