Will the drivers license age change

[GeneralFox7]

Do you think that the government will change the law for driving age? Right now the law is 16 do you think the law will pass to 18 years of age?

[Draconias]

I find no reason to believe so and see no reason for it to change, so obviously no. There isn't really any more substance to your post.

[UWDarDar17]

No. But many states are considering increasing the amount of time you need to have a learner's permit before you get a license. I know in Illinois they're considering bumping it up from 3 months to 9 months. I think that's good, because then young drivers have to drive in all conditions with a parent before they get to drive alone.

[slackerzac]

Someone who gets there license at the age of 18 has just the same chance of getting into an accident as some who gets it at16.

[UWDarDar17]

True, but the idea is to have more driving experience before you're allowed to get on the road by yourself. It has nothing to do with likelyhood of accidents.

[Memorize]

At 6/7/07 10:34 PM, UWDarDar17 wrote: I know in Illinois they're considering bumping it up from 3 months to 9 months. I think that's good, because then young drivers have to drive in all conditions with a parent before they get to drive alone.

That's stupid.

If kids are capable of driving even after the first week, then he/she should be able to get a license. If they're not good enough, then they will fail. They already know the rules, or else they would not have obtained a permit.

[UWDarDar17]

At 6/8/07 04:31 PM, Memorize wrote: That's stupid.

If kids are capable of driving even after the first week, then he/she should be able to get a license. If they're not good enough, then they will fail. They already know the rules, or else they would not have obtained a permit.

The issue is not whether the kid can obey traffic laws. Traffic laws are pretty simple, since most are based in common sense and must be known by every driver on the road. The issue is that in Illinois, unlike Arizona, we have a thing called seasons. Sometimes we have more than one in a day. Someone who only has their permit for 3 months will only get experience driving in one seasonal condition, two at most.

Most kids choose to get their permit in the spring or summer. What the result has been is an increasing number of winter accidents concerning young drivers, simply because they've never driven on roads covered in salt/snow/ice/slush. By increasing the time the kid needs to have a learner's permit, he or she will have to have an older person in the car through three seasons, certainly including winter.

The concern is safety in driving in less-than-perfect conditions, not traffic laws.

[Memorize]

At 6/8/07 04:43 PM, UWDarDar17 wrote:

The issue is not whether the kid can obey traffic laws. Traffic laws are pretty simple, since most are based in common sense and must be known by every driver on the road. The issue is that in Illinois, unlike Arizona, we have a thing called seasons. Sometimes we have more than one in a day.

In Arizona, you must wait 5 months after getting a permit in order to get a license.

Most kids choose to get their permit in the spring or summer. What the result has been is an increasing number of winter accidents concerning young drivers, simply because they've never driven on roads covered in salt/snow/ice/slush. By increasing the time the kid needs to have a learner's permit, he or she will have to have an older person in the car through three seasons, certainly including winter.

They were even taught about that as well.

Increasing time for a permit doesn't mean they're going to go out every time with an adult. most likely, they'll do little tedious things like going to the store to pick up some milk. Or going to friend's house. Small stuff.

Hell, not eve adults can drive in the conidtions you talk about half the time.

But, there's also this little thing teenagers do called "work", and they usually need a car for it. So unless one of their parents can stay home to pick them up from their job, what you're doing is giving them problems. And that's all you're doing.

The concern is safety in driving in less-than-perfect conditions, not traffic laws.

Too bad the only problem you have is that you seem to think they weren't taught about driving conditions either.

All these set backs in the amount of time you have to spend is nothing more than a waste.

[UWDarDar17]

At 6/8/07 04:48 PM, Memorize wrote: In Arizona, you must wait 5 months after getting a permit in order to get a license.

Then I don't see your problem with the system.

They were even taught about that as well.

Yes, but teaching someone in a classroom is no substitute for getting on the road with an experienced driver or instructor, wouldn't you agree?

Increasing time for a permit doesn't mean they're going to go out every time with an adult. most likely, they'll do little tedious things like going to the store to pick up some milk. Or going to friend's house. Small stuff.

I never said it did. But you gain experience nonetheless from these short trips. I would assume that you need the car because the store or your friend's house is not down the block. It's maybe a five or ten minute drive. That's five or ten minutes of experience. Plenty can happen.

Hell, not eve adults can drive in the conidtions you talk about half the time.

No. No they cannot. But they have driven before, and are probably a little calmer behind the wheel than a jittery 16 year old. Adults have been in accidents before and hopefully won't freak out as badly. Or they're a little quicker to swerve, or not get the 'deer in headlights' look going.

But, there's also this little thing teenagers do called "work", and they usually need a car for it. So unless one of their parents can stay home to pick them up from their job, what you're doing is giving them problems. And that's all you're doing.

In Illinois, you can start working at 16. So, after those nine months are up, go get a job. Then you have your license and you can drive yourself. If you really need to work before you get a license, find someplace close that you can walk or bike to. And yes, adults do this thing called "work" too. And some don't have cars either. How do they do it? They take the bus, or train, or other mass transport. That is the purpose of mass transportation after all.

Too bad the only problem you have is that you seem to think they weren't taught about driving conditions either.

Hi. I'm 19. I went through Driver's Ed too. Yeah, I'm well aware that they were taught about driving conditions. Yet I maintain that being taught in a classroom is not a substitute for behind-the-wheel experience.

All these set backs in the amount of time you have to spend is nothing more than a waste.

Waste of what? State resources? Your time?

[InsertFunnyUserName]

It's not likely. In fact, the trend has been that they have been increasing the age limit.

If you compare the legal driving age to the other age limitations that are set, it makes sense to not lower it. Think about it. You are in control of a four-ton piece of equipment that is traveling at 60 mile per hour only a few inches away from somebody else going 70. The smallest slip up could cost you and everyone around you their lives. Does it really make sense to put that much responsibility in the hands of a kid?

You need a certain amount of skill regarding being able to handle dangerous situations to be able to be a successful driver. I just don't think that someone in their early teens has had that much experience.

[Memorize]

At 6/8/07 05:27 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote:

You need a certain amount of skill regarding being able to handle dangerous situations to be able to be a successful driver. I just don't think that someone in their early teens has had that much experience.

Heh, in some states, because of the farmland, kids as young as 14 can obtain a license to operate one of their vehicles.

If a 14 year old is capable of doing THAT, then certainly someone doesn't have to wait an entire year just to get a license after getting a permit.

[UWDarDar17]

That vehicle you're referring to is typically a tractor.

It's big, slow, and usually nowhere near a road.

[InsertFunnyUserName]

At 6/8/07 05:35 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 6/8/07 05:27 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote:

You need a certain amount of skill regarding being able to handle dangerous situations to be able to be a successful driver. I just don't think that someone in their early teens has had that much experience.

Heh, in some states, because of the farmland, kids as young as 14 can obtain a license to operate one of their vehicles.

If a 14 year old is capable of doing THAT, then certainly someone doesn't have to wait an entire year just to get a license after getting a permit.

I think that the younger you are, the longer you should have to wait to get your permit. If your 16, maybe a month or two, 15 maybe four months. It's a sort of safety net for people who don't really have as much experience.

It's just an idea. I know that I wouldn't be ready to drive (even if I wasn't visually impared) at this age, but maybe some other people are.

[Memorize]

At 6/8/07 05:44 PM, UWDarDar17 wrote: That vehicle you're referring to is typically a tractor.

It's big, slow, and usually nowhere near a road.

*sigh* You missed the entire point completely.

It wasn't about it being different than a car. It was about how someone as young as 14 is able to drive and operate something like a tractor.

[UWDarDar17]

Dude. A tractor is not that hard to operate. It is much easier than a car.

I know the point you're trying to make. I'm saying that the two aren't alike.

It's like apples and oranges. Both are fruit, but they're still different.

[Memorize]

At 6/8/07 06:02 PM, UWDarDar17 wrote: Dude. A tractor is not that hard to operate. It is much easier than a car.

A car isn't hard to operate.

But you see, there's quite an age gap between 14 and 17.

It's like apples and oranges. Both are fruit, but they're still different.

Of course they're different. But that's not the point. I'm saying that kids are capable of doing these things without having to wait an entire year.

[TheBasics]

Most likely, because teenagers tend to get into A LOT more accidents than adults. It's only a matter of time before the government changes it. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if in 20-30 years the driving age will be 21.

[SparkPlug3]

Increasing the minimum driver's license age will not affect the fatality rate directly, and I believe that most people would disagree with this statement. The problem is not necessarily (most likely misspelled) maturity, but rather experience. The earlier one learns how to drive, the better driver they will become. Thanks to my karting past (SKUSA, IKF, WKA, and RMAX), I have 5.5 years of experience under my belt as a 17-year-old driver. Given this does not help me park, it has gotten me through some tough situations.

I am a rare case since most people won't shell up the cash to do auto-racing. That is why we need to find a way to educate young drivers early and inexpensively. I have seen simulator technology and that may be our answer. The cost of maintaining a simulator is much cheaper than maintaining a car as well as being much safer. If we could put the simulators in high schools and maybe even some middle schools, many more students would be apt to learn how to drive.

This will not happen for awhile due to our reluctancy to fund education. By keeping drivers off the road temporarily, we are just building a flood gate that will collapse in two years. That gate will be replaced by another (no driving until 21) that will break, as well. We have to teach driver's ed early if we want to prevent wrecks.

[fahrenheit]

the problem isnt the learning system, is the application system. the dmv teachers treat licenses like goodies, as long as you do a few tricks right you get it.

i know people that are horrible drivers, but they get their license because they can drive 10 minutes without going over the speed limit and know how to parallel park

[Grind29]

you can get a license at any age around the world

you can even get a license anytime you want above that certain legal age

its depends on that one person too because if you fail drivers ed then who knows

so what the hell are you talking about?

[UltraPulse]

They should bump it up to 25, so all the faggot 17 year olds and their cars can shut the fuck up.

[Dr-Worm]

At 6/7/07 10:03 PM, GeneralFox7 wrote: Do you think that the government will change the law for driving age? Right now the law is 16 do you think the law will pass to 18 years of age?

It varies from state to state, it's not a federal law. Anyways, as far as NY goes, I'm part of the last year that gets the Jr. License after 6 months instead of a whole year :) Lucky me.

[musiclove931]

when i was still in the age og 15 i can drive will and better that that 20 above. in this matter i will insist the right age of driving.

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[Shaggytheclown17]

At 6/7/07 10:03 PM, GeneralFox7 wrote: Do you think that the government will change the law for driving age? Right now the law is 16 do you think the law will pass to 18 years of age?

Hmmm, I'm 18 n I still haven't gotten my drivers license, wana know why.....
I'm afraid to drive.... just thinking about myself driving on a highly populated road.... n the next moment either I or someone else decides to swish to the side for a change after every day of driving straight n cause a collision.
Ah nvm, fuck driving.

[Christopherr]

The state of Georgia just passed legislation that forces kids to get their licenses at 17 (or 18, I don't remember which). It applies to any kid who has not gotten his permit yet.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

the age for drivers licenses is dictated individually by each state its self in minnesota at 14 you can get a permit and 16 you can get your license. in New York (like my cousin) at 18 you can get your license

[n64kid]

First off, the age for obtaining a drivers licenses depend on the state and in some cases, communities. Secondly, you need to understand that driving is not a right, but a privilege. The government can do whatever it wants as long as it builds and maintains the roads, and it has duties to act in the nation's best interest.

In fact, raising the age doesn't put off fatalities until a later age, it decreases fatalities due to a more mature driver.
Accidents happen due to not paying attention and being alert, not driving skills. A more mature person is more alert, so raising the age would increase safety.

So for you outraged bunch, the government has the right to revoke a privilege, so if the government sees raising the license to a higher age necessary, it can. Whether it does or doesn't depends solely on the state or community.

[AdamRice]

Looking back, me nor most of the people in my high school should have had their driver's license until at least the age of 18. I've seen so much bullshit with little punk ass teenagers driving recklessly.

Additionally, drivers education is hogwash. During the class, my friends and I worked together/cheated on all the tests. I didn't read any of the chapters in the drivers safety book, I merely skimmed them. Now clearly most traffic laws are based on common sense, so it wasn't too difficult to pass the tests without doing any studying for them.

The problem with written tests is that doing well on them does not translate into being a good driver. For the majority of people, becoming good at driving requires practice and time. In theory, even if you did all of the written tests perfectly without cheating, you still would not be good at driving in heavy city traffic at 5 pm when everyone is getting out of work, or navigating your car around a college campus with 45,000+ undergraduate students. This same idea applies to the adverse road conditions such as snow and freezing rain and understanding that slamming on the breaks often is not an effective way of stopping.

[pearlcafe]

I believe that an 18- year old teen has just the same chance of getting into an accident as some who is 16-year old. But I do respect their idea because what they are really thinking is for the safety of the teens.

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[Rhyolite18]

In Ireland it's grand, you start driving and usually the police don't check for licenses. It helps to get a provisional license. To get that all you have to is a few multiple choice questions. Then drive around with an L plate for the rest of your life or get a full license. The thing is, you drive to the test center and even if you fail the test, you're allowed to drive home. All this from age 16 onwards.... good times.