Skinheads aren't Racist!

[WaldenPunk]

Skinheads were black and white dockwrokers in britian during the 60's , who shaved thier heads to prevent catching lice. They wore fred perrys, boots, and braces when they went to the dance halls to listen to REGGEA AND SKA that the jamaican dock workers brought with them from jamaica. Bands such as Symirip, the Skatalites, and Prince Buster all contained either ALL black or a mix of black and white members, and were what the original Skinheads listened to. Eventualy, this scene died down, but was revived in three different ways in the mid 70's in Britian. Bands like Judge Dread, the Specials, and the Selector created the "Ska Revival" movement that lasted well into the 80's. At the same time, Punk Rock was erupting in britain and a band called CockSparrer was formed and is credited with creating Oi! music. Oi! derived from punk and working class blues. Soon, a new breed of Skinheads appeared, as well as bands to form the scene. Bands like, the Opressed, the 4 Skins, and Sham 69, helped carry this scene that exsists today. Current American Skinhead bands such as the Wretched Ones, the Teplars, and Iron Cross, all stared in the 80's and still play today. Both the Wretched Ones and the Templars have black and hispanic members. Unfortunatly, it takes a few assholes to ruin everything. Skrewdriver was originaly an Oi! band and their first album "Back with a Bang" contained ro racist material. Eventualy, Ian Stuart realized that the only way to sell records was to pretend he was racist.but, When he died, they found old Trojan records in his room. Trojan records being the leading record company promoting BLACK reggea and ska. Unfortunaly, dipshits world wide listened to this bullshit and thought, just like the rest of the world, that Skinheads were racist. Real Skinheads AREN'T racist. Rock music was invented by blacks and the original Skinheads were mostly black.

[FUNKbrs]

yeah, right. We all know that Punk music came way before people in the military shaving their heads to keep cool during long marches. Sadly, Punk music does NOT predate Fascism. Punk only used sensationalism to promote itself, often relying on socially taboo stylings and images to create press attention. Yeah, Punks arent really racists, but theyre not true skins either.

[Lyddiechu]

yeah, i know. in philly theres a large contingent of RASH (red and anarchist skinheads). altho im not into their music, personally, i like the skinhead look: work pants tucked into jack boots withsuspenders "braces" and a white t shirt. excellent for stomping the shit out of nazis.

[WaldenPunk]

At 6/2/03 11:37 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: Punks arent really racists, but theyre not true skins either.

of course not. punks and skins are different subcultures.

[nitroxide]

At 6/3/03 02:53 AM, select_thief wrote: but they music same and tehy have stlye same too and the diffrent is the name of punk and skinhead

Punk is the juice of all punks,but punk itself is not one race it is made up of many beliefs,backgrounds,and people,Punk is primaraly based on the notion of "do it yourself"anrchy view.
Punk is not a look or a fad.

Skin heads are fools,often going on whinning about being alienated for their sub-culture all while persecuting others for their cultures.
Skinheads usually hold neo-nazi beliefs...
why the fuck is this thread still open...
ANDREA!!!
::grabs bong::

[lapslf]

At 6/2/03 11:37 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: yeah, right. We all know that Punk music came way before people in the military shaving their heads to keep cool during long marches. Sadly, Punk music does NOT predate Fascism. Punk only used sensationalism to promote itself, often relying on socially taboo stylings and images to create press attention. Yeah, Punks arent really racists, but theyre not true skins either.

I listen to punkrock and hardcore, and those band do NOT use ANY sensationalism. Those are all just nice and normal people playing original and way better music than that stupid mass pop crap.

Punk has nothing to do with the way you look. I call myself punk, but i look like every normal guy. You've just shown that you know absolutely nothing about punk.

[FUNKbrs]

At 6/3/03 10:02 AM, Veggiemeal wrote: I listen to punkrock and hardcore, and those band do NOT use ANY sensationalism. Those are all just nice and normal people playing original and way better music than that stupid mass pop crap.

Punk has nothing to do with the way you look. I call myself punk, but i look like every normal guy. You've just shown that you know absolutely nothing about punk.

*sees a generous lack of informality*
*decides to do something about it*

Actually I accidentaly went into a Punk club owned by a friend of mine who plays thrash, and lo and behold I found the BIGGEST bunch of wanna-be hardass pussies ever. A bunch of guys throwing punches at the air, and when I actually try to mosh somebody, I was told that "Nobody moshes like that here" and asked to stop. PUNK 5UX0R5

[lapslf]

At 6/3/03 10:09 AM, FUNKbrs wrote: Actually I accidentaly went into a Punk club owned by a friend of mine who plays thrash, and lo and behold I found the BIGGEST bunch of wanna-be hardass pussies ever. A bunch of guys throwing punches at the air, and when I actually try to mosh somebody, I was told that "Nobody moshes like that here" and asked to stop. PUNK 5UX0R5

Dude, of course there are losers everywhere. You've got fakers and pretenders and wannabe's in every subculture. When I look around I see kiddo's in pennywise T-shirt who haven't heard more than one song of the damn band. I also see idiots listening to good charlotte and blink 182 and call themselves punk.

Punk stands for resistance against authority and unfair wealth and being different from the stupid mass. You can be different by taking weird haircuts and wear odd clothes, but I don't like doing that so I dress like your everyday skaterboy, because I like such an outfit. Still, I like the the moshing and the punk music and I agree with what it stands for. That makes me punk without looking weird or having thirst to sensationalism. THAT is real punk, my friend.

[cannibal7878]

what about the SHARPS?
Skin Heads Against Racial Prejudice?
Oh yeah, you probably forgot about them...
Stupid fuckers.

[D2Kvirus]

Great, I get through sorting out the whole punk thing on the BC board last week (t.A.T.u. are more punk than Good Charlotte, discuss), and now it comes here? Frickin' hell...

[nitroxide]

At 6/3/03 02:02 PM, cannibal7878 wrote: what about the SHARPS?
Skin Heads Against Racial Prejudice?
Oh yeah, you probably forgot about them...
Stupid fuckers.

There are all types of skin heads,Gay skindheads,black skinheads,lesbian skin heads.

[Kenney333]

I listen to alot of Ska and some Reaggea, but mostly punk and i get shit like everyday for havin a mowhawk cause it makes everyone think your a nazi or somethin, i really dont care though, i like scaring the kids

[Lyddiechu]

At 6/3/03 02:02 PM, cannibal7878 wrote: what about the SHARPS?
Skin Heads Against Racial Prejudice?
Oh yeah, you probably forgot about them...
Stupid fuckers.

dude, RASH (which i mentioned in a previous post) is almost the same fucking thing, they just have more of a working class political affiliation than SHARPS thats all. read before you flame.

anyway... on the subject of punk... it SUCKS! its so... uncreative. not that everything else i like is completely original, its just that punk you pick one side left or right and you bitch bitch bitch and dont do anything about it but hang out on the street looking crusty and disgusting. and thats "real" punks... so called "fake" punks (mall punks) are even worse since they think that buying a dog collar made of fake leather and some plaid pants at hot topic will make them underground or some shit. fuck that. theres only one punk band besides the misfits that ive ever liked and thats this dutch one that wrote a song about getting their bike stolen and i cant even goddamn remember the name of the bad. it was just the funniest song ever. other than that punk sounds just terrible. and the people are so goddamn annoying. even more annoying than goths at least real goths who have money know how to dress well. i'll tell you whats fucking hardcore, I am fucking hardcore!!! ive sat through wagner's ring cycle (4 operas, each of them around 5-6 hours each) TWICE!!!! thats enough musical teutonic GLORY to kill a whole cadre of angry punks. eat my operatic WRATH!! it doesnt take shit talent to pick up a guitar and scream about the government and put glue in your hair. it takes years and years of training to write or even sing an opera or any other piece of classical music. ive been trained in choral music for 12 years and i still can't sing opera. you know why? since that takes vocal maturity! its not just a learning process its a physical one too.. you have to train and train and then wait for your vocal chords to develop until your mid twentys and then train and train again but in a totally different way. now that is hardcore.

i think the most talented popular artist has to be Mr. Bungle (i forget his real name, he used to be a jazz musician and he was in faith no more for a while). Now that is insanely creative shit. Go download some and tell me if your damn punk bands can pull off crap like that, suck!

[WaldenPunk]

the guy from Mr Bungle's name is Mike Patten. I like Mr Bungle. and Mike Pattens solo noise shit.

but yes, Punk is just another subculture with its own values and beliefs and nobody said punks were perfect.

On the subject of SKINHEADS since thats what this post is about, thank you for mentioning SHARPS, im glad some one here knows about that shit. There are three types of Skins: SHARPS, Traditional Skins, and Boneheads( the nazi fucks that call themselves skinheads) Skinheads and Punks do listen to roughly the same music, but there are some differnces.

The entire point of this topic was to educate people and break the stereotype that skinheads are racist. Like I said before...they're not....if some dipshit shave his head and wears a swastika patch, that makes him a moron

At 6/2/03 11:06 PM, WaldenPunk wrote: Skinheads were black and white dockwrokers in britian during the 60's , who shaved thier heads to prevent catching lice. They wore fred perrys, boots, and braces when they went to the dance halls to listen to REGGEA AND SKA that the jamaican dock workers brought with them from jamaica. Bands such as Symirip, the Skatalites, and Prince Buster all contained either ALL black or a mix of black and white members, and were what the original Skinheads listened to. Eventualy, this scene died down, but was revived in three different ways in the mid 70's in Britian. Bands like Judge Dread, the Specials, and the Selector created the "Ska Revival" movement that lasted well into the 80's. At the same time, Punk Rock was erupting in britain and a band called CockSparrer was formed and is credited with creating Oi! music. Oi! derived from punk and working class blues. Soon, a new breed of Skinheads appeared, as well as bands to form the scene. Bands like, the Opressed, the 4 Skins, and Sham 69, helped carry this scene that exsists today. Current American Skinhead bands such as the Wretched Ones, the Teplars, and Iron Cross, all stared in the 80's and still play today. Both the Wretched Ones and the Templars have black and hispanic members. Unfortunatly, it takes a few assholes to ruin everything. Skrewdriver was originaly an Oi! band and their first album "Back with a Bang" contained ro racist material. Eventualy, Ian Stuart realized that the only way to sell records was to pretend he was racist.but, When he died, they found old Trojan records in his room. Trojan records being the leading record company promoting BLACK reggea and ska. Unfortunaly, dipshits world wide listened to this bullshit and thought, just like the rest of the world, that Skinheads were racist. Real Skinheads AREN'T racist. Rock music was invented by blacks and the original Skinheads were mostly black.

You are an idiot.
Skinheads were dockworkers in England during the late 50s and early 60s. They were white, and they shaved their heads because long hair would be a hassle in their line of work.
Skinheads invented an agressive, racist form of music called "Oi", which is essentially agressive punk with racist lyrics.
The first skinheads were appaled by the huge influx of immigrants into Britian in that time, so they started to fight back against what they saw as a scourge.
It started with "Paki Bashing" and then escilated on to Jamacians, Arabians and any one else who wasn't white.
Skinheads in those days wore work boots, bracers (Thin suspenders, for those who dont know, jeans or overalls and a T shrit of some. That is where the "skinhead" look of today comes from.
Skrewdriver was always a racist band, and never released "Back with a bang" (Nor did they ever write it) and the myth about finding regae tapes in Ian Stuart's bedroom is false.

The first skinheads WERE racist and were not black.
Please think before you type.

[mysecondstar]

to be quite honest the whole origin of skinheads can be debated. but the fact of the matter is what they are today. the thread reads "Skinheads aren't Racist!" when, in fact, we look at them and they are. their origins can be disputed and they may not have been racist at first but something caused them to be racist today.

At 6/3/03 11:51 PM, FlattusMaximus wrote:
You are an idiot.

Yeah well you're aesthetically unpleasing.

Skinheads were dockworkers in England during the late 50s and early 60s. They were white, and they shaved their heads because long hair would be a hassle in their line of work.

50s and 60s you say? Oh my, that is in perfect timing with the birth of punk several decades later.

Skinheads invented an agressive, racist form of music called "Oi", which is essentially agressive punk with racist lyrics.

Oi! music was an attempt to keep punk a populist, street-level phenomenon; most of it came from the Cockney working class of London's East End. Likely taking its name from the Cockney Rejects' 1980 song "Oi! Oi! Oi!" (before which it was simply known as street-punk), Oi! was loud, brutal, and extremely simple, with loads of shout-along, almost football-chant choruses.

The first skinheads were appaled by the huge influx of immigrants into Britian in that time, so they started to fight back against what they saw as a scourge.

Oi! and skinheads acquired a bad reputation when it was adopted by racist skinheads aligned with the neo-fascist National Front organization, not the other way around.

Skrewdriver was always a racist band, and never released "Back with a bang" (Nor did they ever write it) and the myth about finding regae tapes in Ian Stuart's bedroom is false.

Stuart didn't proclaim his racial beliefs until 1982 [5 years after their first record] and walked unto the stage with his right arm raised like Hitler.

The first skinheads WERE racist and were not black.

I beg to god damn differ.

[D2Kvirus]

At 6/3/03 08:49 PM, WaldenPunk wrote: the guy from Mr Bungle's name is Mike Patten. I like Mr Bungle. and Mike Pattens solo noise shit.

PATTON!!!

Sorry, long time Faith No More fan...

but yes, Punk is just another subculture with its own values and beliefs and nobody said punks were perfect.

However, you miss the pint that there isn't one "punk" genre, and the local scenes were all different in approach and subculture (New York gave us The Ramones and The Stooges, San Fran gave us the Dead Kennedys, London gave us The Clash and The Sex Pistols, etc etc), which were all "punk", yet had differences in outlook, image, and belief system.

Post 70's, there was the net wave, which is where the Nazi element started coming in, and the music was far more aggressive (ie, The Exploited) in the UK at least, while Black Flag and so forth were, again, a different form of post-punk, as their scene was different. Ditto for Bad Religion - all playing in the same period, yet all had different values.

You know this'll culminate with a character assassination of Good Charlotte, Satan Lavigne, Sum 41, Green Day and Blink 182, so feel free to make up your own. Mentally.

The entire point of this topic was to educate people and break the stereotype that skinheads are racist. Like I said before...they're not....if some dipshit shave his head and wears a swastika patch, that makes him a moron

Damn, you mean I'm too late to let rip on media representations? Fine, I'll shuffle off an randomly hate Americans for no apparent reason or something...

That was a joke, Commander, yeesh.

I'm slightly off-topic but Punk shouldn't be a style or a music genre, it should be a fucking rebellion like its founding fathers wanted it to be.

"punk's not dead it just deserves to die when it becomes another stale cartoon a close-minded, self-centered social club"-Jello Biafra [who by the way never had a mohawk haircut or had the stereotypical "punk" look]

[FUNKbrs]

skin·head ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sknhd)
n. Slang
1A person with a shaven head.
2A member of any of various groups of people, especially young people, who shave their heads and sometimes participate in white-supremacist and anti-immigrant activities.

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
[Buy it]

skinhead

n : a young person who belongs to a British or American group that shave their heads AND gather at rock concerts or engage in white supremacist demonstrations

Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University

[D2Kvirus]

At 6/5/03 02:00 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:
n : a young person who belongs to a British or American group that shave their heads AND gather at rock concerts or engage in white supremacist demonstrations

Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University

So, either you go to gigs, or vote BNP? Talk about a polarised lifestyle choice...

In other words, that's overly generalised, and hardly going to give much information. After all, "punk" hardly has any of the sociological template covered in the COD, does it?

[WaldenPunk]

D2KVirus and nailbomb.....kudos to you for posting such logical messages. I'd say more, but i am speechless, you have made my day.

Heres some lyrics to a song I wrote for my band The Retorts:

Bullshit Stereotypes:

Just because you shave your head
Your braces are white or your laces are red
It doesn't mean your a Nazi
Your working class but, no one see's

People need to seperate
What is real and what is fake
Fuck the movies and TV
They are not reality

No more ignorance
No more lies
Mo more Bullshit Stereotypes!

Skinhead88, your argument that if you asked someone what a skinhead they'd say a racist person is perfectly flawed.

"Excuse me sir, do you know what a skinhead is?"

"Why yes I do, it is a rather unpleasant individual that holds fascist beliefs, shaves his heads, dresses like a bum and listens to punk music."

"Would you care to name a few punk bands that a skinhead might be listening to?"

"Surely they must listen to Blink 182 and Avril Lavigne like all the other punk kids."

You see my point? People only know what they've been told by the mainstream media.

[bumcheekcity]

The funny thing is here in the UK, its people with long hair that listen to the rock bands, and the skinheads listen to R+B/Pop.

[WaldenPunk]

At 6/8/03 04:46 PM, bumcheekycity wrote: The funny thing is here in the UK, its people with long hair that listen to the rock bands, and the skinheads listen to R+B/Pop.

what skinheads are you talking about?

[misterx2000]

Your hairstyle doesn't really determine your personality...well most of the time.

/me looks at mohawks

[D2Kvirus]

At 6/9/03 11:39 PM, WaldenPunk wrote:

At 6/8/03 04:46 PM, bumcheekycity wrote: The funny thing is here in the UK, its people with long hair that listen to the rock bands, and the skinheads listen to R+B/Pop.

what skinheads are you talking about?

Dumbass townie motherfuckers that need castration and/or extermanation. I think...

[Robotussin]

dude most skinheads are racist because HOW THE FUCK DO YOU THINK People got into the AB They had to be a skinhead!

[bumcheekcity]

At 3/27/04 11:21 AM, FryerMonkey wrote: dude most skinheads are racist because HOW THE FUCK DO YOU THINK People got into the AB They had to be a skinhead!

What's the AB?

[RedSkunk]

wha...? You mean everyone who shaves their head isn't a white supremacist?

.... oops..