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At 6/11/07 09:44 PM, Memorize wrote: These are my personal beliefs of you after reading your posts on this forum.

Wow... the irony is staggering...

At 6/11/07 11:09 PM, Ravariel wrote:

Wow... the irony is staggering...

Yeah, but I never thought i'd meet someone who thought being atheist should be a requirement for office.

At 6/11/07 11:11 PM, Memorize wrote: Yeah, but I never thought i'd meet someone who thought being atheist should be a requirement for office.

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Oh, come on. You're usually better than making up shit that is blatantly untrue.

owait...

I don't see where he said being an atheist should be a requirement for office.

Heh, nevermind. Someone got to it before me.

At 6/11/07 09:44 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 6/11/07 09:35 PM, ForkRobotik wrote:

So i should be sensitive enough to know that you have beliefs of some kind and i should make sure that anything i say is PC enough that it's not going to hurt your feelings? Get off it. Besides, from what i know of you memorize, your beliefs ARE insulting.

Ok then.

You're a hypocrite.

How so?

You're a whiny, little bitch who's a drain on society.

My whining is draining what from society? Also, please quote me whining. Also, Isn't criticism healthy in any democracy?

You are the wart on society's ass.

Considering that society is one great big fat ass, i must say that i'm pretty proud of myself, i mean, it's better than being a zit on society's ass!!!

You're just a fucking idiot looking for a reason to complain.

Do you really think that i complain?

Although you are incapable of proving your beliefs, you're going to insult others because their's is different, making you a hypocrite.

What are my beliefs exactly? I assume the sun will rise tomorrow based on the evidence that myself and everyone i've ever met has...how is that the same as assuming that there's a magic man in the sky, and i must find a christian sect that is the "closest" to him in order for me to get to go and live in magic land forever? I'll make you a deal. If you can get all the different religions of the world together, and peacefully agree on what the "real" religion is, i'll believe...or atleast pretend that i do :)

These are my personal beliefs of you after reading your posts on this forum.

Dude, you can believe whatever you want, but if you actually want to know about me, just ask.

At 6/11/07 11:57 PM, EvilEgg wrote: atheists seem to have dumb beliefs........... where do we go when we die?

thats a horrible example of atheist's "dumb beliefs".

At 6/11/07 11:25 PM, ForkRobotik wrote:

How so?

I believe I explained that later...

My whining is draining what from society? Also, please quote me whining. Also, Isn't criticism healthy in any democracy?

Ok: "Boo hoo, religion this, religion that, waaa whaaa".

There.

Considering that society is one great big fat ass, i must say that i'm pretty proud of myself

A wart would.

Do you really think that i complain?

Sure, why not?

What are my beliefs exactly? I assume the sun will rise tomorrow based on the evidence that myself and everyone i've ever met has...how is that the same as assuming that there's a magic man in the sky,

See?

You cannot prove or disprove, yet you insult people not based on their intelligence, but rather on their beliefs. Which makes you a pathetic fucking idiot.

Of course, I could list some of the smart people who believed in a "magic man in the sky". Such as: Albert Einstein. Gallileo. Mandel. Newton.

Dude, you can believe whatever you want, but if you actually want to know about me, just ask.

How about, shut the fuck up and learn to do what your party always going on about, which is... "tolerance". And then you can speak.

That's purely advice of course.

At 6/11/07 11:16 PM, Ravariel wrote:

Oh, come on. You're usually better than making up shit that is blatantly untrue.

owait...

Haha, did you read what you wrote?

You: "You say things that are blatantly untrue... oh wait". Well, it's nice that you're capable of admitting it.

At 6/12/07 12:10 AM, Memorize wrote: Haha, did you read what you wrote?

You: "You say things that are blatantly untrue... oh wait". Well, it's nice that you're capable of admitting it.

Holy whoooosh.

lurn 2 reed.

At 6/12/07 12:55 AM, Ravariel wrote:

lurn 2 reed.

lurn 2 rite.

At 6/12/07 12:10 AM, Memorize wrote: I believe I explained that later...

Nope you didn't.

Ok: "Boo hoo, religion this, religion that, waaa whaaa".

There.

Yeah, but i never said that, but why are you making shit up? Don't you have a leg to stand on?

Do you really think that i complain?

Sure, why not?

Except i don't.

You cannot prove or disprove, yet you insult people not based on their intelligence, but rather on their beliefs. Which makes you a pathetic fucking idiot.

Except, i don't have to prove a negative. The burden of proof is on those that believe! I insult only those that let me....thankyou. :P

Of course, I could list some of the smart people who believed in a "magic man in the sky". Such as: Albert Einstein. Gallileo. Mandel. Newton.

What does that have to do with anything?
Also, Galileo believed that comets were an optical illusion, some of Einsteins theories were off, which mandel are you talking about, and newton once threatened to burn down his parents house.

Dude, you can believe whatever you want, but if you actually want to know about me, just ask.

How about, shut the fuck up and learn to do what your party always going on about, which is... "tolerance". And then you can speak.

I don't preach tolerance. I am quite intolerant of the intolerant. Also, the ignorant. You are clearly in the same boat as me!

That's purely advice of course.

noted.

At 6/12/07 01:16 AM, ForkRobotik wrote: which mandel are you talking about

Howie.

At 6/12/07 12:59 AM, EvilEgg wrote: That ended all conversation right there that last bit.....

Atheist?

Yes.

What do you believe? What is your religion?

I don't have a religion. I'm atheist.

I believe in the world as it is, and the universe and so on. I believe in what I see, and what logic and reason allows me to perceive.

I wanna hear it from one of it's own is your religion just a pile of bullshit on top of more and whenever your popped the question you gotta pile on more bullshit or insult something else.

Oh.

Like a different religion? I seem to sense another post on the board thats just like this ,but it is an atheist retard insulting other religions like all others and he/she is a plain hipocrit.

I apologize for being an atheist then and insulting your religion as we speak. It hurts me that my not following your religion insults you and hurts you, and I gravely apologize for my hypocrisy.

All atheists are....

Right. And all Christians kill Jews, and all Jews have big noses, and all Blacks have big lips, and all French smell bad. You are a very enlightened person, free of bias, ignorance, and stupidity. And I envy you for it.

At 6/12/07 01:16 AM, ForkRobotik wrote:

Nope you didn't.

It was in the same friggin' post where I called you a hypocrite... twice. Once in the beginning, once at the end.

"Although you are incapable of proving your beliefs, you're going to insult others because their's is different, making you a hypocrite."

Look at the very top of the page.

Yeah, but i never said that, but why are you making shit up? Don't you have a leg to stand on?

If I had someone else's leg, I'd beat you with it.

Except i don't.

Sure...

Except, i don't have to prove a negative. The burden of proof is on those that believe! I insult only those that let me....thankyou. :P

Where in this thread did I question your belief?

If no one can prove it one way or the other, then why should anyone care?

An even better question: Why should you care?

What does that have to do with anything?

That smart people believed in a higher being. People much smarter than you (although, I could walk up to a total stranger at random and find out he's smarter than you).

Also, Galileo believed that comets were an optical illusion,

Yeah, who'd have thought hundreds of years ago.

some of Einsteins theories were off,

Are you actually saying that Einstein is stupid?

which mandel are you talking about,

Who do you think, idiot?

Gregor Mandel. Think: Genetics.

and newton once threatened to burn down his parents house.

And Darwin was once religous.

I don't preach tolerance. I am quite intolerant of the intolerant. Also, the ignorant. You are clearly in the same boat as me!

I preach intolerance towards stupid people. I believe you fit that bill.

At 6/12/07 01:38 AM, Memorize wrote: That smart people believed in a higher being. People much smarter than you (although, I could walk up to a total stranger at random and find out he's smarter than you).

I'm beginning to understand how you judge intelligence: Basically, if they aren't famous or Memorize, they are idiots.

It's a trusty system, I take it. Almost as trusty as the public school system's grade point average for measuring intellect.

At 6/12/07 01:46 AM, Tancrisism wrote:

I'm beginning to understand how you judge intelligence: Basically, if they aren't famous or Memorize, they are idiots.

Kind of you to notice.

At 6/11/07 09:14 PM, ForkRobotik wrote: But what if you ARE stupid for what you believe?

That's fine, if they are, but judging someone's intelligence isn't a good way of converting people to your cause of having a good image.

The sad part is that you wouldn't know it...

The sad part is your obliviousness....

So atheists shouldn't have freedom of speech, or the internet shouldn't have freedom of speech? please clarify your argument for me...

Never said atheists couldn't have freedom of speech. If they feel so goddamned compelled to berate me and others for our beliefs go right ahead, we'll just enjoy the freedom to dislike/hate you for it. Just like if someone called Churchill and asshole, I couldn't silence them nor would I want to, but I have the right to hate their guts.

I have never "bitched" about any religious person trying to convert me, however i thoroughly enjoy molesting the insane beliefs of some.

And this kind of arrogance is why your kind ranks as the most hated demograph in the US, thank you for proving my overall belief of atheists.

Okay, maybe i put my foot in my mouth, what is your religion and which political party do you support? lol.

I don't have an organized religion, though I do believe in God.

Two points

1) can we stop refrencing famous scientists please? Newton was kind of nuts, especially after those alchemy dabblings with the mercury. Einstein was wrong with general relativity (it fails at the big bang, and inside black holes). But what he did was advance us closer to being right. At the time al we had was the 8-track and he gave us tthe cassette.

2) You all waste your time on this. None of you can prove any of your beliefs. That's okay if you can have an intellegent discussion, but it appears that you can't do that (glares angrily at Memorize, Forkrobotik and Ravirel)

At 6/10/07 10:14 PM, Truth wrote: Why do they try to prove religion wrong?

Religious people, have to teach others about their beliefs.
This isn’t true for atheists.

I know some atheists don’t even bother unless someone is pressing beliefs toward them, but some atheists try so hard to prove it wrong anyways.

Because thats what people do. Religious people try to spread their beliefs because they think they have found the secret to eternal life and that they can save people. Its hardly an evil motive, and I can imagine that if i found those things out I would want to tell people.

But

Athiests look at religious people and see them basing their beliefs on a story and a magical jewish zombie and, with equally good intentions, want to help the people that believe what they consider to be a fictional story by showing them that its not real, and that basing their morals, actions or anything else off of it is unnecessary.

At 6/11/07 11:57 PM, EvilEgg wrote: atheists seem to have dumb beliefs........... where do we go when we die?

You rot in the ground. Or are incinerated.

At 6/11/07 11:59 AM, Truth wrote: this is true

So it would be normal for an actual athiest to challange these beliefs.

to challenge what believes? Agnosticism?

Sorry i wasn't clear enough...i meant as in all religous beliefs.

At 6/12/07 09:00 AM, EvilEgg wrote:

At 6/12/07 05:58 AM, emmytee wrote:

But

Athiests look at religious people and see them basing their beliefs on a story and a magical jewish zombie and, with equally good intentions, want to help the people that believe what they consider to be a fictional story by showing them that its not real, and that basing their morals, actions or anything else off of it is unnecessary.

You see us basing our beliefs on a fictional story but yet you can't prove it is fictional.

Yet you can't prove it's true, either. Don't blame them when they don't believe you. Being an agnostic I acknowledge the possibility of a God, but I haven't see enough proof either way to prove or disprove a God. Some people don't need religion for guidance. You have yet to explain how your story IS true, you've only said "well you can't DISprove it either". So why should we believe it if you can only not be able to prove it isn't true. I mean someone could tell me that there's a flying spaghetti monster and I wouldn't be able to disprove that either because they say he's invisible and all powerful too. Other than the fact that this is blatantly a parody, what makes your religion any more provable than any of the others? How do you prove to a guy who's never heard of your religion before your story is true? Does he deserve eternal suffering because somebody can't prove a story to him? Does the 66.94% of the world that isn't Christian deserve some sort of punishment because noone's been able to prove to them that your religion is any more plausible then their's or lack of their's?

Really, I have no problem with you being a Christian if you want to (as long as you don't violate others' rights not to be), but I think you should be a little bit more tolerant of your neighbor atheists. XD While I don't see why it's totally impossible that there is a God, that doesn't mean I have to pick a religion. If atheists want to believe there's NO way there can be a God, that's their business too. Don't get all mad at non-religious people because we don't understand why your religion is any more provable than the others.

I think there's a lot of confusion as to what atheist actually means.

It doesn't necessarily mean that a person believes that there is no god, it just means that they don't believe in a god (i.e. God may exist, but they don't have faith in it).

Then, later on, the term "agnostic" was created, which further muddled things because now everyone thinks that all atheists firmly deny the existence of any sort of god.

Oh well!

At 6/12/07 12:02 PM, Elfer wrote: I think there's a lot of confusion as to what atheist actually means.

It doesn't necessarily mean that a person believes that there is no god, it just means that they don't believe in a god (i.e. God may exist, but they don't have faith in it).

Then, later on, the term "agnostic" was created, which further muddled things because now everyone thinks that all atheists firmly deny the existence of any sort of god.

Sounds to me like Athiest does mean a firm disbelief in God. If it didn't originaly it does now, and thats why we have the word agnostic. And if you can prove that those two words mean the same thing than we need another word.

At 6/12/07 12:02 PM, Elfer wrote: I think there's a lot of confusion as to what atheist actually means.

It doesn't necessarily mean that a person believes that there is no god, it just means that they don't believe in a god (i.e. God may exist, but they don't have faith in it).

Then, later on, the term "agnostic" was created, which further muddled things because now everyone thinks that all atheists firmly deny the existence of any sort of god.

Oh well!

Hmm. You're right, it has gotten pretty muddled. But I think that since we HAVE the term agnostic people figure if that you're calling yourself atheist it must mean a strong atheist. Otherwise it would make just as much sense to use the term agnostic, right? I suppose technically agnosticism is a form of weak atheism then.

At 6/12/07 12:05 PM, Me-Patch wrote: Sounds to me like Athiest does mean a firm disbelief in God. If it didn't originaly it does now, and thats why we have the word agnostic. And if you can prove that those two words mean the same thing than we need another word.

I believe Douglas Adams used the term "radical atheist" in order to avoid confusion.

In any case, that's what makes these arguments fun: Theists constantly attacking statements that atheists aren't making, and atheists floundering around rather than pointing out that there's been a failure to communicate properly.

At 6/12/07 12:10 PM, Elfer wrote:

At 6/12/07 12:05 PM, Me-Patch wrote: Sounds to me like Athiest does mean a firm disbelief in God. If it didn't originaly it does now, and thats why we have the word agnostic. And if you can prove that those two words mean the same thing than we need another word.

I believe Douglas Adams used the term "radical atheist" in order to avoid confusion.

Who's that the author of watership down.

In any case, that's what makes these arguments fun: Theists constantly attacking statements that atheists aren't making, and atheists floundering around rather than pointing out that there's been a failure to communicate properly.

Id'e say both sides love to argue phantoms on this forum. Thread makers are always lashing out at the supposed infringment upon their views thats taking place inside of their heads.

At 6/11/07 04:33 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: How about we all agree that all people need something to believe in.

I believe I'm going to have another Beer ! -I have today off yay!

Even if that be that something doesn't exist.

Whether a supreme being exists or not. Does not take away that many so called religious leaders use their positions to foster what 'they believe' to be the way the followers of that religious group behave.
That is why I am so against organized religions.

I truely believe that the values that treat every human equally, no matter what gender, nationality, race, religion or sexuality is what is truely important.

Any religion that deviates, in any way from this, is wrong.
Any political party or group that attempts to treat anyone, as a lesser citizen ,should be outlawed on this planet.

If we are all gods children, anyone who puts themselves above another, or as better than someone else, must be wrong .
It then follows that if any discrimination to any of the above named groups is even considered by a religious group, whether leaders or members, then those views are fundamentally mistaken.

Just because I don't believe that any major religion is anywhere near my ideas, does not mean I do not believe in god.

Like everyone else who is truthful to themselves, I Don't know .
But I have been taught & brought up in a religious family ( my mom & grandparents ,aunts, uncles) and from that start & research on my own, I cannot agree with what these religions put forward.

I'm not saying everything about any religion is wrong, the fact a religion is in many ways doing good for many people, isn't good enough. If your in any way conflicting with anyone based on gender, nationality, race, religion or sexuality.

So here are a small sample of why organised religions, to me , are not worth the effort.
<for example muslim>, attacking all progressive , modern values & attempting to put/keep womans rights back into the middle ages. That act alone makes me want nothing to do with this religion. Not that I in anyway condone terrorist tactics, but that is too often the only subject that comes up when Muslim's are mentioned.

<a s an example>Catholic's, this religious group tries to put forward that the Pope is somehow divinely ordained. -c'mon, he's voted into position by a group of his peer's. Saying that vote is divine is like saying God elects the president of the U.S. Their views on birth control, marriage are archaic as well, just like the old boys clubs in the 1700's ,you know women as chattel.

<a nother example> christians, being outraged (my mother among them) that gay people should have marriage rights & the right to become church leaders (priests) themselves. these are predjudicial views that condemns someone for no logical reason.
Being against someone being gay is as stupid as being against someone being hetro . We are all individuals, if we all treated each other the way we wish to be treated, what a different place this world would be.

So I close with, I am not an atheist, although I have been labeled with that here on Newgrounds & in the real world as well. I'm not a woman, gay , or a visible minority (as they say here in sticksville ,Canada)
To the religious newground members, I live in sin (I'm living and sexing it up) with my girlfriend. & we are actively practicing birth control, and as many of the karma sutra positions as we can bend ourselves into.
We both refuse to bend to our families views & displeasure at discarding our religious upbringing -she Catholic , me Protestant from United Church.
Does that truely make me a bad person?

I'm just someone who's enjoying my life, but still curious about possible answers to these really not so important questions about god.

Do you know why it is so unimportant right now .
Cause one way or the other, we're all going to find out one day.
I can wait.
and hope for a better world by continuing to be a good person.
have a nice day.

I believe it's the exact same reason some religious guy would talk about their religion.

Christians have organizations that are made so that people who want to convert to Christianity can do so. The same goes with Islam. That's why the belief spreads

Judaism does not have as great as an incentive to do this, therefore it does not spread.

Atheism does not have an organization that converts you from religiou to Atheist because Atheism is an irreligious philosophical view, no conversion process is needed. Therefore, it is up to the Atheists themselves to try to "convert" someone through persuasive speaking.