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Why blame video games when we have murder mystery novels that thoroughly describe somebody getting murdered and how the killer did it.

At 6/11/07 08:58 PM, TheSovereign wrote: Why blame video games when we have murder mystery novels that thoroughly describe somebody getting murdered and how the killer did it.

And Bond movies... don't forget the Bond movies.

the media say video games are evil but there is no way anybody could do something to ban them.

Damn straight! I like video games, and I won't even play with BB or painball guns. I just don't like guns that actually fire stuff, except water guns!

How can video games cause someone to go on a killing spree? First of all how could an 8-year old playing a video game get a gun then shoot up their neiborhood? I mean the only way they might be able gun without waiting 13 years is if their parents have a gun lying on a table loaded. Which in that case it would be the parents fault and if they are so concerned about the game situation why don't they consider it would be the parents fault because an eight year old can't buy a rated mature game without the parent being there.

video games are bad. theyre responsible for AIDS, Sudan, Darfur, blood diamonds, massacres, corrupt governments, failed communism, nazism, bush, all the wars and ecetera

youre wrong. theyre the work of satan.
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i base this argument based on absolutely nothing.

GTA was a best seller i think, that's why it get's the best attention.

Video games suggest to children that they CAN kill.
I guess it kind of gives them confidence if they choose to ever carry-out a shooting.
Also, the army uses computer games to train soldiers, so I wouldn't be surprised if they actually improved reflexes and shooting accuracy.

Nevertheless, it takes a bad person to carry-out a shooting, all games do is give that person the extra confidence they need to actually make it happen.
So yes, I do believe that violent video games have an effect on the frequency of school shootings.

At 6/27/07 08:17 AM, Alphabit wrote: Also, the army uses computer games to train soldiers, so I wouldn't be surprised if they actually improved reflexes and shooting accuracy.

The army does infact use simulators to train soilders. NOT video games, soilders don't just sit around and play CS:S all day. The simulators help the men to get used to tough situations and in the airfore they test your dogfighting skills. You are also right that video games will help improve reflexes, but your going to be able to dodge bullets or aything.

What bothers me though is you thinking that playing video games will improve your marksmenship, say I give 8 year old Johnny a copy of Halo and let him shoot aliens with a pistol. Will this simulate the recoil? No. Will he even know how to use a real pistol? No. Actually firing a weapon is a lot different than pulling the R button on an Xbox controller.

The regularly trotted-out argument about why video games receive harsher treatment and/or censorship is down to their interactivity, which you cannot have with a movie or whatever.

Really?

Why is it on the Final Destination 3 DVD you have an option to choose who lives and who dies, yet this has never been scritinised in a half-assed, incompetant way by Jack Thompson? After all, it's interactive, and it involves killing people who look a hell of a lot more realistic than the average grunt in either Manhunt game.

Does this file under "grey area" or "moral panic from 25 years ago"?

I tend to agree with that kid from the movie Scream: They don't create killers, they make killers more creative.

Video games are great. If you beat one, you increase your self esteem. :D

I've read some pretty well-written arguments in this thread, so I thought I might just add my view on this.

I, personally don't think video games are the number one straight path to agression (and ultimately, violence). There are a few factors that have to taken into consideration, such as a child's emotional development before video games, how the child was treated by his or her first peers at school, where the child grew up etc. Sure, video games might cause some damage in the most extreme of cases, but I personally don't even think this is likely: for example, I think video games had little to do with Columbine (as an example), and I've been studying this particular disaster for years!

This been said, I do, however think that the parents should show a bit more responsiblility. For every 18+ rated (the highest censorship in the UK, not including Refused Classification) game I've purchased in the past, I've always had my parents confirmation and they've always set rules to abide by, such as "Don't play it with your brother and his friends." "Don't play it to loudly." but in this house we don't really care. Even though my parents have let me play games like Grand theft Auto, Postal 2 and Truce Crime: New York City, they've always shown some responsibility over the matter. What really leaves me speechless on this matter is a story my brother told me about someone in his year (he's in year 7, so we're talking about 11 and 12 year olds) who strolled into Gamestation, without any parental supervision and buy The Godfather which is accompanied by a large 18+ sticker in the corner.

Another point I always have the need to criticise on the matter is the scapegoating that SevenSeize mentioned. Since it is horribly bad scapegoating, they perform horribly bad research to go with it. Two examples include: "You can make people nude in The Sims and you can see pubic hair and sexual organs!" and "You can kill people in Bully!". To the Sims comment, it is tricky to delete all the standard pixels, especially to a young child and while Nude patches exist, they are not the property of EA Games or Maxis and are not targeted for children. Furthermore, about 90% of these patches show pubic hair, the main argument here. For the Bully comment, it's just plain wrong. After a few hits with a weapon like a slingshot, the victim will squirm on the floor for a while. That's it. Feel free to do some factfinding yourself, but I own both these games.

Well, that's all really. I'm sure it will be challenged by some users and the post itself will be flawed and contradictory, but it just feels best to get these feelings out there :)

This is how I look at it, let's just say for arguments sake that games DO cause violence. Wouldn't it be the parents fault not not teaching the kid the difference between the real world and fantasy? Also, if they were bad, then wouldn't it be the parents fault for buying them the game?

I also hate it when people say that games increase aggretion. This is easily false, mostly due to the fact that games are a way to have fun. If you're tired out and stressed, wouldn't it be nice to just hang around the house and play a game?

Blaming games is a pathetic scapegoat used for people to get themselves out of trouble. This isn't anything new. It's the same thing with people trying to blame rock music for making their kids crazy, which is something we laugh at today.

At 6/29/07 10:30 PM, Deadly-Shadow wrote: stuff

I agree completly.

Dude, only idiots will actually copy things in video games! And what are people gonna do! Ban video games? Put thousands of people out of their jobs? Its the violence the goverment makes in wars and agressive attcacks that is making people more and more violent! If they are sooo obssessed with getting rid of violent video games, then they can go screw themselfs because violence is here to stay until war itself is gone!!!! >:(

yea the hole VIDEO GAME VILOCE is bullshit!

watch the attached flashdont do dat danny!

At 6/11/07 08:58 PM, TheSovereign wrote: Why blame video games when we have murder mystery novels that thoroughly describe somebody getting murdered and how the killer did it.

exacty! but then again kids dont like to read.

I agree that people are just blaming violent behavior on violent video games, television, and rock and roll music! I have learned much by watching the movie Bowling for Columbine. Video games are just a place to escape to and play brain-incapacitating activities.

People who say this crap about vidio games being bad are stupid.... At the NON-SUBERBAN(lower class) school I go to people who "CLAIM" there in a street gang will be arested, not only that but bandanas, shirts, shoes(and shoe lases), and socks will be taken up if they don't reach a bull shit dress code.... Hats, wrist bands, rings, or anything with drug, alcahol, death or guns will be taken AND NOT GIVEN BACK(as well as some clothing). Also the "STREET GANG" members (crips and bloodz) will hang out WITH EACH OTHER!!!

They treat this like the problem when there ARE kid FIGHTING in school, haveing SEX in school and doing DRUGS in school and the school police and teachers act like they don't see it!!!

At 7/1/07 05:56 PM, Chickenlump wrote: I agree that people are just blaming violent behavior on violent video games, television, and rock and roll music! I have learned much by watching the movie Bowling for Columbine. Video games are just a place to escape to and play brain-incapacitating activities.

Bah. Gun control probably won't make it any better. Michael Moore is misguided in that movie.

i hate it cuz evey one is like "omfg! video games will kill my kid!"

so some fucking kid kills someone then gets caught then he say "the video game made me do it!" .... THE VIDEO GAME DID NOT MAKE HIM DO IT. yea he says this like he a fuckin 4 year old. they should say "i saw this happen on the video game and i thought it would be cool to try." no there not honset but say "the video game made me do it!" then the cops buy into this shit and go kill the man who sold the kid the game even thou the kids parents were told that it was rated m by the guy who sold them the video game.

THE VIDEO GAME DID NOT HOLD A GUN TO YOUR HEAD AND SAY "KILL THIS GUY!" SO DON'T GIVE ME THIS "the video game made me do it!" BULLSHIT!

Let's have a little compare & contrastm regarding the Resistance: Fall of Man/Manchester Cathedral non-story:
In the game you fight insectoid aliens.
Sky News says that in the game you fight rival gunmen, with "hundreds slaughtered"

Guess which version soon appeared in our reactionary press?

At 7/14/07 07:28 AM, D2Kvirus wrote: Let's have a little compare & contrastm regarding the Resistance: Fall of Man/Manchester Cathedral non-story:
In the game you fight insectoid aliens.
Sky News says that in the game you fight rival gunmen, with "hundreds slaughtered"

Guess which version soon appeared in our reactionary press?

Let me guess.. the one that proves videogames are spawned from the ideals of Satan himself?
If you support videogames you're supporting the terrorists. You're either with us or against us.

Face it, videogames have a direct correlation to violence, murders, sadism and AIDS.

At 7/14/07 07:58 AM, tony4moroney wrote:
Face it, videogames have a direct correlation to violence, murders, sadism and AIDS.

Tell me about it: I played The Sims, and I found myself talking to people, watching TV, sleeping and making dinner. I was more beast than man, and had no control over my actions!!!

Absolutism really pisses me off.

particularly how violent a person becomes doesn't depend soley on video games. I own alot of Starwars games as well as a few games where you send anywhere from 200-10,000 troops on a battle feild and make them slaughter eachother [Total war].

However, i've only been repremanded once in my entire life for commiting an act of violence against another student. [Which was in the 5th grade; and i really wasn't looking for the fight itself] I myself an also known for being probably one of, or amoung the most docile of all students in my school.

People can easilly override one influence with another in the world. A 21+ year old [i would hope] can drink without being an alcaholic.

You can be trained as a drill sergeant and still be known to your friends as the nicest amoung the group.

I feel parents are far more comfortable with the prospet of blaming a 'system' or a paricular way that a thing works, as opposed to blaming they're hypathetical ignorance and neglect for violence.

At 7/14/07 11:35 AM, TomsPulp wrote: STFU, video games cause violence, dont fucking say they dont just cuz you play them and like em, i play them and i know they fuck you up, they make you mad.

Quick note: if your contribution starts with "STFU", that's instant admission to the fact you know jack shit.

Thank you for confirming this with your Fox News inspired moronity.

the one thing i agree with with the president is that games dont cause violence the real problem is where are these people getting these guns?

At 7/14/07 07:58 AM, tony4moroney wrote:

Let me guess.. the one that proves videogames are spawned from the ideals of Satan himself?

no the one that proves people like you dont read statistics and just say whatever the fuck pops into ur retarded head

At 7/14/07 01:23 PM, SnakeHank wrote:

At 7/14/07 07:58 AM, tony4moroney wrote:

Let me guess.. the one that proves videogames are spawned from the ideals of Satan himself?

no the one that proves people like you dont read statistics and just say whatever the fuck pops into ur retarded head

He was being sarcastic. Dude, chill.

Yes, fellow NGers, that was D2Kvirus telling somone to chill...