using bible to argue about gays

[psycho-squirrel]

you know those people. "homosexuality isnt right, it says so in the bible"
well it also says to not over eat you fat bitch. now get in the kitchen, the bible says women are less then men!

then they turn and say that those parts are old.
the whole bible is old! you can pick and choose what to follow. you follow it all, or none at all.

then they say marriage is holy, god doesnt want same sex marriage.
well guess what, god doesnt want us to idolise false gods, but we do. hollywood is full of false gods we idolize.
the 7 sins, wrath, sloth, envy, pride, lust, glutony, and greed? they are daily hobbies.
wrath- we hate those who are different like the gays
sloth- watch tv all day
envy- we want to be like those in the magazines
pride- we constantly tell others we are the greatest country ever
lust- we date not for love but for lust and sex
glutony- McDonald's
greed- we buy tv's, videogames but wont spare even a dime to a homeless man.

i rest my case

[KingRugger]

I agree partially with what your saying but cmon, your taking the sins thing a bit extremely. Going to MacDonalds isnt Gluttony...its getting food. Not that i follow the commandents or anything, i just dont think its a "sin" to go to fast food places or enjoy a day of sitting on your ass watching telly.

[Enoll]

It doesn't even say half those things in the bible.

[SyntheticTacos]

At 6/5/07 07:14 AM, psycho-squirrel wrote: you know those people. "homosexuality isnt right, it says so in the bible"
well it also says to not over eat you fat bitch. now get in the kitchen, the bible says women are less then men!

then they turn and say that those parts are old.
the whole bible is old! you can pick and choose what to follow. you follow it all, or none at all.

then they say marriage is holy, god doesnt want same sex marriage.
well guess what, god doesnt want us to idolise false gods, but we do. hollywood is full of false gods we idolize.
the 7 sins, wrath, sloth, envy, pride, lust, glutony, and greed? they are daily hobbies.
wrath- we hate those who are different like the gays
sloth- watch tv all day
envy- we want to be like those in the magazines
pride- we constantly tell others we are the greatest country ever
lust- we date not for love but for lust and sex
glutony- McDonald's
greed- we buy tv's, videogames but wont spare even a dime to a homeless man.

i rest my case

Okay, you need to fact check a bit. The Seven Deadly sins are NOT from the Bible; they are from early Christian teachings from the Roman Catholic Church. The sins you're talking about were listed by Pope Gregory the Great in the 6th century, which is considerably well before the King James version of the Bible was compiled but still not part of the actual Bible. It would also help to cite your passages. I am not a Christian but when I argue against the using of the Bible as a means to propagate bigotry against homosexuals, It helps to actually cite the passages you're talking about.

I agree that using the passage from Leviticus (Lev. 18:22) is ridiculous; considering the other things said in the chapters around it (like in Lev. 19:27 forbidding rounding the edges of your beard/head).

[ultrabitch]

Levictus has some of the stupidest requirements - like how it's evil to eat seafood that isn't fish. That involves things like shrimp, lobsters, crab and all that. Then again, isn't that part of Kosher?

There's also stuff about stoning a woman who commits an affair - even if she was raped.

Lev is full of bullshit about "I want to have control over people. Therefore I'll tell them that if they do some crazy but normal stuff they'll go to hell. If they obey, I can get all their money and control them!"

[psycho-squirrel]

At 6/5/07 07:59 AM, KingRugger wrote: I agree partially with what your saying but cmon, your taking the sins thing a bit extremely. Going to MacDonalds isnt Gluttony...its getting food. Not that i follow the commandents or anything, i just dont think its a "sin" to go to fast food places or enjoy a day of sitting on your ass watching telly.

when i said McDonald's, it was meaning all those fat people who get that way because they eat too much fast food

[Brick-top]

I can see what you are trying to do. But you are making a piss poor attempt to get it across. Yes, people will interpret the Bible in a way they see fit. Things can seem metaphorical, or literal. And some parts of the Bible that modern day has changed its views are forgotten.

But hey, its religion. It doesn’t have to be exact or accurate.

[poxpower]

My theory is that most of the bible is filled with mutton recipes, but then no one would know because I'm pretty sure no one has ever read the whole fucking thing.

Let's just stick to the 10 commandments and use that to flame each other, because seriously, no one reads that thing, ever. The best people come up with is random quotes from random places in the book that some crazed zealot put on his website about child porn/ vegetarians/ abortions

[JakeHero]

At 6/5/07 09:28 AM, ultrabitch wrote: Levictus has some of the stupidest requirements - like how it's evil to eat seafood that isn't fish. That involves things like shrimp, lobsters, crab and all that. Then again, isn't that part of Kosher?

Back then they didn't have many treatments for food poisoning. And guess what? Seafood typically is more likely to cause someone a gastrological illness.

There's also stuff about stoning a woman who commits an affair - even if she was raped.

It does say stone a woman who commits adultery, but where does it say to still do so if she is raped? Besides, if my wife cheated on me I'd pretty much be in favor of stoning her, oh, another problem, it also states a man can be put to death for adultery. Why did you only mention the part about the female, you a feminist?

Lev is full of bullshit about "I want to have control over people. Therefore I'll tell them that if they do some crazy but normal stuff they'll go to hell. If they obey, I can get all their money and control them!"

You're an idiot. :/

[Altarus]

At 6/5/07 07:14 AM, psycho-squirrel wrote: you know those people. "homosexuality isnt right, it says so in the bible"
well it also says to not over eat you fat bitch. now get in the kitchen, the bible says women are less then men!

then they turn and say that those parts are old.
the whole bible is old! you can pick and choose what to follow. you follow it all, or none at all.

No one refuses to follow a part of the Bible simply because it is "old." For example, they might say

1) some statements in the Bible assume cultural norms that, when absent, do not apply
2) some verses, when viewed in context or in their original language, yield a different meaning than that which some interpretations claim
3) parts of the Old Testament may not apply due to the fact that God abolished some laws in the New Testament

However, until you provide verse references, a proper rebuttal is impossible.

then they say marriage is holy, god doesnt want same sex marriage.
well guess what, god doesnt want us to idolise false gods, but we do. hollywood is full of false gods we idolize.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacie s#Example_2:_Verbal_Fallacy

the 7 sins, wrath, sloth, envy, pride, lust, glutony, and greed? they are daily hobbies.
wrath- we hate those who are different like the gays
sloth- watch tv all day
envy- we want to be like those in the magazines
pride- we constantly tell others we are the greatest country ever
lust- we date not for love but for lust and sex
glutony- McDonald's
greed- we buy tv's, videogames but wont spare even a dime to a homeless man.

According to you, all Christians hate gays, date for sex, and neglect homeless people. You might find this article interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

[Altarus]

At 6/5/07 03:51 PM, Altarus wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacie s#Example_2:_Verbal_Fallacy

Newgrounds butchered my link for some reason. This link should work.

[HighlyIllogical]

Your analysis is no better than those who advocate using the Bible to oppose homosexuality...

The Bible is something to, perhaps, consider, but it shouldn't be applied to everything verbatim.

[troubles1]

At 6/5/07 07:14 AM, psycho-squirrel wrote:homeless man.

i rest my case

You had no case to rest just a bunch of crap you claim you understand but obviously are unable to.

[ForkRobotik]

At 6/5/07 03:35 PM, JakeHero wrote: It does say stone a woman who commits adultery, but where does it say to still do so if she is raped? Besides, if my wife cheated on me I'd pretty much be in favor of stoning her, oh, another problem, it also states a man can be put to death for adultery. Why did you only mention the part about the female, you a feminist?

Does anyone else find it seriously fucked up that this guy supports murdering someone for cheating on their spouse?!!

On topic: who gives a shit what the bible says? It shouldn't be used to debate against crazy christian views, simply because it's all based on interpretation(which is why christians themselves can't even get the "rules" straight). The only way to fight christian prejudice is to enlighten the christians that you know against their hatred of minorities who aren't present to defend themselves. The crazy hick bastards on this forum don't give a shit what you think, and while they preach "freedumb and demockery" all day long, they also have a hidden agenda to attack anyone that doesn't agree with them, because they actually hate freedom and democracy, and are consumed in their own pride and prejudice. Otherwise they would not seek to infringe on minority equal rights.
Christians attack jews for thousands of years, now the state has transferred their misgivings onto others, like mexicans and gays.

[JakeHero]

At 6/5/07 07:42 PM, ForkRobotik wrote: Does anyone else find it seriously fucked up that this guy supports murdering someone for cheating on their spouse?!!

I was being facetious, jackass.

[notld224]

At 6/5/07 09:28 AM, ultrabitch wrote: Levictus has some of the stupidest requirements - like how it's evil to eat seafood that isn't fish. That involves things like shrimp, lobsters, crab and all that. Then again, isn't that part of Kosher?

There's also stuff about stoning a woman who commits an affair - even if she was raped.

Lev is full of bullshit about "I want to have control over people. Therefore I'll tell them that if they do some crazy but normal stuff they'll go to hell. If they obey, I can get all their money and control them!"

Here's some info.

A. Leviticus is mostly the old testament, A.K.A. Judaims. And yes, Jews have their kosher laws about eating and slaughtering, so do many other cultures and religions.

B. The part about stoning women, the passage is as spoken. If she was raped in the field, she is considered innocent, because no one could hear her if she screamed. If she was raped in a crowded, she should've screamed (This logic is flawed in the sense that the rapist could have a knife against her throat. And thus I'm an Atheist because of flawed logic like this).

C. Christian's mostly believe in Hell, in Judaism, there's a place called Gehenna, common belief now among those who believe in it is A. you go for seven months and your soul is purified. B. you're so evil your soul is destroyed....

But whatnot... I think the whole 'bible hates gays, we hate gays, teh gheys r sin' is a load of bigoted bullshit that creates no peace and justice for the world. Only 'righteous hate'. But I guess going to Synagogue with my parents for 13 years before choosing Atheism wasn't such a bad idea after all, I at least know fact from fiction about the religion and can dispel misinterpretations etc.

[notld224]

At 6/5/07 03:51 PM, Altarus wrote:

No one refuses to follow a part of the Bible simply because it is "old." For example, they might say

Nah, they just pick and choose and misinterpret the old Testament as needed in order to create 'likable' rules.

Fact (Bigoted, maybe... funny, no) Christian's stole the bible from the Jews and did shit to it, than 'discovered' a WHOLE NEW SECTION of the bible to allow them to be total jackasses (Think medieval jew burnings etc.... but whatever.)

[SolInvictus]

At 6/5/07 07:53 PM, notld224 wrote: than 'discovered' a WHOLE NEW SECTION of the bible to allow them to be total jackasses (Think medieval jew burnings etc.... but whatever.)

i'm going to have to question your knowledge of history.

[Altarus]

At 6/5/07 07:53 PM, notld224 wrote: Nah, they just pick and choose and misinterpret the old Testament as needed in order to create 'likable' rules.

You need to provide an example to prove your point. Right now, your argument is tantamount to argumentum ad hominem.

Fact (Bigoted, maybe... funny, no) Christian's stole the bible from the Jews and did shit to it, than 'discovered' a WHOLE NEW SECTION of the bible to allow them to be total jackasses (Think medieval jew burnings etc.... but whatever.)

Provide arguments, explanations, and sources please.

[InsertFunnyUserName]

At 6/5/07 07:14 AM, psycho-squirrel wrote: you know those people. "homosexuality isnt right, it says so in the bible"

It actually doesn't. It says that it is a sin when a man lies with another man in the English translation of the bible. Whether that be an interpretation of homosexuallity or not is up to your own interpretation.

Also, there was not a word for "homosexualltiy" in the origanal language that the bible was writen in.

well it also says to not over eat you fat bitch. now get in the kitchen, the bible says women are less then men!

then they turn and say that those parts are old.
the whole bible is old! you can pick and choose what to follow. you follow it all, or none at all.

The bible says a lot of things. Most are not literal, and the rest are just social norms that existed back when the bible was writen.

Besides, I highly doubt that people back then knew that homosexuallity wasn't something you chose to be. They were probibly just persecuting people for doing things that they thought were "wrong" and "sinful".

then they say marriage is holy, god doesnt want same sex marriage.
well guess what, god doesnt want us to idolise false gods, but we do. hollywood is full of false gods we idolize.
the 7 sins, wrath, sloth, envy, pride, lust, glutony, and greed? they are daily hobbies.
wrath- we hate those who are different like the gays
sloth- watch tv all day
envy- we want to be like those in the magazines
pride- we constantly tell others we are the greatest country ever
lust- we date not for love but for lust and sex
glutony- McDonald's
greed- we buy tv's, videogames but wont spare even a dime to a homeless man.

The seven holy sins aren't part of the bible, but I see your point.

Even though you really didn't make your case very well, I agree with your origanal intentions. Society can't just pick and choose which rules to follow and then disregard the rest. We either have to follow all of them or none of them.

In addition, one religion shouldn't be the guidline for an entire nation. People say that this country was founded on Christianity, but it was also founded on having slaves do all your work and women being property of men.

Also, seperation of church and state goes both ways. The Cathelic church can not build the laws for this country if this country can't build the laws for the Chathelic church. If a certain church does not want to marry gays, than they should be allowed the power to deny them. But they should not be allowed impose the same laws unpon people who believe differently.

. . .

I would also like to point out that it is not the entirety of the Christian faith that is inposing this "us and them" kind of thinking onto the sedimentation of marriage. Many branches of the faith openly accept gays and lesbians. It is only the stricter, more orthedox Christian branches that believe so strongly as to who can do what.

[CommanderDick]

At 6/5/07 10:57 AM, TomsPulp wrote: who cares what gai people do? are you like jealous or sum thing?????

see, thats what i think all the people hate them for....

I disagree, people hate them because they are an ABOMINATION TO SOCIETY.
If god wanted you to like men then he would have made you a woman, or to all you atheists out there if you were meant to like men then you would be a woman, and the same goes for the lesbians to.
Although i dont mind the hot ones :)

[WilliWowza]

It's easy to hate, so if the bible even hints towards prejudice against an entire group of people, people would rather latch onto that try to better themselves. When people have empty lives, they'll sometimes use religion as their meaning and purpose.

[Gwendalin69]

I've always ben cautious when it omes to the bible and basically it talks alot of crap. But I do respect why people follow it anyway.
P.S Don't want to brag, but the only one of those sins I'm guilty of is gluttony (no I'm not fat but I love to eat)

[TehChahlesh]

I like how you say the opposing side's arguments for them. But then you say "no I didn't!" But guess what? You did.

[XxshogunxX]

You make a strong argument and i personally dont give a shit wheter gays marry or not but gluttony isn't mcdonalds its mcdondals more than 1 once a week or even just 1oonce a week for that matter also homeless people dont deserve much, i agree some do but the ones who are perfectly able bodied and choose not to work should be taken out of society

[ultrabitch]

If homosexuality is a sin, those gay people (and bis) I know are all going to hell. Whether there's a law against them marrying or not.

[gijfef]

Rofl!
btw there is also substantial evidence that the last book of the bibble (revelations methinks) was written by a magic mushrooms addict on crete. (yes they did have shroomies back then)

[InsertFunnyUserName]

At 6/7/07 07:38 AM, CommanderDick wrote:

At 6/5/07 10:57 AM, TomsPulp wrote: who cares what gai people do? are you like jealous or sum thing?????

see, thats what i think all the people hate them for....

I disagree, people hate them because they are an ABOMINATION TO SOCIETY.
If god wanted you to like men then he would have made you a woman, or to all you atheists out there if you were meant to like men then you would be a woman, and the same goes for the lesbians to.
Although i dont mind the hot ones :)

Following the same thinking, if God had wanted someone to be strait, he would have made them like women. I'd like to point out - again - that being gay is not a choice.

If God doesn't make mistakes, than he intended for gays to be gays and lesbians to be lesbians. If you say differently, than are you implying that God is flawed?

[blznavy]

i never read the bible i just use it to defend myself against the darkforces that want to kill me