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Its their laws. I did a capital punishment topic in my moral issues sylabus for my humanities GCSE and that is how the karan says the laws should be.
Hell if the Bible said that we should chop theives hands off we would most likely do it!
Also the harsh sentences do not put people off its because they believe that Allah is all seeing. Also it is against the karans teachings to execute people without a fair trial so we can be sure this will have happened.
Its not the western world over there... it is their own customs and traditions, and we should not think that everybody should live in the exact same way that we we do.

At 6/6/07 09:48 AM, Memorize wrote:

At 6/6/07 08:18 AM, Svoboda wrote:

this is barbary !

No! This is genius!

In fact, we should do it here in the US. Those idiots who comitt adultery should probly die. Why should I care over their deaths?

Of course you wouldn't need to worry about dying like that--
For starters, you need to be married one day... and the second part is having sex.

I think you'll be safe for mass infidelity executions...

At 6/6/07 04:52 PM, fli wrote:

Of course you wouldn't need to worry about dying like that--

Of course I wouldn't. I have self control which makes me better than these idiots.

I think people making sex so mainstream is a bad thing.
It creates things like this.

At 6/6/07 04:50 PM, gijfef wrote: Hell if the Bible said that we should chop theives hands off we would most likely do it!

Good point, and it does say that we are supposed to "deal with" adulterers and homosexuals harshly, and it also states that you should kill someone who strikes or disrespects his/her parents...yet this wasn't done and is not done. Why? Back in the day, for one, the Sanhedring really did not inflict these kinds of overly severe punishments...and, of course, our culture has developed so that we don't do these cruel things...

At 6/6/07 04:50 PM, gijfef wrote: Its their laws. I did a capital punishment topic in my moral issues sylabus for my humanities GCSE and that is how the karan says the laws should be.
Hell if the Bible said that we should chop theives hands off we would most likely do it!

No we wouldn't. The bible says about stoning people do death, but we don't do that. It's because we've moved on a little over two thousand years.

Also the harsh sentences do not put people off its because they believe that Allah is all seeing. Also it is against the karans teachings to execute people without a fair trial so we can be sure this will have happened.

Yep, because we all know religious hypocricy never happens. Islamic countries like Pakistan are well known as bastions of human rights and would never go for unfair trials or anything like that. Oh wait, you're talking absolute shit. Lots and lots of shit. Here's some more. And some more acts by these wonderful, civilised people. OK, I'm getting bored with that now.

Its not the western world over there... it is their own customs and traditions, and we should not think that everybody should live in the exact same way that we we do.

Well I'll agree there's nothing we can do about it. They're a sovereign country so what goes on in their borders is nothing we can stop. But it shows us all just how primitive and uncivilised these people are. It's also a precautionary tale and shows us that we should not tolerate backward tribal practices from immigrants within our own borders.

You're probably one of two things. Either you're a muslim who approves of this sort of thing or you're just another pathetic cultural relativist who would be an apologist for child sacrifice if the Aztecs still existed.

At 6/7/07 12:51 PM, Loch-Ness-Monster wrote:

At 6/6/07 04:50 PM, gijfef wrote:

You're probably one of two things. Either you're a muslim who approves of this sort of thing or you're just another pathetic cultural relativist who would be an apologist for child sacrifice if the Aztecs still existed.

cheers for the love dude and im not any of those two things. Seriosely im just trying to make a point. And child sacrifices are nasty and i wouldnt agree with them if they still exist!
I think there comes a point when you have to draw a line. Sure, Pakistan has bad human rights we probably all know about this. But also they also would follow the karan up Mohammeds arse so i think they would have had a trial at least. (no offence to anybody about that its just a figure of speach)

At 6/6/07 08:18 AM, Svoboda wrote: A woman and three men were shot dead in a public execution in a Pakistani village after tribal elders found them guilty of adultery, officials said.

Good riddance.

At 6/6/07 04:53 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 6/6/07 04:52 PM, fli wrote:

Of course you wouldn't need to worry about dying like that--

Of course I wouldn't. I have self control which makes me better than these idiots.

It's not called "self control," it's called "getting shot out of the saddle."

At 6/6/07 04:53 PM, Memorize wrote: Of course I wouldn't. I have self control which makes me better than these idiots.

Why is it you trust tribal 'justice' so much? These places near the Afghan border are primitive societies (Think Taliban) and idea of a fair trial is nowhere near that of the more civilised areas of Pakistan, let alone being up to the standard of any western nation. Seems to me that in an area like that all it would take is the local tribal elder to think you looked at his wife or daughter the wrong way and before you know it you're up on some trumped up adultery charge without a leg to stand on.

Even in Pakistan, tribal justice is sort of in limbo. It's banned, but no one cares to enforce it.

At 6/8/07 01:59 PM, Elfer wrote:

It's not called "self control," it's called "getting shot out of the saddle."

Haha, if you say so drug boy.

At 6/8/07 07:38 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 6/8/07 01:59 PM, Elfer wrote:

It's not called "self control," it's called "getting shot out of the saddle."

Haha, if you say so drug boy.

Yep. Sex, drugs, and rock and roll, yet I still manage to be a dean's scholar in my university's applied science program.

It's a shame you don't have the competence or focus to be someone like me.

Remember guys, as long as its not happening to a poor, black American guy, it's a-okay!

At 6/9/07 06:48 AM, Elfer wrote:

It's a shame you don't have the competence or focus to be someone like me.

I'm not one to sell drugs in order to get my position.

At 6/6/07 04:53 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 6/6/07 04:52 PM, fli wrote:

Of course you wouldn't need to worry about dying like that--

Of course I wouldn't. I have self control which makes me better than these idiots.

Your statement , on how self control somehow makes you better, in fact lessens you & your religious beliefs. To what they truely are.
Just as this heinous act , for no good reason, points out how stupid people can become by believing they are doing 'god's will'
A stupid exercise in control, by a religious group who's only ability to control, is through fear and brutality.
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Sometimes I weep inside at the stupidity that mankind inflicts apon his fellow man.

It is one thing to take the life of a proven murderer , as punishment as proscribed by a 'lawful' court of the land.
For a group of so called elders, to take the lives of 4 people who's only crime was a consenting sex act between adults, is a monsterous injustice.

Those of you who condone it, are no better than they are.

At 6/6/07 11:07 AM, K-RadPie wrote: Did I mention how low the crime rates are in those countries thanks to such harsh punishments?

Yes, but we, unfortunatly, are unable to sucessfully combine harsh punishments with Freedom of speech and the ability to whine, as well as the concept of innocent untill proven guilty, and the concept of, criminals are actually innocent.

The middle east is based off of arabic law, the western world is based on roman law, the 2 can't co-exist togeather.

something called islam

At 6/10/07 10:24 AM, morefngdbs wrote:

Just as this heinous act , for no good reason, points out how stupid people can become by believing they are doing 'god's will'

In short:

Comitting a cold act of murder on an innocent is = comitting an act of murder on a murderer.

I think that's sooo F-d up.Cuz it's norm apparently for women to get killed for that kind of stuff,but if guys do it they get to live.All they have to do is pay some money.

At 6/9/07 11:19 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 6/9/07 06:48 AM, Elfer wrote:

It's a shame you don't have the competence or focus to be someone like me.

I'm not one to sell drugs in order to get my position.

What a coincidence, neither am I.

At 6/10/07 10:36 PM, Elfer wrote:

What a coincidence, neither am I.

C'mon. Quite being a politician.

At 6/10/07 10:46 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 6/10/07 10:36 PM, Elfer wrote:

What a coincidence, neither am I.

C'mon. Quite being a politician.

Psh, you're the one making false drug dealing accusations, then somehow claiming it relates to my academic standing?

At 6/11/07 07:25 AM, Elfer wrote:

Psh, you're the one making false drug dealing accusations, then somehow claiming it relates to my academic standing?

False accusations?

Reminds me of: "It's not called "self control," it's called "getting shot out of the saddle."

Huh, interesting.

I am arbitrarily deciding that your false accustions are far worse than mine.

Mostly because yours are off-topic. Mine were at least related to your crazy theories on how the government should be handing out death penalties for consensual adult behaviour.

At 6/11/07 02:41 PM, Elfer wrote: I am arbitrarily deciding that your false accustions are far worse than mine.

Sure, but I didn't start it.

Mostly because yours are off-topic. Mine were at least related to your crazy theories on how the government should be handing out death penalties for consensual adult behaviour.

No. Once again you made a "false accusation". Well, that's 2 for you, 1 for me. But since mine was "worse", I guess you can call it even.

Why are you getting on to me about the death penalty for adult behavior? I personally couldn't care less about people who are incapable of being comitted to 1 person in their lives, but instead go around screwing whoever they can find. They're nothing but a drain. A black spot on society that needs to be washed out.

I'm not saying that they should die. I'm asking "why should I care?". They're weak. Pathetic nothings that deserve no place in society.

What i'm saying is that although they may not deserve death, it's actually better than allowing them to keep living doing whatever they please.

At 6/11/07 03:55 PM, Memorize wrote: What i'm saying is that although they may not deserve death, it's actually better than allowing them to keep living doing whatever they please.

Explain how people engaging in consensual adult behaviour is worse than people dying.

Essentially, this statement boils down to "The contributions of fornicators to society over history is insignificant at best."

At 6/11/07 04:08 PM, Elfer wrote:

Explain how people engaging in consensual adult behaviour is worse than people dying.

oooo, another false accusation.

I didn't say that adult behavior is worse than dying. I'm saying it would be better for the rest of society if those types of people didn't exist. So if they do die, why should I care about it if all it does is create a positive for everyone else?

At 6/11/07 04:14 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 6/11/07 04:08 PM, Elfer wrote:

Explain how people engaging in consensual adult behaviour is worse than people dying.

oooo, another false accusation.

I didn't say that adult behavior is worse than dying. I'm saying it would be better for the rest of society if those types of people didn't exist.

Do you not see how those statements are equivalent? You said that these people dying is better than allowing them to continue having sex.

So if they do die, why should I care about it if all it does is create a positive for everyone else?

Ok, let's say for a moment here that there's some guy named Jeeves. Jeeves was much beloved by his family and friends, and he contributed much to society through philantropy and volunteer work. He also saves a cute baby otter from a plastic beer can holder every single weekend, then nurses it back to health before releasing it into the ocean, before turning away and shedding a single, bittersweet tear. He then goes home, at which point he and his girlfriend hold each other and watch the sunset, then fall asleep.

Then Jeeves gets hit by a car and dies.

His family is sad. His girlfriend weeps and is impossible to console. Otters die a horrible suffocating death, and underpriveleged children are deprived of textbooks and snug winter jackets to wear to school. Research on the medicines he was developing at work is set back by a few years.

But what you're claiming is that this is outweighed by the fact that he's not having premarital sex any more, so nobody should really be sad about it.

What the fuck, dog.