Border Control Mexican Border

[GeneralFox7]

Will we fix our borders over mexico or will we keep the borders flooding with illegal immigrants. Will Congress make more money set aside so we can fix our borders. Will we transport the mexicans back to mexico? should we?

[cellardoor6]

At 6/8/07 12:30 AM, GeneralFox7 wrote: Will we fix our borders over mexico or will we keep the borders flooding with illegal immigrants.

We were supposed to secure our border about 5 different times in the past 20 years, but the plans always get fucked over, funding gets pulled, liberals complain, conservatives complain that the liberals complain. Etc..

Will Congress make more money set aside so we can fix our borders.

They already did, but then they cut some of the funding, and refused to address it when the bill they passed wasn't being acted on.

Will we transport the mexicans back to mexico? should we?

We should considering it is the law. But it's not very easy to just haul 12-20 million illegals. I wish we could, but we can't

So in the meant time, we're stuck with them, and all the problems they cause. And these very same illegals are multiplying like crazy, and are overwhelming the population of the Southwest. So we're basically getting invaded by people who don't respect our laws and don't even consider the US to be our country, but part of Mexico. Then these very same people will eventually become citizens and be able to vote in the country they don't respect.

[troubles1]

I sure hope so we can't catch them all with this.

[cellardoor6]

At 6/8/07 02:04 AM, troubles1 wrote: I sure hope so we can't catch them all with this.

That shit would catch me, I love tacos.

A better way to catch illegal immigrants:

[Brick-top]

Why dont they just build a 50ft wall with barbed wire, flood lights, motion sensors and all round patrols.

See how easy that solution is?

[UWDarDar17]

At 6/8/07 07:38 AM, Brick-top wrote: Why dont they just build a 50ft wall with barbed wire, flood lights, motion sensors and all round patrols.

See how easy that solution is?

Some parts of Texas actually have flood lights and motion detectors along the border.

But the problem is that building a wall like that is really expensive and time-consuming, and the American people are an impatient lot. They want a solution now. And there currently aren't enough Border Patrol members to do all-round patrols. We could increase the number in the Border Patrol, and that'll probably be part of any immigration legislation. But I only want government organizations patrolling the border. I do not trust any of those wacky "Minutement" groups or whatever they're called. Border Patrol should be a "nab, detain, and release" system, not a "see, yell, and blast 'em" system.

And then there's always the old joke of, "Yeah, you want a wall, but who's going to build it?"

You should know the answer.

[Durin413]

Heres some ideas.

You could place land mines around the border (and warning signs in Spanish and English)

You could go for a bluff and put up just the signs (not reccomended)

WE gotta put nuclear waste somewhere :)

Or, the biggie: We dig a ditch 2 miles wide across the border. We then take the excess dirt and use it to reinforce New Orleans and other coastal areas. Then we take the excess alligators in Florida and put them in the ditch. 3 problems solved at once.

[zero5225]

Leave them alone There just comming here 4 a better life

[UWDarDar17]

Such naivete.

Immigrants must enter legally. Those that are here now illegally should stay, if only to prevent an economic hiccup, and they should eventually become naturalized, taxable citizens.

But, you can't just say "leave them alone". They need to be able to immigrate legally. If that requires making adjustments and fixing the immigration process to make it less expensive and less time consuming, then it should be done. But there is no reason that we should tolerate illegal immigration.

[GeneralFox7]

At 6/8/07 07:38 AM, Brick-top wrote: Why dont they just build a 50ft wall with barbed wire, flood lights, motion sensors and all round patrols.

The problem with that is the 50ft wall with barbed wire would cost too much to put around all of the mexican border. besides the mexicans would probably find some way to make it through with a bribe or something.

[GeneralFox7]

yah youre right we should care if they cross because if we didnt all of mexico would cross the border and ruin our government. they should only be able to cross if they have a green card and can speak english. Because its gotten so bad that a lot of the signs in america are in spanish and english. I mean if you go to mexico you have to learn spanish because everything is in spanish..

[UWDarDar17]

Yeah, but how many Americans do you see moving to Mexico?

Clearly there aren't enough to make them post signs in English and Spanish.

And Canada seems not to have problems with posting signs in French and English.

What if a family from Mexico is visiting their relatives in America and can't read English? Gotta know how to get to where you're going.

[HighlyIllogical]

Let them enter legally – make it easier to enter legally (more security, but computerize it and work WITH Mexico's "security agencies")...Reenforcing the border is tough. The border patrol isn't what it should be and posse comitatus prevents military forces being used in a police role. If we could just repeal posse comitatus...

[UWDarDar17]

No. Do not repeal posse comitatus. Amend it to allow military forces to act as border patrol, and only amend to allow that. The last thing I want is to even open the possibility for the military to act as civilian police.

[zero5225]

What if amercians half to jump the border to mexico The Day After Tomorrow

[fli]

At 6/8/07 01:59 PM, UWDarDar17 wrote: Such naivete.

It's also nice to see people acting so classey too--

At 6/8/07 04:13 PM, HighlyIllogical wrote: Let them enter legally – make it easier to enter legally (more security, but computerize it and work WITH Mexico's "security agencies")...Reenforcing the border is tough. The border patrol isn't what it should be and posse comitatus prevents military forces being used in a police role. If we could just repeal posse comitatus...

It's more difficult like this...
The Republican base mostly disfavor working with Mexico but create borders.

And borders are sufficient in that it takes care of the physical crossing for the mean while, but here's what they won't see... It takes more time and money than to actually help with Mexico. After all, a wall doesn't thing or progress... but people are innovative and changing... and they can either skip or wear down a wall quick.

bahumbug...

The US is rather flippant on this type of thngs...
One hand, they view themselves as world police and spreaders of good. People who want to remove mass corruption and stuff like that. Such was the argument for Iraq (and now being used for Iran and Venezuela.)

Yet, here's a country that truly needs help with eliminateing its corruption... and the US has basically given the high and low bird in giving that help. What is more embarassing is the fact that the US, which is a first world country, is the only country to border with a third world country.

And basically, it's the Republican ideals that's hurting everyone in the long run. Yes, it would be cool that they could wait as other people. But the reality is that if the other people who came here had the ability to simply "jump over"-- they would. After all, China, Africa, Vietname, etc-- they're seperated by bodies of water and they are forced to wait.

But when the words "workers program" or "amnesity" are used-- they positively turn green. But these are better starter points to eliminate the problem.

This attitude... "It's not our problem, it's theirs..." Well-- I wish they could actually be not as flippant because we are after all in Iraq and thinking of going to other places aswell. Why not start with Mexico, who are for starters closer to this country and are more willing to recieve help? But we need to work with Mexico so that we can raise their standard of living and to raise their technology and build up their infrostucture. It's out of mind for them, but--

that's how you discourage illegal immigration in the beginning.

If we all worked together to bring this third world country to at least a second or hopefully a first world status, illegal immigrants would be as much of a problem as Canadians. There will be some, but not as much as before.

[HighlyIllogical]

At 6/8/07 04:27 PM, UWDarDar17 wrote: No. Do not repeal posse comitatus. Amend it to allow military forces to act as border patrol, and only amend to allow that. The last thing I want is to even open the possibility for the military to act as civilian police.

You've foiled my plans for domination!

But seriously, Posse is basically destroyed at this juncture. It's been screwed around with by the Insurrection act and the Disaster Mitigation Act of 2000...plus Congress could get rid of it at will, as we know so well.

Posse Comitatus is often a hinderance, and the world's changed. We should probably have a federal gendarmerie at this point...

[blznavy]

damn all they have to do is electrify the thing and put warning labels up in spanish

[troubles1]

At 6/8/07 01:46 PM, zero5225 wrote: Leave them alone There just comming here 4 a better life

And destroying our country at the same time, NO you obviously are very Nyeve, it is currently a big problem, but in a very short time it will be the downfall of America, we need to act, and do it fast. the elections this time around are very important, the people intelligent enough to have for-sight into what will happen with the Illegal immigrants in the next 20 years, MUST VOTE people into office that care about our future, and who will be very tough on ILLEGALS, IF IT TAKES MILITARY ACTION THEN SO BE IT.

ON another topic it showed the violence, drugs, and other criminal acts, that is being caused, by a MAJIORITY. also the financial burden it is causing TAX paying citizen's, we must elect Strong people to fight this plague of law breaking criminals seeking to undermine, and destroy our country.
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They have no respect for our laws, many believe our land belongs to them, we continue to outsize corporations to Mexico, because of the Money these big company's save, without benefiting our own people, our fathers , our loosing jobs they worked at there entire lives, at the same time

The Mexican Government is to corrupt to use there resources to build a economy that would establish a decent working class citizen there, so they come here, and again our people loose, it has taken years, and many hurdle's have had to be overcome to get a decent working wage for many of our people, and with this surge of Illegals all that work is being destroyed because they work for low wages, because they will live 3-10 family's in a apartment

, and send money back to Mexico were they can build homes and what have you, so the money the earn does not even go back into circulation, into our economy, at the same time they get food stamps, go to food banks, live on welfare, collect checks, get medical care for free, all wile flooding our streets with drugs, ..
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That is just a few of the thing this devastating VIRUS, we call illegal immigrant's are causing, and you are seriously in agreement with this? how , and why would you want something that is going to destroy the future for your family to be allowed? are you really that ignorant to what is going on? or are you smoking to much weed to care , or comprehend the dire situation we are facing?

[TheMason]

At 6/8/07 01:46 PM, zero5225 wrote: Leave them alone There just comming here 4 a better life

Yeah! They're just coming here to live an underground existance where if they don't learn english they're going to be at the mercy of other people to communicate for them when they have medical issues with their employer...or a wage dispute with their employer...

Yeah! Viva Second-class citizenry!

Yes America, you too can go the way of France and the Netherlands and have your very own underclass of non-assimilated immigrants who are excluded from mainstream society! Yes, in 20-50 years of stomping on their human rights you too can experience the violent riots we have seen over the past few years in Europe!

And if you say you're against illegal immigration you MUST be one of those ignorant racist hicks!

[Der-Lowe]

At 6/8/07 03:07 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 6/8/07 02:04 AM, troubles1 wrote: I sure hope so we can't catch them all with this.

That shit would catch me, I love tacos.

A better way to catch illegal immigrants:

I would fall for that.

[morefngdbs]

At 6/8/07 07:38 AM, Brick-top wrote: Why dont they just build a 50ft wall with barbed wire, flood lights, motion sensors and all round patrols.

See how easy that solution is?

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Everytime that idea comes up , its always tooo expensive.
It will take tooo long .

THe labor alone is 50% of the cost

Well why not hire the Mexicans to build the wall?
Hell, they're already coming on site looking to find work!
You can get them for less than half of minimum wage!
Let them build the 'Great Wall of America'.

Once they have the main wall built, you guy's can send in the motion detector, flood light installers of America. To do the finish work, just so them Mexicans don't know anything about your electronic sensors & lighting and stuff.

Hell, while your at it, buy them some sweaters & get them to build another wall between Canada & the U.S.

I think this could be a win , win situation for you Americans.

[Proteas]

At 6/8/07 05:31 PM, fli wrote: that's how you discourage illegal immigration in the beginning.

So long as we are exploiting the labor force of a third world nation for the percieved gain of the U.S. Economy, this will never happen. Too many people have talked themselves into believing the lie of economic gain at the cost of cheap labor, and have chosen to blind themselves to the damage it's doing to our government's spending and the money that is being sucked out of the economy.

History is repeating itself; this is pre-civil war slavery all over again. The only difference is that the price tag is higher this time around.