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I Say End The War Cause Is Not Even A War Because congress never Declare War.

At 6/8/07 02:17 PM, zero5225 wrote: I Say End The War Cause Is Not Even A War Because congress never Declare War.

Yes they did.
Also Having Every Word In Your Sentence Capitalized Is Very Ugly/Annoying To Read.

At 6/8/07 02:24 PM, SuperDeagle wrote:

At 6/8/07 02:17 PM, zero5225 wrote: I Say End The War Cause Is Not Even A War Because congress never Declare War.

Yes they did.
Also Having Every Word In Your Sentence Capitalized Is Very Ugly/Annoying To Read.

No They did'nt and dont talk about my tyiping

At 6/8/07 04:45 PM, zero5225 wrote: No They did'nt and dont talk about my tyiping

You know what your right, they didn't declare war, but you know what? They did give him permission for military action. :P

At 6/8/07 05:36 PM, SuperDeagle wrote:

At 6/8/07 04:45 PM, zero5225 wrote: No They did'nt and dont talk about my tyiping

You know what your right, they didn't declare war, but you know what? They did give him permission for military action. :P

So Its Not Even a War Its like a Battle

"[Resolved] That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons."

Sounds as good as a declaration of war to me...

america cant last another war, bout 500,000 people wiling to defend, bout 300,000,000 willing to surender

At 6/8/07 07:48 PM, zero5225 wrote:

At 6/8/07 05:36 PM, SuperDeagle wrote:

At 6/8/07 04:45 PM, zero5225 wrote: No They did'nt and dont talk about my tyiping

You know what your right, they didn't declare war, but you know what? They did give him permission for military action. :P

So Its Not Even a War Its like a Battle

I would call it simply an Operation, but yes highlyillogical has a point.

At 6/8/07 08:24 PM, HighlyIllogical wrote: "[Resolved] That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons."

Sounds as good as a declaration of war to me...

No Because The language of Article I, section 8, is quite clear: only Congress has the authority to declare war.

At 6/8/07 10:48 PM, zero5225 wrote:

No Because The language of Article I, section 8, is quite clear: only Congress has the authority to declare war.

We haven't declared war since WWII.

Everything else has been Military Operations approved by congress.

At 6/7/07 09:42 PM, TheMason wrote: Actually, the Cuban Missile Crisis is now considered by many students of military history and international relations to have been a dangerous escalation that was not necessary and that we barely avoided nuclear anihilation because of his recklessness.

Reckless? I respect JFK so much for what he did then. It is damn easy to sit here 40 years after the fact and say how close we got to war. Yes, it was fucking close as hell. But he showed the Russians the Americans were not a weak power that is going to roll over and let them pull one on us like that. It showed the Russians we are not to be fucked with. I dont believe this in every instance for internatinal relations, but the saying "Give them an inch, they will take a yard" comes immediately to mind. JFK made the incredibly hard decision, which that was the correct one, and for that I respect the man tremendously.

It comes to no suprise to me that SALT I and the NNPT were signed shortly (relatively) after the nuclear scare caused by the Cuban Missle Crisis. The Russians and Americans both realized that they were not tools that could be used against eachother to further their power. JFK made the right move and Kruschev saved everyone by not escalating.

At 6/7/07 04:34 PM, SouthAsian wrote: I really wish there were people like you on the world stage to expose America and its zionist run criminal government.

He doesnt know what he is talking about. All he presents are half truths, overexaggerations, and mischaracterizations.

Dont get me wrong, there are plenty of legitimate reasons to bash Israel. I for one abhor the unlimited support given to them by the American government. But a fanatical hatred that puts nothing in context is down right ignorant.

At 6/7/07 02:58 PM, ultrabitch wrote: Hell, in WW1 even Germany tried to look like they were the good guys by saying they were invaded first.

Wrong war.

At 6/7/07 02:43 PM, ultrabitch wrote: Except that Saudi Arabia would fucking KICK the USA's ass, especially playing on home turf.

The Saudi government has poured, quite literally, money into defense. Sadly, they have developed no home arms industry to speak of and do not have much of a military presence. They even have to employ foreign nationals, if I remember correctly, to fill there ranks and had little patriotism for their country before the Iraq invasion of Kuwait.

Which is why the Saudi state is so dependent on the USA for protection and defense. We protect the Saudi state and keep the Sauds in power, they give us oil and try to stay out of our business. I can promise you that if the Saud's thought they could stand on their own, they would. It is incredibly unpopular in Saudia Arabia to have standing American bases there and bases that have been filled with American troops at the drop of a hat. It illigitimizes the Saudi state and Saud rule, something tyhe Saud's dislike, but a tradeoff they have to make to remain in power and remain prosperous.

At 6/8/07 11:44 PM, Demosthenez wrote: Reckless? I respect JFK so much for what he did then. It is damn easy to sit here 40 years after the fact and say how close we got to war. ...

Meh...just reporting discussions I've had with other military professionals and students of military history/studies. There is a growing consensus that Kennedy handled the Cuban missile crisis badly in both the IR and PR areanas...

At 6/8/07 10:48 PM, zero5225 wrote:

At 6/8/07 08:24 PM, HighlyIllogical wrote:

:: : Sounds as good as a declaration of war to me...

No Because The language of Article I, section 8, is quite clear: only Congress has the authority to declare war.

All I have to say is while Senators, Academics and 14yos debate what war is; soldiers, marines, sailors and airmen are over there fighting and bleeding. In the end only they know what war is...

At 6/8/07 11:44 PM, Demosthenez wrote: He doesnt know what he is talking about.

LOL.

All he presents are half truths,

Half-truths backed by sources?

overexaggerations,

Maybe; maybe not; it still won't make what I have previously stated any less true.

and mischaracterizations.

LOL.

Dont get me wrong, there are plenty of legitimate reasons to bash Israel. I for one abhor the unlimited support given to them by the American government.

You just contradicted what you wrote earlier on.

You accuse me of having no idea as to what I am talking about and then you flip-flop and state that there are legitimate reasons (which I have presented in the past) to bash Israel.

But a fanatical hatred

There's nothing wrong with hatred provided said hatred is directed toward hateful things.

that puts nothing in context is down right ignorant.

LOL.

At 6/8/07 08:24 PM, HighlyIllogical wrote: "[Resolved] That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons."

Sounds as good as a declaration of war to me...

That doesn't even sound close to a declaration of war. That's just permission to inflict war on any nation, organization or person Bush decides deserves it.

Reposting! My GS post..

I seriously doubt they CAN invade Iran. First of because of capacity, second that people are getting tired of war, third is that they will halt oil production in Iran which will have an effect in the West and fourth it would be 3rd Arabic country they will invade. Not exactly good PR.

Bombing of nuclear facilities might be an option. However, if it turns out that all of this WAS intended for peaceful use it might not look so good for the Americans.

At 6/8/07 10:48 PM, zero5225 wrote:

No Because...

Congress passed this joint resolution.

At 6/8/07 11:44 PM, Demosthenez wrote:

Reckless? I respect JFK so much for what he did then.

JFK made a brilliant move. Ballsy, too. He made sure that the Kennedy legacy of appeasement at Munich ended.

At 6/9/07 09:10 PM, HighlyIllogical wrote:

JFK made a brilliant move.

Brilliant?

Let's take a look at his legacy. We used to be able to:

-Do whatever we with wish Cuba.

Due to his fuck up, we now:
-Are unable to do shit to Cuba.

Because of him, we had missles pointed in our direction in Cuba. Brilliant? BRILLIANT??